[MtFuji] Safe shut down method
keiji_katata at post.pioneer.co.jp
keiji_katata at post.pioneer.co.jp
Wed Sep 14 00:34:58 PDT 2011
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Here is my answer to your questions.
a. Yes, it will always happen after power on with a disc.
After 6/29/00 Unit Attention POWER ON, RESET, OR BUS DEVICE RESET OCCURRED
reporting, drive will check a disc in the drive. When the drive finds a disc
becomes ready condition, the drive shall report 6/28/00 Unit Attention NOT
TO READY CHANGE, MEDIUM MAY HAVE CHANGED and NewMedia Event.
Please think about "Power off". Drive did not know anything during "Power
So "while the drive was powered off" what do you want?
b. No, it is not a boundary condition.
In the case of DVD-ROM or BD-ROM, it will continue 10 sec. - 15 sec. In the
of DVD-RAM or BD-RE, it will continue 30 sec. - 60 sec. In the case of CD-R
multi-session, it will continue 30 sec. - 60 sec.
Well... you wrote "since the host OS already has to handle having media in
drive on a subsequent power-on",
what plan do you have for this "since"?
As a table that I wrote in the meeting minutes, the information (context)
will be lost by power off are different between "with disc" and "without
"without disc" host will not lose any information between power off and on by
the current ZPODD. Because the embedded device to the system will not be
"with disc" host will lose a volume (disc), files or data of a file on the
between power off and on by such ZPODD. Any information in the host shall be
refreshed by the 6/28/00 Unit Attention NOT READY TO READY CHANGE, MEDIUM MAY
HAVE CHANGED and/or NewMedia Event. Because user can change them during power
off of drive.
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If these questions are framed in response to my inquiry about proper system
shutdown when media is present then these problems are not an issue since the
host OS already has to handle having media in the drive on a subsequent
power-on. My previous inquiry to this condition was specific to how the
or drive would not be damaged in this case since comments were made at
Mt.Fuji meetings that indicated there was an issue with media or drive
At the August 2011 meeting the issue was framed as an issue of data loss, not
media or drive damage. My first inquiry is to determine the proper shutdown
procedures necessary for the drive when media is present.
If the questions are relative to a S4/Hibernation then the OS also has the
responsibility of handling new media being changed or inserted while the
was powered off using the emergency eject mechanism, and this case is also
currently handled by the OS. The shutdown issue is similar to that
in the system shutdown paragraph shown above.
The unique case is if the system is running and the drive is powered off and
then back on at some later time. In this case it would be the host OS
responsibility to handle the device becoming ready, which means being ready
handle items 2 and 3 that are listed below. For ZPODD without media the OS
already has to handle the Unit Attention indicating " LOGICAL UNIT IS IN
OF BECOMING READY", so extending this to media present would be trivial.
This subject brings up two related questions for Mt.Fuji:
a. Would the Unit Attention indicating "NOT READY TO READY CHANGE, MEDIUM MAY
HAVE CHANGED" only happen when medium was changed while the drive was powered
off, or will it always happen?
b. Is the stated "1 minutes length to be ready with the installed disk" a
boundary condition? I don't believe Intel has seen the device come ready in
that long of period of time. If this is more common than what Intel has
observed then we'd need to establish a minimum detection period on power-on
media is present.
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Subject: [MtFuji] Safe shut down method
Hello Michael and all,
I have question to you about following action item in meeting minutes;
Action Item 12.4: Members will send opinion about Safe shut down method by
When host turn off the drive power that has a disc, host will have following
During power off,
1. User may change the disc in the drive by emergency eject mechanism.
At the power resume,
2. drive will report 2/04/01 Not Ready LOGICAL UNIT IS IN PROCESS OF BECOMING
READY about 1 minutes length to be ready with the installed disc.
3. drive will report 6/28/00 Unit Attention NOT READY TO READY CHANGE, MEDIUM
MAY HAVE CHANGED and NewMedia Event.
If you have a good idea to deal with these problems, please let me know.
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