Full blank stop for HD DVD-RW

Garrett Jacobson Garrett.Jacobson at microsoft.com
Fri Jul 27 16:54:16 PDT 2007

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* Garrett Jacobson <Garrett.Jacobson at microsoft.com>
Hello Kimura-san and Mr. Van Hove,
Microsoft is not concerned about a disc that has a partial file system
after a cancelled full blank command.  
In fact, we much prefer this to the alternate scenario where a disc that
was being fully blanked was cancelled and the disc state is blank but
the data was not actually erased.  This creates a more confusing
experience for the user and is difficult for the host to deal with.  The
most important thing from our point of view is that the state of the
disc as reported by the drive is consistent with the physical state of
the disc...and in a cancellation case, it has not been blanked yet.
Best Regards,
Garrett Jacobson
Microsoft, Corp.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com
[mailto:owner-mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com] On Behalf Of Peter Van Hove
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:22 AM
To: t10 at t10.org; mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com
Subject: Re: Full blank stop for HD DVD-RW
My input if I may.
>From a data recovery standpoint this is not a bad thing.
A user may hit the blank button and then come to the conclusion that
the wrong disc.  Being able to interrupt blanking and then having a disc
a state where recovery is still possible is actually a blessing.
Is an impartial file-system such a problem for a host ?
Best Regards,
Peter Van Hove, CEO Smart Projects
CD, DVD, BD and HD DVD Data recovery
Peter at Smart-Projects.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shunsuke Kimura" <shunsuke.kimura at toshiba.co.jp>
To: <mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com>
Cc: <t10 at t10.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Full blank stop for HD DVD-RW
> Dear Members,
> We would like to hear your opinion about HD DVD-RW command set. We
> about
> the stop operation of "Full blank".
> "Full blank" operation is described in Mt.Fuji Rev 0.9 "5.15.7
> "Full blank" operation is executed by BLANK command with Blanking Type
> 000b.
> The logical unit executes "Full blank" according to the following 
> procedure.
> 1. (Over)Write physically recorded portions or all sectors with 00h
> 2. Write RMD as Empty state.
> During "1" process, the host can stop "Full blank" by CLOSE
> command.
> When the host stops "Full blank" operation by the command, the disc
> and the
> addressable area are same as just before "Full blank" command is
> At this time some parts of the addressable area are overwritten with
> data.
> We worry about the disc may cause some problems. For example, if file 
> system data
> remains and some user data are overwritten with 00h data, a host may
> be
> aware of the 00h data.
> This matter was confirmed in the previous meeting, but please
> Best Regards,
> Shunsuke Kimura,
> Toshiba
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