Question for RW-DL fast re-format

[David Burg]

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Dear Katata-san,
Microsoft uses both format types 10h and 15h.
Best regards,
David Burg.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com [mailto:owner-mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com] On
Behalf Of keiji_katata at post.pioneer.co.jp
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:42 PM
To: mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com
Cc: t10 at t10.org
Subject: RE: Question for RW-DL fast re-format
Thank you everyone.
I would like to write my comment one by one.
[Answer to question]
Mt.Fuji group did not discuss the change of the DVD-RW SL (Single Layer)
Format
Unit Command. There is no change in other media types (DVD-RAM, +RW, etc.)
RW-DL is new media. So I think Pioneer proposal does not change of the drive
behavior.
[Comment as a chair]
I understand that you do not desire the device behavior which cannot be
checked.
[Comment as Pioneer]
We need to focus the behavior of the default type (Formatting on Format Type
=
00h). Full format of the DVD-RW DL will take more than 1 hour. User never
accept
this long time.
The other hands, 2 hours - 6 hours TV recording on the RW-DL disc may fill
the
disc up. Once it becomes ROM compatible state (Complete state), another full
format is not necessary.
For example, BD-RE drive dose not fill data area up with null data of the RE
disc by the default format operation. Drive changes Defect List only. If
there
was no linear replacement (no defect), host can read user data on the RE disc
before file system re-construction. Usually file system re-construction makes
the old user data unreadable.
[Question to software venders]
The RW-DL physical format allows pre-formatted media by the media
manufacture.
If software does not use the Format Unit command Format Type = 00h, we can
stop
this discussion now.
All software venders, how do you think? Does the software use Format Unit
command?
Best regards,
Keiji Katata
PIONEER CORP.
"David Burg" <daviburg at windows.microsoft.com>@avc-pioneer.com on 2006/06/21
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Hello,
Thank you for this host consultation.
We checked this issue at Microsoft optical platform storage and core
file system services.
Most important is we do not want to change existing format code
behavior. Per consistency with DVD-RW SL, existing format code behavior
shall be unchanged. Otherwise it would cause unexpected behavior in our
software. If new format behavior is desired, it needs to be with a new
format code or option.
Also, we do not want vendor specific implementations. If there is a
feature, please make it mandatory. If it is not possible, at least
specify the feature *and the feature availability recognition*.
Please let us know if further clarification is needed.
Best regards,
David Burg,
Research Software Development Engineering Lead,
Microsoft.
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