Draft minutes of T10 Plenary Meeting #60 -- Mar 11, 2004
John Lohmeyer
lohmeyer at t10.org
Wed Mar 17 10:14:59 PST 2004
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T10 Plenary Meeting #60 Accredited Standards Committee*
InterNational Committee for Information Technology Standards (INCITS)
Doc. No.: T10/04-085r0
Date: March 17, 2004
Reply to: John Lohmeyer
To: T10 Membership
From: Ralph Weber / John Lohmeyer
Subject: Minutes of T10 Plenary Meeting #60 -- March 11, 2004
Dana Point, CA
Agenda
1. Opening Remarks
2. Approval of Agenda
3. Attendance and Membership
4. Approval of Minutes - January 2004 Meeting - Chandler, AZ
(T10/04-039r0)
5. Document Distribution
6. Call for Patents
7. Review of Old Action Items
8. Project Status Reports
8.1 Project Status Summary and INCITS Liaison [Lohmeyer]
8.1.1 INCITS Antitrust Guidelines
8.2 Object-based Storage Devices Commands (OSD) {Project 1355-D} [Weber]
8.3 SCSI Medium Changer Commands - 2 (SMC-2) {Project 1383-D} [Oetting]
8.4 SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) {Project 1416-D} [Weber]
8.5 SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) {Project 1417-D} [Elliott]
8.6 SCSI Serial Bus Protocol -3 (SBP-3) {Project 1467-D} [Johansson]
8.7 SCSI RDMA Protocol - 2 (SRP-2) {Project 1524-D} [Simpson]
8.8 SCSI Management Server Commands (MSC) {Project 1528-D}
[Penokie/Elliott]
8.9 MultiMedia Command Set - 4 (MMC-4) {Project 1545-D} [McFerrin]
8.10 Automation/Drive Interface - Transport Protocol (ADT) {Project
1557-D} [Entzel]
8.11 Automation/Drive Interface - Commands (ADC) {Project 1558-D}
[Entzel/Wideman]
8.12 SCSI Enclosure Services - 2 (SES-2) {Project 1559-D} [Elliott]
8.13 Fibre Channel Protocol - 3 (FCP-3) {Project 1560-D} [Peterson]
8.14 SCSI Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) {Project 1561-D} [Weber]
8.15 Serial Attached SCSI - 1.1 (SAS-1.1) {Project 1601-D} [Elliott]
8.16 SCSI Stream Commands - 3 (SSC-3) {Project 1611-D} [Peterson]
8.17 MultiMedia Command Set - 5 (MMC-5) {Project 1675-D} [McFerrin]
9. Old Business
10. New Business
10.1 SAM-4 Project Proposal (04-055r1) [Weber]
10.2 2004 5-year Maintenance Review (04-078r0) {SCSI-2}
10.3 Actions on SAS Protocol Working Group Recommendations
10.4 Actions on CAP Working Group Recommendations
10.5 Actions on Other Working Group Recommendations
11. ISO/IEC
11.1 ISO/IEC Report [Robinson]
11.2 ISO/IEC Business [Robinson]
11.2.1 Recommendation to approve FDIS 14776-452: SCSI SPC-2 [Robinson]
11.2.2 Recommendation to remove ISO/IEC 14776-411:1999, (ISO/IEC SAM)
[Robinson]
11.2.3 New work item proposal for ATA/ATAPI-7 (04-091r0)
[Robinson/Colegrove]
12. Liaison Reports
12.1 T11 Liaison Report [Snively]
12.2 T13 Liaison Report [Colegrove]
12.3 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
12.4 IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
12.5 SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Czekalski]
12.6 IETF SCSI over IP [Black/Robinson]
12.7 SNIA [Cummings]
12.8 SATA II [Cox/open]
13. Review of Action Items
14. Meeting Schedule
14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings
15. Adjournment
Results of Meeting
1. Opening Remarks
John Lohmeyer, the T10 Chair, called the meeting to order at 9:00 a.m.,
Thursday March 11, 2004. He thanked Skip Jones of QLogic for hosting the
meeting.
John said that INCITS subgroup membership forms and the T10 document
subscription forms are available on the meeting web site. He said that people
should use these forms to ensure the INCITS Secretariat has the latest
membership information. These forms should be mailed directly to the INCITS
Secretariat.
As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves. Attendance was
taken electronically via the meeting web site.
2. Approval of Agenda
No additions/changes were made to the draft agenda.
John Lohmeyer moved and Ralph Weber seconded that the agenda be approved. In
the absence of any objections, the motion passed unanimously.
No items were added/revised during the course of the meeting.
3. Attendance and Membership
The membership requirements were reviewed. INCITS rules permit one vote per
organization. An individual from a new organization must attend two out of
three consecutive plenary meetings. He/she may apply for voting membership the
second meeting via a letter to the Chair of T10. The individual may begin
voting at the beginning of his/her second meeting.
To maintain membership, organizations must pay the INCITS Service Fee ($800).
John briefly discussed the mailing fees. Complete pricing information is
contained in the 2004 membership form (available at
ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/mem_form.txt).
There are also minimum attendance requirements to maintain voting membership
on T10. If a member organization fails to attend two of the last three T10
meetings, they are warned that failing to attend the next T10 meeting would
result in their membership being terminated.
The Chair said he had sent letters to 2 people from 1 organization informing
them that their membership was in jeopardy due to non-attendance (see
04-050r0) and that their membership would be terminated if they did not attend
this meeting. The following organization was in attendance jeopardy:
Toshiba
All the organizations were present at the meeting.
The members from the organizations that failed to attend would have had their
membership changed to non-voting status.
AMCC joined with Neil Wanamaker as the Principal member.
Since the last T10 meeting, David Peterson requested that the SBS Technologies
membership be terminated. He plans to join T10 representing CNT once he meets
the attendance criteria. Also, Andiamo Systems was acquired by Cisco Systems,
so the Andiamo membership was transferred to Cisco Systems.
The T10 membership during the meeting was 38 organizations up from the 37
member organizations prior to the meeting. Enclosure (1) is the list of the
people present at the meeting and enclosure (2) is the current T10 membership
list.
John Lohmeyer reminded members that failure to vote on two out of the last
three Letter Ballots also would result in membership jeopardy and then noted
that no organizations are currently in Letter Ballot jeopardy.
4. Approval of Minutes - January 2004 Meeting - Chandler, AZ
(T10/04-039r0)
John Lohmeyer moved and Ralph Weber seconded that the minutes be approved. In
the absence of any objections, the motion passed unanimously.
5. Document Distribution
Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Parthenia Purnell (ppurnell at itic.org) (202) 626-5741. A
subscription form is included on the meeting disk.
John Lohmeyer requested that all documents for the next mailing be uploaded to
the T10 web site by 10:30 a.m. on Thursday March 18, 2004. Documents received
after this time may go into a subsequent mailing.
John reminded the committee of the requirements for document submission. Since
T10 meets its document retention requirements by preparing mailings, documents
included in the mailing must be suitable for archiving. This means that
native-format and/or Portable Document Format (PDF) electronic originals with
proper identification must be submitted.
People can obtain T10 document numbers and revised T10 document numbers by
filling out a web form at http://www.t10.org/members/. The assigned T10
document number will be sent to the requestor by e-mail. The requestor may
then reply to this email, including the document to be posted as an
attachment. The document will be automatically posted on the T10 web site.
T10 members can complete this entire process using their personal T10
password. John explained that members who do not know their password should
surf to the above URL and click on the "forgot password" link to have their
password sent to them via e-mail.
John noted that non-members can also use the above document number process,
but their requests will require approval by an administrator.
Minutes are available on the T10 World Wide Web page (see below), and are
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SCSI Trade Association at:
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There is also a mirror site at:
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The T10 document register is available at:
ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/dr.txt
6. Call for Patents
John Lohmeyer explained that this is a regular agenda item to identify any
potential patent issues with developing standards and technical reports.
A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge. This document is
also on the WWW at http://www.incits.org/help/ansi_sdo.html. Section 1.2.11
contains the ANSI patent policy. Amy Marasco manages patent issues for ANSI
and can be contacted at amarasco at ansi.org or 212-642-4954. Gene Milligan
prepared a useful "Handy dandy Technical Committee's Patents Guide", which is
available at ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.99/99-291r0.pdf.
John Lohmeyer presented a summary of the ANSI patent policy prepared by Gary
Robinson. The summary is also included on the Rules and Procedures (plus
Patent Information) page on the T10 web site.
Gary Robinson reported that an ANSI compiled inventory of patent letters of
assurance is available at:
http://public.ansi.org/ansionline/Documents/Standards%20Activities/American%20National%20Standards/Patent%20Letters/
Bob Sheffield reminded the committee that a statement of the Intel patent
policy can be found in T10/01-041r0.
John asked that anyone who knows of other applicable patents to contact him.
There were no other responses to the call for patents other than those
mentioned above.
7. Review of Old Action Items
545 David Black will ensure that RFCs are written defining URLs for SNMP,
CIM over HTTP/HTTPS, and SSH. Carryover
559 John Lohmeyer will forward SMC-2 revision 7 to INCITS for processing
towards second Public Review. Complete.
560 Ralph Weber will prepare a project proposal for SAM-4. Complete.
561 John Lohmeyer will forward 03-358r0 to INCITS for further processing as
a new project proposal for MMC-5. Complete.
562 John Lohmeyer will communicate the recommendation to approve JTC 1/SC
25 FDIS 14776-115 (SPI-5) to INCITS. Complete.
563 Gary Robinson will communicate the recommendation to approve FCD
14776-222 (FCP-2) to INCITS. Complete.
564 Gary Robinson will communicate the recommendation to approve FDIS
14776-150 (SAS) to INCITS. Complete.
565 Gary Robinson will communicate the T10 JTC1/SC25 delegation
recommendation to the INCITS Executive Board. Complete.
8. Project Status Reports
8.1 Project Status Summary and INCITS Liaison [Lohmeyer]
John Lohmeyer said that the current T10 project status summary was included on
the meeting web site and will be included in the mailing as usual.
Terry Nelson asked if he should take an action item to report the problems T10
members are having in receiving their INCITS membership fees invoices to
INCITS. Bob Snively and John responded that they would be handling that issue
at their April meeting with the INCITS staff.
8.1.1 INCITS Antitrust Guidelines
All T10 members should be aware of the INCITS antitrust guidelines available
at http://www.incits.org/natrust.htm.
John reminded committee members that all persons present at a T10 meeting is
responsible for identifying potential violations of the antitrust guidelines
and reporting them to the chair. Discussions of the following topics are
considered sensitive:
* Any company's prices or pricing policies;
* Specific R;
* Any company's confidential product, product development or production
strategies;
* Whether certain suppliers or customers will be served;
* Prices paid to input sources; or
* Complaints about individual firms or other actions that might tend to
hinder a competitor in any market.
8.2 Object-based Storage Devices Commands (OSD) {Project 1355-D} [Weber]
Ralph Weber reported that the T10 forwarding Letter Ballot is underway,
closing on March 24th.
8.3 SCSI Medium Changer Commands - 2 (SMC-2) {Project 1383-D} [Oetting]
Erich Oetting reported that SMC-2 revision 7 is at second public review, which
closes March 15th. John noted that no comments have been reported as of this
meeting.
8.4 SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) {Project 1416-D} [Weber]
Ralph Weber reported that SPC-3 revision 18 will be prepared based on
proposals approved by this meeting and will be posted before the next meeting
but probably not in time for the mailing. A forwarding Letter Ballot is
planned for November 2004.
8.5 SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) {Project 1417-D} [Elliott]
Rob Elliott reported SBC-2 revision 13 will be based on the proposals accepted
at this meeting. The Letter Ballot will not be conducted until after the data
protection proposals have settled down.
8.6 SCSI Serial Bus Protocol -3 (SBP-3) {Project 1467-D} [Johansson]
John Lohmeyer reported that SBP-3 revision 5 is at INCITS for approval. The
Letter Ballot closes the week of April 21, 2004.
8.7 SCSI RDMA Protocol - 2 (SRP-2) {Project 1524-D} [Simpson]
In the absence of Cris Simpson, no report was available.
8.8 SCSI Management Server Commands (MSC) {Project 1528-D}
[Penokie/Elliott]
George Penokie reported that a revision 0 of MSC will be available around the
time of the next meeting.
8.9 MultiMedia Command Set - 4 (MMC-4) {Project 1545-D} [McFerrin]
Bill McFerrin reported the MMC-4 working group will be meeting next Tuesday,
March 16th. He noted that the MMC-4 Letter Ballot may be started shortly
thereafter.
8.10 Automation/Drive Interface - Transport Protocol (ADT) {Project 1557-D}
[Entzel]
Paul Entzel reported on the activities of the ADI working group (minutes in
04-080r0). He stated that a Letter Ballot will be requested on ADT within the
next two weeks.
8.11 Automation/Drive Interface - Commands (ADC) {Project 1558-D}
[Entzel/Wideman]
Paul Entzel reported that the ADC Letter Ballot resolution document is
03-385r1 and a new revision is expected in the next couple of weeks. Having
reached the point of initiating a Letter Ballot on ADT, the group will now
have more time to devote to ADC comment resolution.
8.12 SCSI Enclosure Services - 2 (SES-2) {Project 1559-D} [Elliott]
Rob Elliott reported that SES-2 revision 7 will be prepared including
proposals approved by this meeting but may not be available in time for the
mailing. He noted that a Letter Ballot should be held sometime late this
summer.
8.13 Fibre Channel Protocol - 3 (FCP-3) {Project 1560-D} [Peterson]
Dave Peterson reported on the activities of the FCP-3 working group (minutes
in 04-094r0).
The working group discussed:
o Define DL field function with protection information enabled.
o Clarify PRLI impact on open sequences.
o Reporting of Fabric Login parameters via target device.
o QUERY TASK support.
Dave reported that he is currently working on incorporation of normative
bidirectional operation support from the FCP-2 informative annex.
Dave asked for 2 hours meeting time during the May meeting week and stated a
preference that the meeting time not conflict with the CAP working group.
8.14 SCSI Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) {Project 1561-D} [Weber]
Ralph Weber reported that revision 12 will be prepared following this meeting
and will contain all proposals approved by this meeting. There will be an
editing meeting following this plenary meeting and a Letter Ballot on
forwarding SAM-3 to first public review will be initiated before the end of
the month.
8.15 Serial Attached SCSI - 1.1 (SAS-1.1) {Project 1601-D} [Elliott]
Rob Elliott reported that SAS-1.1 revision 4 will incorporate all the
proposals approved by this meeting.
He noted that the plan is to keep SAS-1.1 open until sufficient
interoperability information is available from the plugfests.
John Lohmeyer reported that a Jitter Study Group, led by Bill Ham, met on
Tuesday March 9 to determine if the new Fibre Channel specifications in MJSQ
and in documents that support FC-PI-2 are applicable to SAS. See 04-093r0 for
minutes of the meeting. Future work on this topic will be part of the SAS PHY
working group.
8.16 SCSI Stream Commands - 3 (SSC-3) {Project 1611-D} [Peterson]
Dave Peterson requested meeting time in May to review SSC-3 proposals. He
stated that a revision 0 may be posted before the May meeting week but not in
time for this mailing.
8.17 MultiMedia Command Set - 5 (MMC-5) {Project 1675-D} [McFerrin]
Bill McFerrin reported that disclosure presentations regarding the new content
for MMC-5 are expected at the MMC-4 working group meeting next Tuesday.
9. Old Business
There was no old business.
10. New Business
10.1 SAM-4 Project Proposal (04-055r1) [Weber]
Ralph Weber moved that 04-055r1 be approved as a new project proposal for
SAM-4. George Penokie seconded the motion.
Bob Snively requested that the benefits of changing to UML be explained.
George Penokie stated that UML will allow the model to be interpreted and
understood by a wider audience than just this room. Dave Peterson reminded the
committee that there will be a learning curve for UML.
The motion passed on a two-thirds vote of 32:0:0:6=38.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward 04-055r1 to INCITS for further
processing as a new project proposal for SAM-4.
10.2 2004 5-year Maintenance Review (04-078r0) {SCSI-2}
T10 has an obligation to review standards every five years and decide whether
the standard should be reaffirmed, revised, withdrawn, or stabilized. The only
T10 standard up for 5 year review this year is SCSI-2.
John Lohmeyer moved that T10 recommend that INCITS.131:1994 [R1999] (SCSI-2)
be reaffirmed. Gary Robinson seconded the motion. The two-thirds motion
passed: 26:2:1:9=38.
Rob Elliott stated that his vote against the motion was based on the opinion
that SCSI-2 should be considered obsolete and that maintaining it has the
adverse effect of giving it an overly prominent presence on the INCITS
standards store web site.
George Penokie stated that his vote against the motion was based on the
opinion that SCSI-2 does not have any usefulness in today's environment and
its use should be discouraged.
Ashlie Fan stated that her abstention was based on lack of certainty regarding
the action.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to notify INCITS that T10 recommends the
reaffirmation of INCITS.131:1994 [R1999] (SCSI-2).
10.3 Actions on SAS Protocol Working Group Recommendations
The recommendations from the SAS working group (minutes in 04-083r0) were
presented to the committee.
George Penokie reviewed the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
SAS-1.1:
04-032r1 (ALIGNs through expanders) [Elliott]
04-061r0 (BREAK handling clarifications) [Hoglund]
Rob Elliott moved that 04-032r1 and 04-061r0 be approved for inclusion in
SAS-1.1. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of
26:0:2:10=38.
10.4 Actions on CAP Working Group Recommendations
The recommendations from the CAP working group (minutes in 04-084r0) were
presented to the committee.
George Penokie reviewed the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
SAM-3:
04-070r1 (Status Precedence Problem) [Penokie]
04-087r1 (QErr Wording) [Binford]
03-302r4 (Per-Command Priority Tagging) [Penokie]
Mark Evans requested that a separate vote be taken on 03-302r4.
George Penokie moved that 04-070r1 and 04-087r1 be approved for inclusion in
SAM-3. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of
29:0:1:8=38.
George Penokie moved that 03-302r4 be approved for inclusion in SAM-3. Bill
Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of 17:1:12:8=38.
George Penokie reviewed the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
SAM-3 and SPC-3:
03-376r4 (Invalid LUN on Request Sense Command) [Penokie]
03-344r6 (Report all initiator and target ports) [Elliott]
Rob Elliott moved that 03-376r4 and 03-344r6 be approved for inclusion in
SAM-3 and SPC-3. Roger Cummings seconded the motion. The motion passed on a
vote of 27:0:1:10=38.
George Penokie reviewed the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
SPC-3:
03-342r5 (Persistent reservations read full status) [Elliott]
04-060r1 (Persistent reservations type clarification) [Elliott]
03-354r2 (Specify initiator ports in EXTENDED COPY target descriptors)
[Elliott]
04-059r2 (OSD Quota Enforcement **SPC-3 Changes Only**) [Weber]
Rob Elliott moved that 03-342r5, 04-060r1, 03-354r2, and 04-059r2 be approved
for inclusion in SPC-3. Ralph Weber seconded the motion. The motion passed on
a vote of 27:0:1:10=38.
George Penokie reviewed the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
SPC-3 and SES-2:
04-010r2 (More diagnostic pages for SES) [Elliott]
04-074r0 (Supported SES Diagnostic Pages) [Elliott]
Rob Elliott moved that 04-010r2 and 04-074r0 be approved for inclusion in
SPC-3 and SES-2. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on a
vote of 27:0:1:10=38.
George Penokie reviewed 03-289r3 (Only if Reserved (OIR) Proposal) [Cummings]
approved for inclusion in SPC-3 and SSC-3.
Roger Cummings moved that 03-289r3 be approved for inclusion in SPC-3 and
SSC-3. Erich Oetting seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of
23:0:6:9=38.
George Penokie reviewed the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
SBC-2:
04-012r1 (Write Same fixes) [Penokie]
03-348r2 (4-byte LBA commands on 8-byte LBA capable drives) [Elliott]
04-076r0 (PRE-FETCH and errors) [Elliott]
Rob Elliott moved that 04-012r1, 03-348r2, and 04-076r0 be approved for
inclusion in SBC-2. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on a
vote of 25:0:3:10=38.
10.5 Actions on Other Working Group Recommendations
The recommendations from the FCP-3 working group (minutes in 04-094r0) were
presented to the committee.
Dave Peterson reviewed the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
FCP-3:
04-069r1 (Clarify PRLI impact on open sequences) [Coomes]
04-068r0 (Impact of protection information on data length fields) [Coomes]
Ralph Weber requested that 04-068r0 be considered separately.
Bob Snively moved that 04-069r1 be approved for inclusion in SPC-3 and SSC-3.
Neil Wanamaker seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of
20:0:7:11=38.
Ralph Weber stated that 04-068r0 has wording that is too restrictive,
referring only to only protection data, and does not consider similar issues
related to OSD. He noted that Jim Coomes has agreed to revise the proposal. In
the absence of any objections, the proposal was remanded back to the FCP-3
working group for further consideration.
11. ISO/IEC
11.1 ISO/IEC Report [Robinson]
Gary Robinson presented the ISO/IEC report (04-079r3).
11.2 ISO/IEC Business [Robinson]
11.2.1 Recommendation to approve FDIS 14776-452: SCSI SPC-2 [Robinson]
Gary Robinson moved and John Lohmeyer seconded that T10 has reviewed project
1.25.13.11.27: FDIS 14776-452: SCSI SPC-2, and recommends that the JTC1/SC25
TAG vote to approve said FDIS.
The roll call motion passed with a tally of 31:0:0:7=38. Details of the roll
call were as follows:
Organization Voter Vote
Adaptec, Inc. Tim Symons Yes
Agilent Technologies Pat Thaler Yes
AMCC Neil Wanamaker Yes
Amphenol Interconnect Michael Wingard Yes
Brocade Robert Snively Yes
Cisco Systems, Inc. (not present)
Crossroads Systems, Inc. Dexter Anderson Yes
Dallas Semiconductor James A. Lott, Jr. Yes
Dell, Inc. Kevin Marks Yes
EMC Corp. Gary S. Robinson Yes
Emulex Robert H. Nixon Yes
ENDL Ralph O. Weber Yes
FCI Douglas Wagner Yes
Fujitsu Mike Fitzpatrick Yes
General Dynamics (not present)
Hewlett Packard Co. Rob Elliott Yes
Hitachi Cable Manchester (not present)
Hitachi Global Storage Tech. Dan Colegrove Yes
IBM Corp. George O. Penokie Yes
Intel Corp. Robert Sheffield Yes
Iomega Corp. (not present)
LSI Logic Corp. John Lohmeyer Yes
Madison Cable Corp. Ashlie Fan Yes
Maxtor Corp. Mark Evans Yes
Microsoft Corp. (not present)
Molex Inc. (not present)
Panasonic Technologies, Inc Terence J. Nelson Yes
Philips Electronics William P. McFerrin Yes
Pivot3, Inc. (not present)
QLogic Corp. Craig W. Carlson Yes
Quantum Corp. Paul Entzel Yes
Seagate Technology Gerald Houlder Yes
Storage Technology Corp. Erich Oetting Yes
Sun Microsystems, Inc. Vit Novak Yes
Texas Instruments Robert Kando Yes
Toshiba Hiroshi Suzuki Yes
UNISYS Ron Mathews Yes
Veritas Software Roger Cummings Yes
This two-thirds roll call vote passed (31:0:0:7=38).
Gary Robinson took an action item to notify the JTC1/SC25 TAG that T10 has
reviewed project 1.25.13.11.27: FDIS 14776-452: SCSI SPC-2, and recommends
that the JTC1/SC25 TAG vote to approve said FDIS.
11.2.2 Recommendation to remove ISO/IEC 14776-411:1999, (ISO/IEC SAM)
[Robinson]
Gary Robinson noted that ISO/IEC had made recommendations regarding a large
number of international standards. The only recommendation directly affecting
T10 is to remove ISO/IEC 14776-411:1999, Information technology -- Small
Computer System Interface-3 -- Part 411: SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SCSI-3
SAM). Ralph Weber recommended that SAM not be removed since the international
version of SAM-2 is not yet approved.
Gary Robinson moved and John Lohmeyer seconded that T10 recommend ISO/IEC
14776-411:1999, Information technology -- Small Computer System Interface-3 --
Part 411: SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SCSI-3 SAM) be confirmed and that the
five questions be answered as follows:
Question 1: We are in favor of confirmation of the International Standard for
a further period of five years.
Question 2: If the voting results show a need to revise the standard, we are
prepared to participate in the development of the project. (YES)
Question 3: This ISO/IEC standard has been implemented as a national standard.
(YES)
Question 4: The standard is implemented without change. (YES)
Question 5: The national standard is: INCITS.270:1996 [R2001]
The roll call motion passed with a tally of 31:0:0:7=38. Details of the roll
call were the same as under agenda item 11.2.1.
Gary Robinson took an action item to notify the JTC1/SC25 TAG that T10 has
recommended ISO/IEC 14776-411:1999, Information technology -- Small Computer
System Interface-3 -- Part 411: SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SCSI-3 SAM) be
confirmed and that the five questions be answered as shown in document
T10/04-085 (the minutes of T10 meeting #60).
11.2.3 New work item proposal for ATA/ATAPI-7 (04-091r0) [Robinson/Colegrove]
Gary Robinson moved and Dan Colegrove seconded that T10 has reviewed the new
work item proposal, and recommends the NWIP for AT7 (T10/04-091r0) as a US
contribution to JTC1/SC25 and to approve the NP to be issued by SC25,
answering the 6 questions 'Yes' and naming Gary S. Robinson as project editor.
The roll call motion passed with a tally of 28:0:3:7=38. Details of the roll
call were as follows:
Organization Voter Vote
Adaptec, Inc. Tim Symons Yes
Agilent Technologies Pat Thaler Yes
AMCC Neil Wanamaker Yes
Amphenol Interconnect Michael Wingard Yes
Brocade Robert Snively Yes
Cisco Systems, Inc. (not present)
Crossroads Systems, Inc. Dexter Anderson Yes
Dallas Semiconductor James A. Lott, Jr. Yes
Dell, Inc. Kevin Marks Yes
EMC Corp. Gary S. Robinson Yes
Emulex Robert H. Nixon Yes
ENDL Ralph O. Weber Yes
FCI Douglas Wagner Yes
Fujitsu Mike Fitzpatrick Yes
General Dynamics (not present)
Hewlett Packard Co. Rob Elliott Yes
Hitachi Cable Manchester (not present)
Hitachi Global Storage Tech. Dan Colegrove Yes
IBM Corp. George O. Penokie Abstain
Intel Corp. Robert Sheffield Yes
Iomega Corp. (not present)
LSI Logic Corp. John Lohmeyer Abstain
Madison Cable Corp. Ashlie Fan Yes
Maxtor Corp. Mark Evans Yes
Microsoft Corp. (not present)
Molex Inc. (not present)
Panasonic Technologies, Inc Terence J. Nelson Abstain
Philips Electronics William P. McFerrin Yes
Pivot3, Inc. (not present)
QLogic Corp. Craig W. Carlson Yes
Quantum Corp. Paul Entzel Yes
Seagate Technology Gerald Houlder Yes
Storage Technology Corp. Erich Oetting Yes
Sun Microsystems, Inc. Vit Novak Yes
Texas Instruments Robert Kando Yes
Toshiba Hiroshi Suzuki Yes
UNISYS Ron Mathews Yes
Veritas Software Roger Cummings Yes
This two-thirds roll call vote passed (28:0:3:7=38).
Gary Robinson took an action item to inform the JTC1/SC25 TAG that T10 has
reviewed the new work item proposal, and recommends the NWIP for ATA/ATAPI-7
(T10/04-091r0) as a US contribution to JTC1/SC25 and to approve the NP to be
issued by SC25, answering the 6 questions 'Yes' and naming Gary S. Robinson as
project editor.
12. Liaison Reports
12.1 T11 Liaison Report [Snively]
Bob Snively presented the T11 liaison report contained in T10/04-086r0.
12.2 T13 Liaison Report [Colegrove]
Dan Colegrove provided an oral report to the committee on the activities of
T13, principally on ATA/ATAPI-7 Letter Ballot comment resolution. Approval of
the Letter Ballot comment resolution is expected at the April meeting. For
details regarding T13 activities see www.t13.org.
12.3 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
In the absence of Dal Allan no report was available.
12.4 IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
In the absence of Peter Johansson, no report was available.
12.5 SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Czekalski]
Marty Czekalski provided an electronic report on the activities of the SCSI
Trade Association. The report is available in 04-101r0.
12.6 IETF SCSI over IP [Black/Robinson]
In the absence of David Black, no report was available.
12.7 SNIA [Cummings]
Roger Cummings provided an electronic report in 04-092r0 that was displayed
for the committee to review.
12.8 SATA II [Cox/open]
The SATA II group has not yet designated an official liaison to T10.
Alvin Cox reported that the SATA Phy group is having a face-to-face meeting
after the plugfest next week. There are 25 items to be resolved, some major,
some not. The SAS Phy group will be adopting the SATA specifications during
there meeting in the May T10 meeting week.
13. Review of Action Items
545 David Black will ensure that RFCs are written defining URLs for SNMP,
CIM over HTTP/HTTPS, and SSH.
566 John Lohmeyer will forward 04-055r1 to INCITS for further processing as
a new project proposal for SAM-4.
567 John Lohmeyer will notify INCITS that T10 recommends the reaffirmation
of INCITS.131:1994 [R1999] (SCSI-2).
568 Gary Robinson will notify the JTC1/SC25 TAG that T10 reviewed project
1.25.13.11.27: FDIS 14776-452: SCSI SPC-2, and recommends that the JTC1/SC25
TAG vote to approve said FDIS.
569 Gary Robinson will notify the JTC1/SC25 TAG that T10 has recommended
ISO/IEC 14776-411:1999, Information technology -- Small Computer System
Interface-3 -- Part 411: SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SCSI-3 SAM) be confirmed
and that the five questions be answered as shown in document T10/04-085 (the
minutes of T10 meeting #60).
570 Gary Robinson will inform the JTC1/SC25 TAG that T10 has reviewed the
new work item proposal, and recommends the NWIP for ATA/ATAPI-7 (T10/04-091r0)
as a US contribution to JTC1/SC25 and to approve the NP to be issued by SC25,
answering the 6 questions 'Yes' and naming Gary S. Robinson as project editor.
14. Meeting Schedule
The next plenary meeting of T10 will be Thursday May 6, 2004 in Seaside, CA at
the Embassy Suites on Monterey Bay Hotel (831-393-1115), hosted by Brocade
Communications Systems. The meeting will begin at 9:00 a.m. on Thursday.
The meeting list for the next plenary week is:
Monday 5/03 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+=====================+
| ADI WG | (15)
+=================+=====================+
| SAS Protocol WG | (40)
+=======================================+
| SAS Physical WG | (25)
+=======================================+
| T11.5 FAIS WG | (30)
+---------------------------------------+
Tuesday 5/04 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+=================+=================+
|SCSI/ATA Trans SG| CAP WG | (40)
+========+========+=================+
|SSC-3 WG|FCP-3 WG| (30)
+--------+------+-+-------------+
| Plugfest Adm *| STA Marcom * | (20)
+---------------+---------------+-------+
| T11.5 FAIS WG | (30)
+---------------------------------------+
Wednesday 5/05 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+===================================+
| CAP WG | (40)
+=======================+===========+
| T11.3 FC-SP WG |SFF | (30)
+-+---------------+-------+-------+---+
| STA Plenary * / Plugfest TCC *| (20)
+-----------------+---------------+ +-----------+
| Reception | (All)
+-----------+
Thursday 5/06 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+===============+====================+
| T10 Plenary | OSD/SAM-3 LB Res | (45/20)
+===============+====================+
Friday 5/07 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+=================+
|OSD/SAM-3 LB Res | (20)
+=================+
Meetings marked with == are T10-authorized meetings.
Meetings marked with -- are other groups and may change without notice.
Meetings marked with (*) are closed meetings of other groups.
Other T10-authorized meetings:
Meeting Date Location / Contact
-------------- ------------------ --------------------------------------
ADI Calls To be announced via T10 reflector
MMC WG Apr ?? To be announced via T10 reflector/McFerrin
MSC Call TBD To be announced via T10 reflector
SAS Prot Calls TBD To be announced via T10 reflector
SAS PHY Calls TBD To be announced via T10 reflector
3rd party TBD To be announced via T10 reflector
persistent
reservations
Map Abbreviation Key:
ADI: Automation Drive Interface (tape library interface)
Amnd: Amendment
CAP: Commands, Architecture, and Protocols
Fast-80: Data Transfer at 80 Mega-transfers/sec. (a.k.a., Ultra3,Ultra160)
Fast-160: Data Transfer at 160 Mega-transfers/sec. (a.k.a., Ultra320)
FC: Fibre Channel
I/F: Interface
IETF: Internet Engineering Task Force (the group that sets
Internet standards)
iFC: Internet Fibre Channel
IPS: Internet Protocol SCSI
iSCSI: Internet SCSI
LB: Letter Ballot
MMC: Multimedia Commands (CD-ROM, DVD, etc.)
OSD: Object-based Storage Device
Par.: Parallel (e.g., SPI-n)
PH or PHY: Physical (Connectors, Cables, Transceivers, etc.)
PIP: (SCSI) Passive Interconnect Performance
Plenary: Full Committee Meeting
Res: Resolution
SAS: Serial Attached SCSI
SBC-2: SCSI Block Commands - 2
SBP-3: Serial Bus Protocol - 3
SCSI: Small Computer System Interface
SES: SCSI Enclosure Services
SFF: SFF Industry Group (not an INCITS activity)
SG: Study Group
SMC-2: SCSI Medium Changer - 2 Commands
SPC-3: SCSI Primary Commands - 2 (3rd generation)
SPI-4: Fourth Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SPI-5: Fifth Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SRP: SCSI RDMA Protocol (was SVP)
SRP-2: SCSI RDMA Protocol (2nd generation)
SSC-2: SCSI Stream Commands - 2 (includes Tape)
SSM-2: SCSI Signal Modeling (2nd generation)
SSWGs: Specific-Subject Working Groups
STA: SCSI Trade Association (Closed meeting -- not an INCITS activity)
STA Marcom: STA Marketing Communications (Closed meeting -- not an INCITS
activity)
STA Tech: STA Technical Meeting (T10 members invited)
STP: Serial ATA Tunneled Protocol
T10: SCSI Storage Interfaces Technical Committee
T11: Device Level Interfaces Technical Committee
WG: Working Group (same as Ad Hoc Group)
For more information about T10 activities, please contact the following
people:
Activity Contact Telephone/Email
---------------------------- --------------- ------------------------------
ADT Paul Entzel (720) 406-5782
paul.entzel at quantum.com
ADC Rod Wideman (720) 249-5796
rod.wideman at adic.com
SBC-2, SES-2, SAS-1.1 Rob Elliott (281) 518-5037
Elliott at hp.com
MMC-4, MMC-5 Bill McFerrin (325) 423-1560
billmc at tstar.net
SBP-3 Peter Johansson (510) 527-3926
PJohansson at ACM.org
MSC George Penokie (507) 253-5208
gpenokie at tivoli.com
SMC-2 Erich Oetting (303) 673-2178
Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
SPC-3, SAM-2, SAM-3, OSD Ralph Weber (214) 912-1373
roweber at acm.org
SSC-3, FCP-3 Dave Peterson (763) 268-6139
david_peterson at cnt.com
SRP-2 Cris Simpson (503) 712-4333
cris.simpson at intel.com
Other Activities John Lohmeyer (719) 533-7560
lohmeyer at t10.org
The long-term T10 meeting week schedule is:
Date Location Host/Comments
------------------ ------------------------- -----------------------------
Mar 8-12, 2004 Dana Point, CA QLogic
May 3-7, 2004 Monterey, CA Brocade
Jul 12-16, 2004 Colorado Springs, CO LSI Logic
Sep 13-17, 2004 Nashua, NH Hitachi Cable
Nov 8-12, 2004 Austin, TX Crossroads
Jan 17-21, 2005 Las Vegas, NV Hitachi GST
Mar 7-11, 2005 Dana Point, CA QLogic
May 2-6, 2005 Oklamhoma City, OK Fujitsu
Jul 11-15, 2005 Colorado Springs, CO LSI Logic
Sep 12-16, 2005
Nov 7-11, 2005 Austin, TX Crossroads
John Lohmeyer moved that the 2005 hosts and locations be approved, with the
exception of September. Mark Evans seconded the motion. In the absence of any
objections, the motion passed unanimously.
John Lohmeyer asked organizations interested hosting one of the meetings in
2006 to contact him.
14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings
John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under the
same voting procedures as does T10 (that is, one vote per organization) and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee. Ad hoc
groups should strive to achieve consensus prior to bringing issues to T10.
Erich Oetting moved that T10 authorize the T10-related meetings and events in
the list above that had not previously been approved through the end of April
2004. Gerry Houlder seconded the motion. In the absence of any objections, the
motion passed unanimously.
15. Adjournment
John Lohmeyer moved and Ralph Weber seconded that the meeting be adjourned. In
the absence of any objections, the motion passed unanimously. The meeting was
adjourned at 11:10 a.m. on Thursday March 11, 2004.
Enclosure(1) -- Meeting Attendees
Name S Organization Electronic Mail Address
---------------------- -- ------------------------- -------------------------
Mr. Tim Symons P Adaptec, Inc. Timothy_Symons at adaptec.
com
Ms. Pat Thaler P Agilent Technologies pat_thaler at agilent.com
Mr. Neil Wanamaker P AMCC nwanamaker at amcc.com
Mr. Michael Wingard P Amphenol Interconnect mike.wingard at aipce.com
Mr. Robert Snively P Brocade Comm. Systems, rsnively at brocade.com
Inc.
Mr. David Peterson AV CNT david_peterson at cnt.com
Mr. Dexter Anderson A# Crossroads Systems, Inc. danderson at crossroads.com
Mr. Doug Cole A Dallas Semiconductor doug.cole at dalsemi.com
Mr. James A. Lott, Jr. P Dallas Semiconductor jim.lott at dalsemi.com
Mr. Kevin Marks P Dell, Inc. kevin_marks at dell.com
Mr. Phil Colline AV Dot Hill Systems Corp Phil.Colline at dothill.com
Mr. Gary S. Robinson P EMC Corp. robinson_gary at emc.com
Mr. Robert H. Nixon P Emulex bob.nixon at emulex.com
Mr. Ralph O. Weber P ENDL Texas roweber at ieee.org
Mr. Douglas Wagner P FCI dwagner at fciconnect.com
Mr. Mike Fitzpatrick P Fujitsu mfitzpatrick at fcpa.
fujitsu.com
Mr. Rob Elliott P Hewlett Packard Co. Elliott at hp.com
Mr. Dan Colegrove P Hitachi Global Storage daniel.colegrove at hgst.com
Tech.
Mr. George O. Penokie P IBM / Tivoli Systems gop at us.ibm.com
Mr. Robert Sheffield P Intel Corp. robert.l.sheffield at intel.
com
Mr. Dennis Moore AV KnowledgeTek, Inc. dmoore at ix.netcom.com
Mr. John Lohmeyer P LSI Logic Corp. lohmeyer at t10.org
Ms. Ashlie Fan P Madison Cable Corp. afan at madisoncable.com
Mr. Martin Czekalski A Maxtor Corp. marty_czekalski at maxtor.
com
Mr. Mark Evans P Maxtor Corp. mark_evans at maxtor.com
Mr. Jay Neer P Molex Inc. jneer at molex.com
Dr. David Nagle AV Panasas dnagle at panasas.com
Dr. Terence J. Nelson P Panasonic Technologies, terry at tjnelson.com
Inc
Mr. William P. P Philips Electronics/CD billmc at tstar.net
McFerrin Edge
Mr. Bill Galloway P Pivot3, Inc. billg at pivot3.com
Mr. Craig W. Carlson A# QLogic Corp. craig.carlson at qlogic.com
Mr. Paul Entzel P Quantum Corp. paul.entzel at quantum.com
Mr. Alvin Cox V Seagate Technology Alvin.Cox at seagate.com
Mr. Gerald Houlder P Seagate Technology gerry.houlder at seagate.com
Mr. Erich Oetting P Storage Technology Corp. erich_oetting at stortek.com
Mr. Vit Novak P Sun Microsystems, Inc. vit.novak at sun.com
Mr. Robert Kando A Texas Instruments Robert_Kando at ti.com
Mr. Hiroshi Suzuki P Toshiba hiroshi.suzuki at tais.
toshiba.com
Mr. Ron Mathews P UNISYS Corporation ronald.mathews at unisys.com
Mr. Roger Cummings P Veritas Software roger.cummings at veritas.
com
40 People Present
Status Key: P - Principal
A,A# - Alternate
AV - Advisory Member
L - Liaison
V - Visitor
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