Scsi over whatever

Pat LaVarre LAVARRE at iomega.com
Wed Feb 20 11:10:48 PST 2002


* From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org), posted by:
* "Pat LaVarre" <LAVARRE at iomega.com>
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John L:

Six points in reply:

0) I trust people here will tell me if/when they find the confusion of a t10 newbie like me too boring to withstand.

1) Extending the bbsinfo.htm works for me, thank you.  I mean to be suggesting a mention of Scsi over Usb (its 1998 launch was now five years ago) and an elaboration of the links to Scsi over Ide (aka Atapi).

2) So long as I'm recklessly volunteering work for other people, I'll go ahead and mention ...

I'd like to see the link between bbsinfo and drafts become bidirectional.  That is, just as bbsinfo.htm now points to <http://www.t10.org/drafts.htm>, I'd like to see drafts.htm point to bbsinfo.htm.

With the bidirectional link in place, I could point people just to <http://www.t10.org/drafts.htm>, reinforcing the <http://www.t10.org/> claim to be "_the_ place to find more information about I/O Interfaces, especially SCSI, ..."

I wonder if it is the Disclaimer of drafts.htm that would benefit most from adding a sentence at the end like:

For links to other more or less unapproved Scsi standards, managed by people other than T10, see "Electronic Information Sources and Mailing Lists" <http://www.t10.org/bbsinfo.htm>.

3) Agreed maintenance over time is difficult.

I remember seeing the only occurrence of the word Atapi in <http://www.t10.org/> is the true claim at the top that the implicitly specified search <http://www.google.com/search?q=atapi+site%3Awww.t10.org> will have hits.

Might be good to offer people a button for site-specific-search, a la that of <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/jargoogle.html>.

4) I can testify that before now I had never seen the bbsinfo page or link.  I see now the link appears near the end of the long menu of <http://www.t10.org/>.  I specifically remember reading the menu choice "Vendor ID, ASC/ASCQ, and Standards Identifier Codes" ... somehow I never read past that.

5)

> http://www.t10.org/lists/op-num.htm
>     DTLPWRSOMCAEBK
> 23  V   V  V     V
> 23       O          READ FORMAT CAPACITIES

Newbie that I am, I'd have more quickly reached the right conclusion on reading that table if that table had said:

>     DTLPWRSOMCAEBK
> 23  V   VO V     V  READ FORMAT CAPACITIES

Indeed, we could enable quoting without fixed fonts by using something other than blanks:

>     DTLPWRSOMCAEBK
> 23  V---VO-V-----V  READ FORMAT CAPACITIES

Pat LaVarre

>>> John Lohmeyer <lohmeyer at t10.org> 02/20/02 11:16AM >>>
Pat,

I'll look into adding some of the links you mention to the T10 web site, but I prefer putting them on the <http://www.t10.org/bbsinfo.htm> page instead on the <http://www.t10.org/drafts.htm> page. The latter page is automatically generated from a parameter file and the T10 projects and drafts databases.  Since ATAPI and USB are not T10 projects, they are not in the T10 databases and thus do not fit well on this page.

Regards,
John
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>>> "Pat LaVarre" <LAVARRE at iomega.com> 02/20/02 09:45AM >>>
* From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org), posted by:
* "Pat LaVarre" <LAVARRE at iomega.com>
*
Hi.

I was pleased to notice recently that <http://www.t10.org/drafts.htm> gives a pretty good summary of how to connect low end mass storage.  I see placed together both links to the official standards available for purchase and also links to the more public final drafts.  I see there now not only Scsi-2 but also 1394 Sbp-2 and so on.

Two questions:


Q1) Would it be a Good Thing to add, analogous to 1394 Sbp-2, a trail of links leading to Scsi over Ide?  How about:

Technical Committee T13 AT Attachment
<http://www.t13.org/> 

Project 1410D AT Attachment - 5 with Packet Interface
http://www.t13.org/project/d1321r3.pdf 

The above link retrieves the final T13 committee draft. Please contact ANSI (Usa 212 642-4900) and ask for NCITS 340-2000 to purchase the official standard or technical report.

Proposed Ata/pi 5 errata: <http://www.t13.org/project/e01122r0.pdf>

Project 1532D AT Attachment - 6 with Packet Interface
http://www.t13.org/project/d1410r3a.pdf 


Q2) Would it be a Good Thing to add, analogous to 1394 Sbp-2, a trail of links leading to Scsi over Usb?  (These have the further advantage of leading to freely distributed, yet still maximally official, public standards.)  How about:

USB (Universal Serial Bus, anagram for BUS)
<http://www.usb.org>

Approved Class Specifications
<http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs.html#approved>

Mass Storage Overview 1.1
http://www.usb.org/developers/data/devclass/usbmassover_11.pdf 

Mass Storage Bulk Only 1.0
http://www.usb.org/developers/data/devclass/usbmassbulk_10.pdf 


Just curious, hope that's ok.    Pat LaVarre


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