[T11.3] Re: FC-FS: REC to revert to ELS

John Tyndall jtyndall at crossroads.com
Wed Aug 14 10:50:07 PDT 2002


* From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org), posted by:
* "John Tyndall" <jtyndall at Crossroads.com>
*
Obsolete sounds much better than vendor specific. After all it did have a definition for some period of time that people actually implemented. I wouldn't want the code re-used for other purposes under the argument that it's vendor specific so it can be treated anyway a vendor chooses.

John Tyndall
Architect
Crossroads Systems Inc.
Email  : jtyndall at crossroads.com
Phone : 512-928-7282


-----Original Message-----
From: Nixon, Bob [mailto:Bob.Nixon at Emulex.Com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:30 PM
To: John Tyndall; cmonia at NishanSystems.com; Kevin D Butt
Cc: T10 Reflector (E-mail); T11 Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [T11.3] Re: FC-FS: REC to revert to ELS


If we make the change in FCP-2, we probably should leave the REC FC-4 LS code "vendor specific".  If we defer the change until FCP-3, it would become "obsolete".  In either case, it could not be re-used for any standard purpose.  Does that take care of the problems?

   - Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: John Tyndall [mailto:jtyndall at Crossroads.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:48 AM
To: cmonia at NishanSystems.com; Kevin D Butt; Nixon, Bob
Cc: T10 Reflector (E-mail); T11 Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [T11.3] Re: FC-FS: REC to revert to ELS


It would be a good idea not to reassign the encoding, since reassignment could greatly complicate life for targets.

John Tyndall
Architect
Crossroads Systems Inc.
Email  : jtyndall at crossroads.com
Phone : 512-928-7282


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Monia [mailto:cmonia at NishanSystems.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:05 PM
To: 'Kevin D Butt'; Nixon, Bob
Cc: T10 Reflector (E-mail); T11 Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: [T11.3] Re: FC-FS: REC to revert to ELS


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If implementations treat REC as either an FC-4 or extended link service, does that imply the FC-4 encoding should never be reassigned?

Charles

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin D Butt [mailto:kdbutt at us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:22 PM
> To: Nixon, Bob
> Cc: owner-t10 at t10.org; T10 distribution (E-mail); T11. 3 Distribution
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> Subject: Re: FC-FS: REC to revert to ELS
> 
> 
> * From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org), posted by:
> * "Kevin D Butt" <kdbutt at us.ibm.com>
> *
> 
> IBM Tape devices, Magstar 3590 and LTO Ultrium 358x devices have
> implemented the response REC as an FC4 Link Service.  We have also 
> implemented our response to REC as an ELS.  We will respond in 
> whatever manner the host makes the request,  either FC4 Link Service
> Response or ELS
> Response.  We do not issue a REC Request.
> 
> Kevin D. Butt
> Fibre Channel & SCSI Architect
> IBM Tape Microcode,
> 6TYA, 9000 S. Rita Rd., Tucson, AZ  85744
> Tie-line 321; Office: 520-799-5280, Lab: 799-2869, Fax: 799-4138, 
> Email: kdbutt at us.ibm.com
> 
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> This message is to inform the community of the decision of the FC-FS
> working group to
>       reestablish the Read Exchange Concise Extended Link Service as
>       defined in FC-FS version 0.30 (T11/00-340v1, July 2000);
>       recommend to T10 that, circumstances permitting, FCP-2
> be revised to
>       reflect REC as an Extended Link Service rather than an FC-4 Link
>       Service; and
>       recommend to T10 that, should it be impractical to revise FCP-2,
>       FCP-3 be written to reflect REC as an ELS rather than 
> an FC-4 Link
>       Service, and implementers of FCP-2 be advised to 
> diverge from the
>       published standard in the same manner.
> This decision was motivated by the understanding of all 
> present that the
> behavior proposed reflects the actual implementation of all 
> products using
> REC.  The community is solicited to advise the T11.3 distribution (
> t11_3 at mail.t11.org) of contact information for any products known to
> implement the REC FC-4 Link Service as defined in the current 
> version of
> the FCP-2 specification.
> 
>    - Bob Nixon, FC-FS working group secretary
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