Minutes of the Joint T10/T11.3 Adhoc Working Group meeting March 6, 2000

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Joint T10/T11.3 Activity Working Group AdHoc Meeting Minutes
T11/00-167v0.pdf
Dallas, Texas, March 6, 2000
Stewart Wyatt, Secretary

1. Introductions                                     Dale LaFollette

The facilitator, Dale LaFollette called the meeting to order at 9AM. He
thanked TI for hosting the meeting and had the participants introduce
themselves.

2. Approve this agenda:                         T11/00-138v0
Dale LaFollette

Approved as modified in these minutes.

3. Approve 01/13/00 minutes:             T11/00-118v0
Stewart Wyatt

Approved with two amendments as noted in reflector traffic. Stewart will
issue revised minutes with the corrections.

4. Review Old Action Items:
Stewart Wyatt

#1. Carl Zeitler - Update the Out-Of-Order proposal drawings in
T10/00-137r0. Completed
#2. Carl Zeitler - Determine the correct response to a lost ACK: BA_RJT
or BA_ACC. On today's agenda
#3. Bob Snively - End exchange cases in FC-PH does not include the class
3 case of lost FCP_CONF. Needs to be added to FC-FS. Check for other
cases. On going
#5. Paul Suhler - SSC letter ballot comment requesting restoring the Set
Capacity command. Paul will investigate some other means of limiting the
available capacity of a large tape. Completed and on today's agenda
#6. Neil Wanamaker - Revise proposal defining behavior with both target
and initiator bits set in PRLI. Ongoing
#7. Paul Suhler - Revise proposal for Large Block Addresses in the SSC.
Completed
#8. Charles Binford: Proposal to notify initiators of cleared commands
to be taken to the SCSI working group. On going
#9.  Bob Snively: Include revised Annex E (T11/99-340v3) in the next
revision of the FCP-2. Completed in FCP-2 revision 4. This item is still
open and the subject of a letter ballot comment. Closed
#10.  Bill Martin: Bob Snively requests that Bill Martin review the
Out-Of-Order proposal looking for corner case problems. Bob has not made
the request to Bill

+++ T10 +++
5. New Business

A.	SSC Large Block Addresses T10/00-135r1 Paul Suhler

Paul reviewed his proposal. Dale asked for a vote of acceptance for a
future revision of the SSC. George suggested that it be taken to the
plenary for a vote. Ralph will reserve the op codes. 

Dale LaFollette made the motion that this working group propose to the
T10 plenary to accept this proposal, 00-135r1 as amended, for inclusion
in a future version of the SSC (SSC-2). Paul Suhler seconded the motion,
which passed with 9 in favor, 0 opposed and 1 abstained.

B.	SSC Public Review Comment T10/00-159r0 Paul Suhler

Paul considered several options using mode pages. He found none of them
to be acceptable. Neil Wanamaker was concerned that mode pages would
apply to the device and not to the medium. In this case and some others
the mode page should apply exclusively to that particular medium. There
was some discussion on that point. After considering the options, Paul
Suhler recommended that the Set Capacity command be revived for a future
version of the SSC. 

Paul made a motion that this working group recommend that T10 reject his
public review comment and consider the concept proposed in the comment
for inclusion in a future version of the SSC. Seconded by Dale
LaFollette. For 10, opposed 0, abstained 3.

C.	New version of the SSC.

Dale noted that Dave Peterson has indicated that he would be willing to
be the editor of a new version of the SSC. Dave also will start the
preparation of a new project proposal for SSC-2 to be presented in a
future T10 working group meeting.

+++T11.3+++
6. New Business
A.	BA_ACC Carl Zeitler T11/00-133v1

Carl worked through some overheads to define the issue. A discussion
followed about how a target would avoid confusing a new command with the
same OX-ID, with the previous one with the missing ACK - a unique RX-ID
is required. Charles Binford and Bob Snively looked at some multiple
frame loss cases which complicated sorting out the exchanges. As the
discussion began to bog down, Carl said he would take it off line and
sort the issues out.

B.	R_R_TOV Carl Zeitler T11/00-145v0

Carl reported that this issue resulted from a conversation with Rob
Basham (IBM). After a discussion about recovering resources in Class 3
after an error, the conclusion was reached that RR_TOV needs to be
lengthened. Carl's example assumed an FCP-RSP is lost and then the SRR
is lost also. Carl calculated the minimum RR_TOV to recover from this
double error and it needs to be 7*REC_TOV. Do we increase the timeout
for the double error case or consider it an unrecoverable error and
abort the exchange?  Carl prefers changing RR_TOV.

Charles Binford asked it we would have an in-order timeout shorter than
an out-of-order timeout? Carl said he would prefer one set of values
that everyone uses. Carl suggested that action be deferred until next
month and that the group review the proposal.

+++Joint T10/T11.3+++
7. FCP-2 T10 Working Drafts FCP2R04 Bob Snively
Letter Ballot Results/Comments T10/00-005r0
Letter Ballot Comments T10/00-150r1

Bob wants to cover all technical comments as perceived by either him or
the commenter and all editorial comments that he disagrees with.

Bob has color coded his letter ballot comments document. The black text
is unresolved editorial comments while the red text is unresolved
technical comments. Blue text are comments that have been resolved and
accepted.

George Penokie and Ralph Weber discussed whether the FCP-2 should
reference another document by mnemonic or number? The decision was to
use the mnemonics. 

George Penokie noted that killing the MCM proposal reverts Mode Page 19
to its original length. Bob agreed and will correct the text.

Bob spent the rest of the meeting and the following SCSI Protocol
meeting reviewing the comments from Crossroads and HP.

8. New Business

+++Admin+++
9. Next Meeting Requirements Dale LaFollette

Dale commented that we will need all the time we can get in the next
meeting.

10 Review New Action Items: Stewart Wyatt

New Action Items:
#1 Paul Suhler - Revise proposal for Set Command, T10/00-159v0.
#2 Ralph Weber - will take the recommendations to the plenary made in
today's meeting to the SCSI plenary.
#3 Carl Zeitler - Continue BA_ACC discussion off line and return with a
proposal
#4 Group - Review Carl's proposal extending RR_TOV proposal for action
next month
#5 Dave Peterson - Create and champion new SSC version proposal

Old Forwarded Action Items:
#6 Bob Snively - FS end exchange cases needs to include class 3 of lost
FCP_CONF. Check for other new end exchange cases.
#7 Neil Wanamaker - Revise proposal defining behavior when both target
and initiator bits are set in PRLI.
#8 Charles Binford - Proposal for target to inform initiator of cleared
commands.
#9 Bob Snively - Request Bill Martin to review out-of-order proposal for
corner case problems.

11. Adjournment: The meeting adjourned at noon.

Note: FCP-2 Letter Ballot Comment Resolution will continue in the SCSI
Protocol meeting from 1-6 PM!

Attendance:
Dale LaFollette                        StorageTek
Erich Oetting                        StorageTek
Bob Snively                        SUN                        Carl
Zeitler                        Compaq
Stewart Wyatt                        HP                        Paul
Suhler                        Seagate
Jim Coomes                        Seagate                        Matt
Wakeley                        HP/Agilient
Arlan Stone                        UNISYS                        Pak
Seto                        Quantum                                  
Neil Wanamaker                        Crossroads Systems
John Tyndall                        Crossroads Systems
Gene Milligan                        Seagate
Ralph Weber                        ENDL              
Nathan Hastad                        General Dynamics Information
Systems
Eugene Lew                        Fujitsu                        George
Penokie                        IBM
Charles Binford                        LSI Logic
Pak Seto                        Quantum          
Mike Fitzpatrick                        Fujitsu CPA
Paul Aloisi                        TI
John Scheible                        IBM

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Minutes<span
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</span>T11/00-167v0.pdf</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Dallas, Texas, March 6, 2000</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Stewart Wyatt, Secretary</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Dale =
LaFollette</span></font></p>

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The facilitator, Dale LaFollette called the meeting to order at =
9AM. He
thanked TI for hosting the meeting and had the participants introduce
themselves.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>2. Approve this agenda: <span =
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</span><span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
</span>T11/00-138v0 <span style=3D'mso-tab-count:
1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span><span =
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</span><span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Dale =
LaFollette</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>3. Approve 01/13/00 minutes: <span =
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</span>T11/00-118v0
<span style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
</span><span style=3D'mso-tab-count:
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</span>Stewart
Wyatt</span></font></p>

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Approved with two amendments as noted in reflector traffic. =
Stewart
will issue revised minutes with the corrections.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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</span>Stewart
Wyatt</span></font></p>

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#1. Carl Zeitler - Update the Out-Of-Order proposal drawings in
T10/00-137r0. Completed

#2. Carl Zeitler - Determine the correct response to a lost =
ACK: BA_RJT
or BA_ACC. On today's agenda

#3. Bob Snively - End exchange cases in FC-PH does not include =
the
class 3 case of lost FCP_CONF. Needs to be added to FC-FS. Check for =
other
cases. On going

#5. Paul Suhler - SSC letter ballot comment requesting =
restoring the
Set Capacity command. Paul will investigate some other means of =
limiting the
available capacity of a large tape. Completed and on today's =
agenda

#6. Neil Wanamaker - Revise proposal defining behavior with =
both target
and initiator bits set in PRLI. Ongoing

#7. Paul Suhler - Revise proposal for Large Block Addresses in =
the SSC.
Completed

#8. Charles Binford: Proposal to notify initiators of cleared =
commands
to be taken to the SCSI working group. On going

#9.=A0 Bob Snively: =
Include
revised Annex E (T11/99-340v3) in the next revision of the FCP-2. =
Completed in
FCP-2 revision 4. This item is still open and the subject of a letter =
ballot
comment. Closed

#10.=A0 Bill Martin: =
Bob Snively
requests that Bill Martin review the Out-Of-Order proposal looking for =
corner
case problems. Bob has not made the request to Bill

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5. New Business

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     Block Addresses T10/00-135r1 Paul Suhler</span></font></li>
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Paul reviewed his proposal. Dale asked for a vote of acceptance =
for a
future revision of the SSC. George suggested that it be taken to the =
plenary
for a vote. Ralph will reserve the op codes.

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Dale LaFollette made the motion that this working group propose =
to the
T10 plenary to accept this proposal, 00-135r1 as amended, for inclusion =
in a
future version of the SSC (SSC-2). Paul Suhler seconded the motion, =
which
passed with 9 in favor, 0 opposed and 1 abstained.

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.5in'><font
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     Review Comment T10/00-159r0 Paul Suhler</span></font></li>
</ol>

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Paul considered several options using mode pages. He found none =
of them
to be acceptable. Neil Wanamaker was concerned that mode pages would =
apply to
the device and not to the medium. In this case and some others the mode =
page
should apply exclusively to that particular medium. There was some =
discussion
on that point. After considering the options, Paul Suhler recommended =
that the
Set Capacity command be revived for a future version of the SSC. =

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Paul made a motion that this working group recommend that T10 =
reject
his public review comment and consider the concept proposed in the =
comment for
inclusion in a future version of the SSC. Seconded by Dale LaFollette. =
For 10,
opposed 0, abstained 3.

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     of the SSC.</span></font></li>
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Dale noted that Dave Peterson has indicated that he would be =
willing to
be the editor of a new version of the SSC. Dave also will start the =
preparation
of a new project proposal for SSC-2 to be presented in a future T10 =
working
group meeting.

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6. New Business

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     Zeitler T11/00-133v1</span></font></li>
</ol>

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12.0pt'><![if =
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Carl worked through some overheads to define the issue. A =
discussion
followed about how a target would avoid confusing a new command with =
the same
OX-ID, with the previous one with the missing ACK - a unique RX-ID is =
required.
Charles Binford and Bob Snively looked at some multiple frame loss =
cases which
complicated sorting out the exchanges. As the discussion began to bog =
down,
Carl said he would take it off line and sort the issues =
out.

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<ol style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in' start=3D2 type=3DA>
 <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list =
.5in'><font
     size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>R_R_TOV Carl
     Zeitler T11/00-145v0</span></font></li>
</ol>

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Carl reported that this issue resulted from a conversation with =
Rob
Basham (IBM). After a discussion about recovering resources in Class 3 =
after an
error, the conclusion was reached that RR_TOV needs to be lengthened. =
Carl's
example assumed an FCP-RSP is lost and then the SRR is lost also. Carl
calculated the minimum RR_TOV to recover from this double error and it =
needs to
be 7*REC_TOV. Do we increase the timeout for the double error case or =
consider
it an unrecoverable error and abort the exchange?=A0 Carl prefers changing RR_TOV.

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Charles Binford asked it we would have an in-order timeout =
shorter than
an out-of-order timeout? Carl said he would prefer one set of values =
that
everyone uses. Carl suggested that action be deferred until next month =
and that
the group review the proposal.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>+++Joint T10/T11.3+++</span></font></p>

7. FCP-2 T10 Working Drafts FCP2R04 Bob =
Snively

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Letter Ballot Results/Comments T10/00-005r0</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Letter Ballot Comments T10/00-150r1</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Bob wants to cover all technical comments as perceived by =
either him or
the commenter and all editorial comments that he disagrees =
with.</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

Bob has color coded his letter ballot comments document. The =
black text
is unresolved editorial comments while the red text is unresolved =
technical
comments. Blue text are comments that have been resolved and =
accepted.

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

George Penokie and Ralph Weber discussed whether the FCP-2 =
should reference
another document by mnemonic or number? The decision was to use the =
mnemonics.

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

George Penokie noted that killing the MCM proposal reverts Mode =
Page 19
to its original length. Bob agreed and will correct the =
text.

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Bob spent the rest of the meeting and the following SCSI =
Protocol <span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
</span>meeting reviewing the comments from
Crossroads and HP.</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

8. New Business

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>+++Admin+++</span></font></p>

9. Next Meeting Requirements Dale LaFollette

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Dale commented that we will need all the time we can get in the =
next
meeting.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>10 Review New Action Items: Stewart Wyatt</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>New Action Items:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>#1 Paul Suhler - Revise proposal for Set Command, =
T10/00-159v0.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>#2 Ralph Weber - will take the recommendations to the plenary =
made in
today's meeting to the SCSI plenary.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>#3 Carl Zeitler - Continue BA_ACC discussion off line and =
return with a
proposal</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>#4 Group - Review Carl's proposal extending RR_TOV proposal for =
action
next month</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>#5 Dave Peterson - Create and champion new SSC version =
proposal</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Old Forwarded Action Items:</span></font></p>

#6 Bob Snively - FS end exchange cases needs to include class 3 =
of lost
FCP_CONF. Check for other new end exchange cases.

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>#7 Neil Wanamaker - Revise proposal defining behavior when both =
target
and initiator bits are set in PRLI.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>#8 Charles Binford - Proposal for target to inform initiator of =
cleared
commands.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>#9 Bob Snively - Request Bill Martin to review out-of-order =
proposal
for corner case problems.</span></font></p>

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12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

11. Adjournment: The meeting adjourned at =
noon.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Note: FCP-2 Letter Ballot Comment Resolution will continue in =
the SCSI
Protocol meeting from 1-6 PM!</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.75in 3.0in 4.75in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Attendance:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Dale =
LaFollette<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>StorageTek<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Erich Oetting<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>StorageTek</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Bob =
Snively<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>SUN<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Carl Zeitler<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Compaq</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Stewart =
Wyatt<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>HP<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Paul Suhler<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Seagate</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Jim =
Coomes<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Seagate<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Matt Wakeley<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>HP/Agilient</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Arlan =
Stone<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>UNISYS<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Pak Seto<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Quantum<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Neil =
Wanamaker<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Crossroads Systems<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>John Tyndall<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Crossroads Systems</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Gene =
Milligan<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Seagate<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Ralph Weber<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>ENDL<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
</span></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Nathan =
Hastad<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>General Dynamics
Information Systems</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Eugene =
Lew<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Fujitsu<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>George Penokie<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>IBM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Charles =
Binford<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>LSI Logic<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Pak Seto<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Quantum<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span></span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Mike =
Fitzpatrick<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Fujitsu CPA<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>Paul Aloisi<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>TI</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'tab-stops:1.5in 3.25in 4.5in'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>John =
Scheible<span
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>IBM</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><![if =
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