Draft Minutes of T10 Plenary Meeting #34 -- November 4, 1999
John Lohmeyer
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Wed Nov 10 10:15:36 PST 1999
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National Committee for Information Technology Standards (NCITS)
Doc. No.: T10/99-310r0
Date: November 10, 1999
Reply to: John Lohmeyer
To: T10 Membership
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Subject: Minutes of T10 Plenary Meeting #34 -- November 4, 1999
Monterey, CA
Agenda
1. Opening Remarks
2. Approval of Agenda
3. Attendance and Membership
3.1 Voting procedures
4. Approval of Minutes - September `99 Meeting - Huntington Beach, CA
(T10/99-269r1)
5. Document Distribution
6. Call for Patents
7. Review of Old Action Items
8. Project Status Reports
8.1 Project Status Summary and NCITS Liaison [Lohmeyer]
8.2 SCSI Common Access Method - 3 (CAM-3) Status {Project 990-D} [Dallas]
8.3 SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Peterson]
8.4 SCSI Fibre Channel Protocol - 2 (FCP-2) {Project 1144-D} [Snively]
8.5 SCSI Architecture Model - 2 (SAM-2) {Project 1157-D} [Weber]
8.6 Multimedia Command Set - 2 (MMC-2) Status {Project 1228-D} [Roberts]
8.7 SCSI Primary Commands - 2 (SPC-2) Status {Project 1236-D} [Weber]
8.8 Reduced Block Commands (RBC) {Project 1240-D} [McLean]
8.9 SCSI Parallel Interface - 3 (SPI-3) {Project 1302-D} [Penokie]
8.10 MultiMedia Command Set - 3 (MMC-3) {Project 1363-D} [Roberts]
8.11 Reduced MultiMedia Command Set (RMC) {Project 1364-D} [McFerrin]
8.12 SCSI Parallel Interface - 4 (SPI-4) {Project 1365-D} [Penokie]
8.13 SCSI Domain Validation Technical Report (SDV) {Project 1378-DT}
[Lamers]
8.14 SCSI on Scheduled Transfer (SST) {Project 1380-D} [Woelz]
8.15 SCSI Medium Changer Commands - 2 (SMC-2) {Project 1383-D} [Oetting]
9. Old Business
9.1 Resolution of SSC letter ballot comments (99-011r2) [Peterson]
9.2 Project Proposal for SCSI Signal Modeling TR (99-243r1) [Ham/Wallace]
9.3 Project Proposal for SCSI VI Protocol (SVP) (99-246r1) [Gardner]
10. New Business
10.1 Report on T10 Procedures Study Group Meeting [Lohmeyer]
10.2 Actions on Working Group Recommendations
10.2.1 Project proposal for object-based storage devices command set (OSD)
(99-312r0) [Houlder]
10.2.2 Project Proposal for SCSI Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) (99-293r1)
[Weber]
10.2.3 Project Proposal for SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) (99-294r1)
[Weber]
10.2.4 Project Proposal for SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) (99-292r1)
[Weber]
10.2.5 MRIE behavior with TEST bit asserted (99-208r2) [Elliott]
10.2.6 List lengths that exceed maximum allocation length (99-258r2)
[Penokie]
10.2.7 Description Lengths for 5D ASC/ASCQs (99-266r2) [Weber]
10.2.8 Fixed Block Length (99-325) [Snively]
10.2.9 The MAMA bit (99-263r1) [Oetting]
10.3 READ/WRITE BUFFER Behavior During Domain Validation (99-306) [Lamers]
11. ISO
11.1 ISO Report [Milligan]
11.2 ISO Business [Milligan]
11.2.1 Editing RBC for ISO (99-284r0) [Roberts]
12. Liaison Reports
12.1 T11 Liaison Report [Wanamaker]
12.2 T13 Liaison Report [Milligan]
12.3 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
12.4 IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
12.5 IEEE P1285 Status
12.6 SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Jones/Aloisi]
13. Review of Action Items
14. Meeting Schedule
14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings
15. Adjournment
Results of Meeting
1. Opening Remarks
John Lohmeyer, the T10 Chair, called the meeting to order at 9:00 a.m.,
Thursday November 4, 1999. He thanked Larry Lamers of Adaptec for hosting the
meeting.
John said that NCITS Subgroup Membership forms and the T10 Mailing
Subscription form were available on the document table. He said that people
should use the NCITS forms to insure the NCITS Secretariat has the latest
membership information. These forms should be mailed directly to the NCITS
Secretariat.
As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves and a copy of the
attendance list was circulated. Copies of the draft agenda and general
information on T10 were made available to those attending.
2. Approval of Agenda
The draft agenda was approved with the following additions/changes:
10.2.1 Project proposal for object-oriented disk command set (OSD)
(99-312r0) [Houlder]
10.2.2 Project Proposal for SCSI Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) (99-293r1)
[Weber]
10.2.3 Project Proposal for SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) (99-294r1)
[Weber]
10.2.4 Project Proposal for SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) (99-292r1)
[Weber]
10.2.5 MRIE behavior with TEST bit asserted (99-208r2) [Elliott]
10.2.6 List lengths that exceed maximum allocation length (99-258r2)
[Penokie]
10.2.7 Description Lengths for 5D ASC/ASCQs (99-266r2) [Weber]
10.2.8 Fixed Block Length (99-325) [Snively]
10.2.9 The MAMA bit (99-263r1) [Oetting]
10.3 READ/WRITE BUFFER Behavior During Domain Validation (99-306) [Lamers]
The following agenda items were added/revised during the course of the
meeting:
11.2.1 Editing RBC for ISO (99-284r0) [Roberts]
3. Attendance and Membership
The membership requirements were reviewed. NCITS rules permit one vote per
organization. An individual from a new organization must attend two out of
three consecutive plenary meetings. He/she may apply for voting membership
the second meeting via a letter to the Chair of T10. The individual may apply
for membership and begin voting at anytime following adjournment of the first
meeting. Typically, the individual applies for membership and start casting
votes at the second plenary meeting. Working group and other ad hoc meetings
do not count toward attendance requirements.
An option that allows a person attending their first meeting to become a
voting member immediately following that meeting, provided their NCITS fees
have been paid, permits a new member to vote on letter ballots issued between
his/her first and second meetings. Unfortunately, this option also means that
the new organization is immediately in attendance jeopardy.
To maintain membership, organizations must pay the NCITS Service Fee ($300).
The ANSI International Program Fee (also $300) is billed at the same time.
John briefly discussed the mailing fees. Complete pricing information is
contained in the 2000 membership form (available at
ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/mem_form.txt).
There are also minimum attendance requirements to maintain voting membership
on T10. If a member organization fails to attend two of the last three T10
meetings, they are warned that failing to attend the next T10 meeting would
result in their membership being terminated. The Chair said he had sent
letters to 14 people from 7 organizations informing them that their membership
was in jeopardy due to non-attendance (see 99-014r0) and that their membership
would be terminated if they did not attend this meeting. The following
organizations were in attendance jeopardy:
AMP, Inc.
Apple Computer
General Dynamics
Hewlett Packard Co.
Hitachi Storage Products
Honda Connectors
Iomega Corp.
All of the organizations were present except:
Apple Computer
They were terminated due to lack of attendance (i.e., the principal member was
changed to observer status and the first alternate member, if any, was
dropped; additional alternates, if any, were changed to observers).
Mylex was removed from the T10 membership role since the company was purchased
by T10 member IBM. The T10 members from Mylex were made alternate members for
IBM. Unitrode was removed from the T10 membership role since the company was
purchased by T10 member Texas Instruments. The T10 members from Unitrode were
made alternate members for Texas Instruments.
No organizations requested new (or reinstated) membership.
The T10 membership during the meeting was 42 organizations down from 45
organizations following the last meeting. Enclosure (1) is the list of the
people present at the meeting and enclosure (2) is the current T10 membership
list.
3.1 Voting procedures
John Lohmeyer reported that NCITS has approved changes to two week rule and
abstentions. John noted that he had been unable to review the details of the
changes and would follow the new procedures to the best of his ability.
For the two-week rule, the two-week period is measured to the start of the
relevant meeting. Also, documents revised at a meeting are not subject to the
two-week rule provided the document being modified met the two-week rule. John
stated that he will follow to, the best of his ability, the new rule, allowing
documents that were available two-weeks prior to the meeting to be processed
even if the document is revised during a working group meeting earlier in the
week.
The rule about not allowing abstentions on technical issues is has been
revised to permit abstentions provided a
reason is stated. Such abstentions are not considered in calculating whether
the motion met the 50% or 2/3rds
voting requirements. John stated that he will be allowing abstentions as per
the new rule.
4. Approval of Minutes - September `99 Meeting - Huntington Beach, CA
(T10/99-269r1)
The minutes were approved as written.
5. Document Distribution
Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Monica Vago (mvago at itic.org) (202) 626-5741.
John Lohmeyer requested that all documents for the next mailing be in his
hands in electronic format by 10:30 a.m. on Thursday November 11, 1999.
Documents received after this time will go into a subsequent mailing.
John reminded the committee of the requirements for document submission.
Since T10 meets its document retention requirements by preparing mailings,
documents included in the mailing must be suitable for archiving. This means
that native-format and/or Portable Document Format (PDF) electronic originals
with proper identification must be submitted.
The electronic copies can be sent directly to John by email (at
lohmeyer at t10.org), or they can be transferred by ftp protocol to ftp.t10.org
and placed in the /incoming directory. In the latter case, please also send
email to John informing him of the file name and location of the file.
Minutes are available on the T10 World Wide Web page (see below), and are
distributed to the T10 Reflector.
To be added to the T10 Reflector, send an email to majordomo at t10.org with the
line 'subscribe t10' in the message body.
The NCITS Secretariat maintains a World Wide Web page at
http://www.ncits.org/. LSI Logic maintains a World Wide Web page on behalf of
T10 on a server provided by the SCSI Trade Association at:
http://www.t10.org/
The current document register is enclosure (3). The T10 document register is
also available at:
ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/dr.txt
Roger Cummings reported on the mirror of the T10 web being hosted by DPT at
http://www.t11.org/t10 (see 99-346r0).
6. Call for Patents
This is a regular agenda item to identify any potential patent issues with
developing standards and technical reports.
A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge. This document is
also on the WWW at http://www.ncits.org/help/ansi_sdo.html. Section 1.2.11
contains the ANSI patent policy. Amy Marasco manages patent issues for ANSI
and can be contacted at amarasco at ansi.org or 212-642-4954.
A call for patents was made. There were no responses.
7. Review of Old Action Items
319) Gene Milligan will submit a NWIP and a CD contribution for RBC to
ISO/IEC for consideration. Carryover
328) John Lohmeyer and Larry Lamers will provide the SPI-3 editor with the
electronic information used to include the dedication in SPI. Carryover
334) Gene Milligan will initiate fast track processing of NCITS:325:1998
(SBP-2). Carryover
335) Gene Milligan will create an NWIP and CD contribution for MMC-2
revision 11a. Carryover
336) Ron Roberts (or John Lohmeyer) will give RBC revision 10a to the IR in
source and PDF format. Carryover
337) Ron Roberts (or John Lohmeyer) will give MMC-2 revision 11a to the IR
in source and PDF format. Carryover
338) Larry Lamers will request minutes for the June CAM-3 review meeting
|from Bill Dallas. Carryover
341) Ralph Weber will create a version descriptor entry for SPI-3 revision
10 in SPC-2. Complete
342) Ralph Weber will add MMC-3 (project 1363-D) to the version descriptors
list in SPC-2. Complete
343) Ralph Weber will add RMC (project 1364-D) to the version descriptors
list in SPC-2. Complete
344) Ralph Weber will add SPI-4 (project 1365-D) to the version descriptors
list in SPC-2. Complete
345) John Lohmeyer will forward 99-239r1 to NCITS for processing as a new
project request for a SCSI on Scheduled Transfer (SST) standard. Complete
346) Erich Oetting will provide 99-218r2, a revised new project request for
the SCSI Medium Changer Commands -2 (SMC-2), to John Lohmeyer. Complete
347) John Lohmeyer will forward 99-218r2 to NCITS for processing as a new
project request for a SCSI Medium Changer Commands -2 (SMC-2) standard.
Complete
8. Project Status Reports
8.1 Project Status Summary and NCITS Liaison [Lohmeyer]
John Lohmeyer said that the current T10 project status summary was included in
the T10 Information Packages distributed prior to the meeting and will be
included in the mailing as usual.
8.2 SCSI Common Access Method - 3 (CAM-3) Status {Project 990-D} [Dallas]
In the absence of Bill Dallas, no report was presented.
8.3 SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Peterson]
Erich Oetting reported on the SSC activities at the T11 Joint Working Group
(report in 99-342 and minutes in 99-348).
8.4 SCSI Fibre Channel Protocol - 2 (FCP-2) {Project 1144-D} [Snively]
Bob Snively reported on the FCP-2 activities in the T11 Joint Working Group
(report in 99-342 and minutes in 99-348).
Bob noted that the current revision of FCP-2 is 3 and that revision 4 is in
development. Document 99-235 describes the changes in FCP-2 for revision 4.
Bob Snively asked that a letter ballot be conducted after revision 4 is ready.
Bob Snively took an action item to prepare FCP-2 revision 4. John Lohmeyer
took an action item to conduct a letter ballot on FCP-2 revision 4.
8.5 SCSI Architecture Model - 2 (SAM-2) {Project 1157-D} [Weber]
Ralph Weber reported that he has been unable to develop the proposals for
specific additional changes to SAM-2 regarding multi-port devices. He noted
that a new revision of SAM-2 will not be generated at this time, due to the
small number of proposals and the minimal content of the change requests.
8.6 Multimedia Command Set - 2 (MMC-2) Status {Project 1228-D} [Roberts]
Ron Roberts reported that he has received changes from the ANSI editor (Harvey
Rosenfeld). He reported that two comments have been received during public
review (99-333). He stated that the recommendation of the working group is
that both comments not be accepted.
Pete McLean moved that T10 forward the working group recommended response to
the public review comments to NCITS and that T10 recommend to NCITS that MMC-2
be forwarded to ANSI publication. Bill McFerrin seconded the motion. The
motion passed 31:0:0:11=42.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to write letters to the people who commented
on MMC-2 thanking them for comments, to forward 99-333r0 to NCITS as the
resolution for the public review comments on MMC-2, and to ask NCITS to
forward MMC-2 to ANSI for publication.
8.7 SCSI Primary Commands - 2 (SPC-2) Status {Project 1236-D} [Weber]
Ralph Weber reported that SPC-2 revision 12 has been available for nearly six
weeks and contains all the committee-approved changes, including those
approved at the September meeting. He stated that SPC-2 revision 14 will be
generated following this meeting and will contain all changes approved at this
meeting.
Ralph Weber moved that SPC-2 revision 12 be accepted as a committee draft for
project 1236-D. Neil Wanamaker seconded the motion. The motion passed
28:2:0:12=42. Ralph Weber took an action item to create a SPC-2 version
descriptor for SPC-2 revision 12.
8.8 Reduced Block Commands (RBC) {Project 1240-D} [McLean]
John Lohmeyer reported that RBC is in second public review closing 7 November.
8.9 SCSI Parallel Interface - 3 (SPI-3) {Project 1302-D} [Penokie]
John Lohmeyer reported that the letter ballot on SPI-3 passed 34:7:1:3=45
(99-016). George Penokie started resolution of the approximately 400 comments
at the Physical Working Group meeting (minutes in 99-308).
George reported that resolution has been reached for most of the technical
issues. He asked the committee to review the fairness annex, which would be
rewritten if one letter ballot comment is accepted. George stated that the
comments resolution process will continue in private conversations and the
meeting proposed for Rochester in December. George stated an intention to
have a comments resolution document available for approval at the January
meeting.
8.10 MultiMedia Command Set - 3 (MMC-3) {Project 1363-D} [Roberts]
John Lohmeyer reported that MMC-3 revision 00a will be available on the web
site in a few days. Ron Roberts reported that revision 1 will be available in
time for the March meetings. Ron noted that the new streaming data material
(from the Mt. Fuji working group) first appeared in revision 00a and will be
corrected and enhanced in MMC-3 revision 1.
Ron Roberts stated that Bill McFerrin will be reporting for MMC-3 in the
future.
8.11 Reduced MultiMedia Command Set (RMC) {Project 1364-D} [McFerrin]
Bill McFerrin reported that the revision 1 of RMC had been distributed. John
Lohmeyer asked if the revision had been provided for the T10 web site and Bill
agreed to provide it.
8.12 SCSI Parallel Interface - 4 (SPI-4) {Project 1365-D} [Penokie]
George Penokie reported on the working group activities on SPI-4 (minutes in
99-308). He stated that the first draft of SPI-4 probably will not be
available until March or April. He noted that significant effort is required
on the part of many companies to get the SPI-4 proposals polished enough for a
first SPI-4 draft.
8.13 SCSI Domain Validation Technical Report (SDV) {Project 1378-DT}
[Lamers]
Larry Lamers reported that the first draft of SDV will be available before
February, maybe as early as December. He stated that the project is
generating a lot of interest and that teleconferences may be used to work on
some of the early issues.
8.14 SCSI on Scheduled Transfer (SST) {Project 1380-D} [Woelz]
Don Woelz reported that the entire SST document (99-276r0) was reviewed at a
T11.1 working group meeting. Don requested authorization for review meetings
held during the T11 meeting weeks in December and February (see item 14.1).
Ralph Weber took an action item to create an SPC-2 version descriptor for SST.
8.15 SCSI Medium Changer Commands - 2 (SMC-2) {Project 1383-D} [Oetting]
Erich Oetting reported that the first revision of SMC-2 should be available in
January. He noted that the tape alert information will be the principle new
content in the first SMC-2 revision.
Ralph Weber took an action item to create an SPC-2 version descriptor for
SMC-2.
9. Old Business
9.1 Resolution of SSC letter ballot comments (99-011r2) [Peterson]
Erich Oetting moved that the SSC project editor be instructed to generate SSC
revision 22 by incorporating into SSC revision 21 the changes approved under
agenda items 10.2.8 and 10.2.9; and to accept 99-228r4 as resolving the SCC
letter ballot comments; and to accept SSC revision 22 as resolving the letter
ballot comments. The motion passed 29:0:2:11=42. George Penokie stated that
his abstention was based on a concern that his comments may not have been
fully resolved. Doug Wagner stated that his abstention was based on a lack of
expertise in this specific project.
Based on the successful resolution of the letter ballot comments Stewart Watt
asked that the HP no vote on the SSC letter ballot be changed to a yes vote.
John Lohmeyer noted that SSC still will be forwarded to NCITS with two
unresolved negative votes; from IBM and Sun Microsystems.
Dave Peterson took an action item to generate SSC revision 22. Ralph Weber
took an action item to create an SPC-2 version descriptor for SSC revision 22.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward SSC revision 22 to NCITS with the
two unresolved negative votes for processing toward first public review.
9.2 Project Proposal for SCSI Signal Modeling TR (99-243r1) [Ham/Wallace]
Bill Ham moved that T10 approve 99-243r1 as a project proposal for the SCSI
Signal Modeling Technical Report. Ed Gardner seconded the motion. The motion
passed 33:0:0:9=42.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward 99-243r1 to NCITS as a T10
approved project proposal for the SCSI Signal Modeling Technical Report.
9.3 Project Proposal for SCSI VI Protocol (SVP) (99-246r1) [Gardner]
Ed Gardner moved that T10 approve 99-246r1 as a project proposal for the SCSI
VI Protocol standard. Mark Evans seconded the motion. The motion passed
31:0:2:9=42. Larry Lamers and Roger Cummings stated that their abstentions
were based on lack of expertise regarding the proposal.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward 99-246r1 to NCITS as a
T10-approved project proposal for the SCSI VI Protocol standard.
10. New Business
10.1 Report on T10 Procedures Study Group Meeting [Lohmeyer]
John Lohmeyer reported that a procedures study group meeting was held on
Monday of this week with 17 people present. He briefly described the topics
discussed.
10.2 Actions on Working Group Recommendations
10.2.1 Project proposal for object-based storage devices command set (OSD)
(99-312r0) [Houlder]
Gerry Houlder moved that T10 approve 99-312r0 as a project proposal for the
Object-based Storage Devices command set (OSD) standard. Ed Gardner invoked
the two-week rule and John Lohmeyer stated that the proposal will be on the
agenda for the January T10 meeting.
10.2.2 Project Proposal for SCSI Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) (99-293r1)
[Weber]
Ralph Weber moved that T10 approve 99-293r1 as a project proposal for the SCSI
Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) standard. Paul Aloisi seconded the motion.
Larry Lamers moved to table the consideration of the motion. Jeff Williams
seconded the motion to table. The motion to table passed 19:4. Dal Allan
stated that his no vote was based on the indeterminate state resulting from
the motion to table.
10.2.3 Project Proposal for SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) (99-294r1)
[Weber]
Ralph Weber moved that T10 approve 99-294r1 as a project proposal for the SCSI
Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) standard. Paul Aloisi seconded the motion. The
motion passed 28:0:0:14=42.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward 99-294r1 to NCITS as a
T10-approved project proposal for the SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3)
standard.
10.2.4 Project Proposal for SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) (99-292r1) [Weber]
George Penokie moved that T10 approve 99-292r1 as a project proposal for the
SCSI Block Commands -2 (SBC-2) standard. Paul Aloisi seconded the motion. The
motion passed 29:0:0:13=42.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward 99-292r1 to NCITS as a
T10-approved project proposal for the SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2)
standard.
10.2.5 MRIE behavior with TEST bit asserted (99-208r2) [Elliott]
Rob Elliott moved that 99-208r2 (MRIE behavior with TEST bit asserted) be
approved for inclusion in SPC-2. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The
motion passed 28:0:1:13=42.
10.2.6 List lengths that exceed maximum allocation length (99-258r2) [Penokie]
George Penokie moved that 99-258r2 (List lengths that exceed maximum
allocation length) be approved for inclusion in SPC-2 and SBC-2. Bill
Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed 28:0:0:14=42.
10.2.7 Description Lengths for 5D ASC/ASCQs (99-266r2) [Weber]
Ralph Weber moved that 99-266r2 (Description Lengths for 5D ASC/ASCQs) be
approved for inclusion in SPC-2. Mark Evans seconded the motion. The motion
passed 29:0:0:11=42.
10.2.8 Fixed Block Length (99-325) [Snively]
Bob Snively that for SSC a fixed block length be a multiple of 4 and for FCP-2
the starting Relative Offset for any FCP_DATA information unit be a multiple
of 4. Neil Wanamaker seconded the motion. The motion passed 31:0:0:11=42.
10.2.9 The MAMA bit (99-263r1) [Oetting]
Erich Oetting moved that section 3.2 of 99-263r2 (r1 as revised) be approved
for inclusion in SSC. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed
23:0:1:18=42.
10.3 READ/WRITE BUFFER Behavior During Domain Validation (99-306) [Lamers]
Larry Lamers reviewed the changes made to create 99-306r1. Erich Oetting
moved that consideration of 99-306r1 be remanded to the working group. Mark
Evans seconded the motion. The motion passed 22:3:3:14=42.
11. ISO
11.1 ISO Report [Milligan]
Gene Milligan provided the following ISO report:
The responses to MMC and SBC CD letter ballot comments are on hold until the
issue of canceling the Fast Track DIS ballot is resolved. See the September
T10 minutes (99-269). The T10 recommendation to cancel Fast Track was approved
by NCITS and forwarded to the JTC 1 Secretariat (ANSI). Action by ANSI is
pending.
Completion of editing for the ISO/IEC comments by the technical editor on SMC,
SES, and FCP is still pending and long overdue.
11.2 ISO Business [Milligan]
11.2.1 Editing RBC for ISO (99-284r0) [Roberts]
John Lohmeyer reported that Ron Roberts sent a quote of $10,000 for converting
RBC from the ANSI format to the ISO format. The quote can be found in
99-284r0. John noted that the T10 editors' fund should be able to cover cost.
The group discussed whether RBC should be an ISO standard, options for getting
the RBC editing done, and how fast track handling of RBC might affect the
editing requirements. Don Tolmie was recommended as a possible alternate
choice to perform the conversion. Several issues could not be resolved
without the presence of Gene Milligan so the topic was deferred to the next
meeting.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to contact Don Tolmie for an alternate
quotation for conversion of RBC to ISO format.
12. Liaison Reports
12.1 T11 Liaison Report [Wanamaker]
Neil Wanamaker made an oral report to the committee and provided an electronic
report in 99-339r0.
12.2 T13 Liaison Report [Milligan]
Pete McLean reported that T13 has withdrawn ATA-1. Review of the Signal
Integrity annex in ATA-5 is completed and ATA-5 should go to letter ballot
after the December meeting. The project proposal for ATA-6 was approved and
collection of work items has begun.
12.3 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
Dal Allan provided the following electronic report for the minutes:
SFF Committee Report November 1999
The revised SFF-8045, SFF-8430 MT-RJ, and SFF-8441 VHDCI were approved for
Publication and a number of specifications were Expired at their annual review
because they have been incorporated into standards.
INF-8038 for Intel's Bus Master specification would have been renewed for
another year except that Pete McLean advised that the contents of the
scatter/gather list have been changed and it would be misleading if it was
left available. It will be Expired.
The backplane project will analyze the 100-pin SCA-2 to determine whether it
can meet the characteristics required of dual port 10 Gbit performance, each
of which requires four sets of parallel 2.5 Gbs transfer pairs. The principles
of SFF-8410 will be followed in the evaluation.
The issues raised by Bill Ham on the SFF-8053 GBIC have been resolved, and
will be incorporated in the next revision.
The resistive tip for SCA-2 applications will not be specified unless there is
a resurgence of interest in its benefits for hot plugging.
The dimensions for current generation 5 1/4" CD ROMs provided by Pioneer will
be used to update SFF-8551.
There are differences between High Speed Serial Testing for copper and optical
and the first draft of SFF-8412 for the latter will be in the next mailing.
There are several SSWGs in the coming months:
11/16-17 SFF-8412 and SFF-8410 SSWG
1/25-26 SFF-8412 and SFF-8410 SSWG
2/ 9-10 INF-8090 SSWG
2/22-23 SFF-8412 and SFF-8410 SSWG
12.4 IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
No report.
12.5 IEEE P1285 Status
No report.
12.6 SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Jones/Aloisi]
Paul Aloisi made an oral report to the committee and provided an electronic
report in 99-344r0.
13. Review of Action Items
319) Gene Milligan will submit a NWIP and a CD contribution for RBC to
ISO/IEC for consideration.
328) John Lohmeyer and Larry Lamers will provide the SPI-3 editor with the
electronic information used to include the dedication in SPI.
334) Gene Milligan will initiate fast track processing of NCITS:325:1998
(SBP-2).
335) Gene Milligan will create an NWIP and CD contribution for MMC-2
revision 11a.
336) Ron Roberts (or John Lohmeyer) will give RBC revision 10a to the IR in
source and PDF format.
337) Ron Roberts (or John Lohmeyer) will give MMC-2 revision 11a to the IR
in source and PDF format.
338) Larry Lamers will request minutes for the June CAM-3 review meeting
|from Bill Dallas.
348) Ralph Weber will create a SPC-2 version descriptor for SPC-2 revision
12.
349) Ralph Weber will create a SPC-2 version descriptor for SST.
350) Ralph Weber will create a SPC-2 version descriptor for SMC-2.
351) Bob Snively will prepare FCP-2 revision 4 for letter ballot.
352) John Lohmeyer will conduct a letter ballot on FCP-2 revision 4.
353) John Lohmeyer will write letters to the people who commented on MMC-2
thanking them for comments, will forward 99-333r0 to NCITS as the resolution
for the public review comments on MMC-2, and will ask NCITS to forward MMC-2
to ANSI for publication.
354) Dave Peterson will generate SSC revision 22.
355) Ralph Weber will create an SPC-2 version descriptor for SSC revision
22.
356) John Lohmeyer will forward SSC revision 22 to NCITS with the two
unresolved negative votes for processing toward first public review.
357) John Lohmeyer will forward 99-243r1 to NCITS as a T10 approved project
proposal for the SCSI Signal Modeling Technical Report.
358) John Lohmeyer will forward 99-246r1 to NCITS as a T10 approved project
proposal for the SCSI VI Protocol standard.
359) John Lohmeyer will forward 99-294r1 to NCITS as a T10 approved project
proposal for the SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) standard.
360) John Lohmeyer will forward 99-292r1 to NCITS as a T10 approved project
proposal for the SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) standard.
361) John Lohmeyer will contact Don Tolmie for an alternate quotation or
work time estimate for conversion of RBC to ISO format.
362) Ralph Weber will ensure that the policy of requiring a two-thirds vote
to approve the scheduling of a plenary meeting outside the 48 contiguous
United States gets recorded in the revised T10 policies document.
14. Meeting Schedule
The next plenary meeting of T10 will be January 13, 2000 in Brisbane,
Australia at the Surfer's Paradise Marriott Resort (+61-7-55-929-800), hosted
by ENDL Pacific Technologies. The meeting will begin at 9:00 a.m. on
Thursday.
The meeting list for the next plenary week is:
January '00 Meeting Map
(11/04/99 Version)
Monday 1/10 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
+===============+===================+
| T10 Proc. SG | SCSI Physical WG | (50)
+---------------+===================+
| Mt. Fuji - 4 WG | (20)
+-----------------------------------+
Tuesday 1/11 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
+===================================+
| SCSI Physical WG | (50)
+===================================+
| MMC WG | (20)
+===================================+
Wednesday 1/12 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
+=======================================+
| SCSI WG | (50)
+======================+========+=======+
| MMC WG | SFF WG | SFF | (40)
+======================+--------+-------+
Thursday 1/13 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+===============+===================+
| T10 Plenary | Joint T10/T11.3 | (50)
+===============+===================+
(*) - Joint T10/T11.3 meeting begins 30 minutes
after the T10 plenary meeting but not before 11:00 am
Friday 1/14 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5
No Meetings are planned for Friday.
Meetings marked with == are T10-authorized meetings.
Meetings marked with -- are authorized by other groups and may change
without notice.
Other T10-authorized meetings:
Meeting Date Location / Contact
-------------- ------------------ --------------------------------------
Access Control 11/18/99 Thu 8:00a Teleconference / Elliott
Teleconference (CST)
Cable Perf. SG 11/30/99 Tue 9:00a Rochester, MN / Fasig
SCSI Model SG 12/01/99 Wed 9:00a Rochester, MN / Fasig
SPI-3/-4 WG 12/02/99 Thu 9:00a Rochester, MN / Williams
12/03/99 Fri 9:00a Rochester, MN / Williams
Joint T10/T11 12/07/99 Tue Reno, NV / T11
SST WG 12/08/99 Wed Reno, NV / T11
Cable Perf. SG 02/07/00 Mon 1:00p Huntington Beach, CA / Jones
SCSI Model SG 02/08/00 Tue 9:00a Huntington Beach, CA / Jones
SPI-4 02/09/00 Wed 1:00p Huntington Beach, CA / Jones
02/10/00 Thu 9:00a Huntington Beach, CA / Jones
Joint T10/T11 02/15/00 Tue Huntington Beach, CA / T11
SST WG 02/16/00 Wed Huntington Beach, CA / T11
Cable Perf. SG 02/29/00 Tue Manchester, NH / Daggett
SCSI Model SG 03/01/00 Wed Manchester, NH / Daggett
Meeting Map Abbreviation Key:
Amnd: Amendment
Cable Perf.: Cable Performance Testing
CAM: Common Access Method
CAM-3: Next generation CAM for SCSI-3
EPI: SCSI Enhanced Parallel Interface (Technical Report)
Encl Profile Enclosure Profile Study Group
Fast-20: Data Transfer at 20 Mega-transfers/second (a.k.a., Ultra)
Fast-40: Data Transfer at 40 Mega-transfers/second (a.k.a., Ultra2)
Fast-80: Data Transfer at 80 Mega-transfers/second (a.k.a., Ultra3)
FC: Fibre Channel
FC-AL: Fibre Channel - Arbitrated Loop (a T11 project)
FCLC: Fibre Channel Loop Community (not an NCITS activity)
I/F: Interface
HAP: High Availability Profile (Technical Report)
LB: Letter Ballot
MMC-2: Multimedia Commands - 2 (CD-ROM, DVD, etc.)
PH: Physical (Connectors, Cables, Transceivers, etc.)
Plenary: Full Committee Meeting
RAID: Redundant Array of Independent Devices
RBC: Reduced Block Commands
SBC: SCSI-3 Block Commands
SBP-2: Serial Bus Protocol for IEEE 1394 (2nd generation protocol)
SCC-2: SCSI Controller Commands - 2 (2nd generation RAID command set)
SCSI: Small Computer System Interface
SES: SCSI Enclosure Services
SCSI Harbor: A STA project on defining a wrapper for SCSI devices
SFF: SFF Industry Group (not an NCITS activity)
SG: Study Group
SMC: SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands
SPC-2: SCSI Primary Commands - 2 (2nd generation)
SPI-2: Second Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SPI-3: Third Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SSA: Serial Storage Interface
SSC: SCSI-3 Stream Commands (includes Tape)
SSWGs: Specific-Subject Working Groups
STA: SCSI Trade Association (not an NCITS activity)
STA Tech: STA Technical Meeting (T10 members invited)
T10: Lower Level Interfaces Technical Committee
T10 Proc.: T10 Procedures
WG: Working Group (same as Ad Hoc Group)
Ralph Weber moved that T10 adopt a policy of requiring a two-thirds vote to
approve the scheduling of a plenary meeting outside the 48 contiguous United
States. George Penokie seconded the motion. The motion passed 28:0:3:11=42.
Ralph Weber took an action item to ensure that the policy gets recorded in the
revised T10 policies document.
For more information about T10 activities, please contact the following
people:
Activity Contact Telephone/Email
---------------------------- --------------- ------------------------------
CAM-3 Bill Dallas (603) 881-2508
dallas at zk3.dec.com
EPI Bill Ham (508) 841-2629
bill.ham at digital.com
FCP, FCP-2, SES Robert Snively (415) 336-5332
Bob.Snively at eng.sun.com
GPP Gary Stephens (602) 321-1725
grsfsi at aol.com
SBC Gene Milligan (405) 324-3070
gene_milligan at notes.seagate.com
MMC, MMC-2, MMC-3, RMC Bill McFerrin (303) 651-5400
BMcFerrin at aol.com
SBP-2 or RBC Pete McLean (303) 678-2149
pete_mclean at maxtor.com
SBP-2 Peter Johansson (510) 527-3926
pjohansson at aol.com
SCC-2, SPI-2, SPI-3, SPI-4 George Penokie (507) 253-5208
gop at us.ibm.com
SMC Erich Oetting (303) 673-2178
Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
SPC, SPC-2, SAM-2 Ralph Weber (972) 503-3205 x228
roweber at acm.org
SSA-PH1,-PH2,-TL1,-TL2 Larry Lamers (408) 957-7817
ljlamers at ieee.org
SSA-S2P & -S3P John Scheible (512) 823-8208
Scheible at vnet.ibm.com
SSC Dave Peterson (612) 391-1008
dap at network.com
Other Activities John Lohmeyer (719) 533-7560
lohmeyer at t10.org
The long-term T10 meeting week schedule is:
Date Location Host/Comments
------------------ ------------------------- -----------------------------
Jan 10-14, 2000 Brisbane, Australia ENDL Pacific Technologies
Mar 6-10, 2000 Dallas, TX Texas Instruments
May 15-19, 2000 Nashua, NH Hitachi Cable / dates changed
Jul 10-14, 2000 Colorado Springs, CO LSI Logic
Sep 11-15, 2000 Huntington Beach, CA QLogic
Oct 30-Nov 3, 2000 Monterey, CA Adaptec / dates changed
Jan 15-19, 2001 (open)
Mar 5-9, 2001 Dallas, TX Texas Instruments
May 7-11, 2001 Manchester, NH Hitachi Cable
Jul 16-20, 2001 Colorado Springs, CO LSI Logic
Sep 10-14, 2001 Huntington Beach, CA QLogic
Nov 5-9, 2001 Monterey, CA Adaptec
14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings
John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under the
same voting procedures as does T10 (that is, one vote per organization) and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee. Ad
hoc groups should strive to achieve consensus prior to bringing issues to T10.
John Lohmeyer moved that T10 authorize the T10-related meetings and events in
the list above that had not previously been approved. Mark Evans seconded the
motion. The motion passed 19:1:0:22=42. John noted that Gene Milligan had
submitted a written No vote on this motion opposing the SPI-4 dates in
December, which are in conflict with a T13 meeting, and opposed to the
proposed February 2000 dates. While the February dates were changed in a
manner that accommodates Gene, the December dates were unchanged. John
interpreted Gene's written vote would remain No unless both dates were
changed.
15. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 12:35 p.m. on Thursday November 4, 1999.
Enclosure(1) -- Meeting Attendees
Name S Organization Electronic Mail Address
---------------------- -- ------------------------- -------------------------
Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers P Adaptec, Inc. ljlamers at ieee.org
Mr. Robert Frey P Advansys bobf at advansys.com
Mr. Charles Brill P AMP, Inc. cebrill at ix.netcom.com
Mr. Bart Raudebaugh P Ancot Corp. bart at ancot.com
Mr. Gregg Neely P Andataco greggn at andataco.com
Mr. Douglas Wagner P Berg Electronics wagnerdl at bergelect.com
Mr. Bill Galloway P BREA Technologies, Inc. billg at breatech.com
Mr. Dennis Lang A Circuit Assembly Corp. dennisl at circuitassembly.
com
Mr. Robert C. Elliott P Compaq Computer Corp. Robert.Elliott at compaq.com
Dr. William Ham A Compaq Computer Corp. bill.ham at digital.com
Mr. Neil Wanamaker P Crossroads Systems, Inc. ntw at crossroads.com
Mr. Charles Tashbook P Dallas Semiconductor charles.tashbook at dalsemi.
com
Mr. Keith W. Parker V Diogenes SCSI diogenes at europa.com
Mr. Roger Cummings P Distributed Processing cummings_roger at dpt.com
Tech.
Mr. I. Dal Allan P ENDL endlcom at ibm.net
Mr. Mike Taylor O Exabyte Corp. miketa at exabyte.com
Mr. Eugene Lew P Fujitsu elew at fcpa.fujitsu.com
Mr. Tim Mackley A General Dynamics timothy.a.mackley at gd-is.
com
Mr. Donald Woelz V Genroco, Inc. don at genroco.com
Mr. Stewart Wyatt A# Hewlett Packard Co. stewart_wyatt at hp.com
Mr. Anthony Yang P Hitachi Storage Products anthony.yang at hal.hitachi.
com
Mr. Thomas J. Kulesza P Honda Connectors tkulesza at hondaconnectors.
com
Mr. George O. Penokie P IBM Corp. gop at us.ibm.com
Dr. Jim Hafner V IBM Corp. hafner at almaden.ibm.com
Mr. Tim Bradshaw P Iomega Corp. bradshat at iomega.com
Mr. Dennis Moore P KnowledgeTek, Inc. dmoore at ix.netcom.com
Mr. John Lohmeyer P LSI Logic Corp. lohmeyer at t10.org
Mr. Ralph O. Weber A LSI Logic Corp. roweber at acm.org
Mr. Michael Karg A Madison Cable Corp. mkarg at madisoncable.com
Mr. Pete McLean P Maxtor Corp. pete_mclean at maxtor.com
Mr. Jay Neer A Molex Inc. jneer at molex.com
Mr. Edward A. Gardner P Ophidian Designs eag at ophidian.com
Mr. Han Zou P Panasonic Technologies, hanzou at research.
Inc panasonic.com
Mr. William P. P Philips Electronics BMcFerrin at aol.com
McFerrin
Mr. Keiji Katata V Pioneer Electronic Corp. keiji_Katata at post.
pioneer.co.jp
Mr. Takeshi Kohda V Pioneer Electronics Corp. takeshi_kohda at post.
pioneer.co.jp
Mr. Toshiro Tanikawa V Pioneer Electronics Corp. tanikawa at post.pioneer.co.
jp
Mr. Skip Jones P QLogic Corp. sk_jones at qlc.com
Mr. Mark Evans P Quantum Corp. mark.evans at quantum.com
Mr. Gerald Houlder A Seagate Technology gerry_houlder at notes.
seagate.com
Mr. Ron Roberts V Sierra-Pac Technology rkroberts at aol.com
Mr. Robert N. Snively P Sun Microsystems bob.snively at sun.com
Computer Co
Mr. Paul D. Aloisi P Texas Instruments Paul_Aloisi at ti.com
Mr. Donald R. Getty A# Texas Instruments donald_getty at ti.com
Mr. Robert Morris A Texas Instruments bob.morris at ti.com
Mr. Paresh Sheth A# Texas Instruments paresh.sheth at ti.com
Mr. Fred Hooper O Thomas & Betts fred_hooper at tnb.com
Mr. Tasuku Kasebayashi P Toshiba America Elec. task.kasebayashi at taec.
Comp. toshiba.com
Mr. Jeffrey L. P Western Digital Jeffrey.L.Williams at wdc.
Williams Corporation com
Mr. Paul Anderson O Western Digital paul.m.anderson at wdc.com
Corporation
Mr. Doug Piper O Woven Electronics doug.piper@
wovenelectronics.com
51 People Present
Status Key: P - Principal
A,A# - Alternate
O - Observer
L - Liaison
V - Visitor
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