Draft minutes of T10 Plenary meeting # 28 - 9/17/98
John Lohmeyer
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Wed Sep 23 17:28:36 PDT 1998
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National Committee for Information Technology Standards (NCITS)
Doc. No.: T10/98-214r0
Date: September 23, 1998
Reply to: John Lohmeyer
To: T10 Membership
From: Ralph Weber / John Lohmeyer
Subject: T10 Plenary Meeting #28 -- September 17, 1998
St. Petersburg Beach, FL
Agenda
1. Opening Remarks
2. Approval of Agenda
3. Attendance and Membership
4. Approval of Minutes - July `98 Meeting Portland, ME (T10/98-202r1)
5. Document Distribution
6. Call for Patents
7. Review of Old Action Items
8. Project Status Reports
8.1 Project Status Summary and NCITS/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]
8.2 SPI Amendment (SPIAmnd) {Project 0855-D} [Johansson/Lamers]
8.3 SCSI Common Access Method - 3 (CAM-3) Status {Project 990-D} [Dallas]
8.4 SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Peterson]
8.5 SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands (SMC) Status {Project 999-D} [Oetting]
8.6 Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]
8.7 SCSI Parallel Interface - 2 (SPI-2) {Project 1142-D} [Ham/Penokie]
8.8 SCSI Enhanced Parallel Interface (EPI) Technical Report {Project
1143-D} [Ham]
8.9 SCSI Fibre Channel Protocol - 2 (FCP-2) {Project 1144-D} [Snively]
8.10 Serial Bus Protocol - 2 (SBP-2) {Project 1155-D} [Johansson]
8.11 SCSI Architecture Model - 2 (SAM-2) {Project 1157-D} [Weber]
8.12 SCSI-3 Enclosure Commands (SES) {Project 1212-D} [Snively]
8.13 High Availability Profile (HAP) Technical Report {Project 1224-DT}
[Hagerman]
8.14 SCSI Controller Commands - 2 (SCC-2) {Project 1225-D} [Penokie]
8.15 Multimedia Command Set - 2 (MMC-2) Status {Project 1228-D} [Roberts]
8.16 SCSI Primary Commands - 2 (SPC-2) Status {Project 1236-D} [Weber]
8.17 Reduced Block Commands (RBC) {Project 1240-D} [Bryan]
8.18 SCSI Socket/SSL Services Command Set (SSS) {Project 1246-D} [Parker]
8.19 SCSI Parallel Interface - 3 (SPI-3) {Project 1302-D} [Penokie]
8.20 SCSI Enclosure Profile (SEP) Technical Report {Project 1303-DT}
[Weber]
9. Old Business
9.1 Background Scan in Informational mode page (98-205) for SPC-2
[Williams]
9.2 SPI-3 Timing Proposals (98-153r6) [Milligan]
10. New Business
10.1 Results of Letter Ballot on Forwarding EPI to First Public Review
10.2 Results of Letter Ballot on Forwarding RBC to First Public Review
10.3 World Wide IDs (98-186) [Penokie]
10.4 Actions on Working Group Recommendations
10.4.1 CRC Proposal (98-177r6) [McGrath]
10.4.2 QAS Proposal (97-199r9) [Moore]
10.4.3 Single-Ended Termination Change (98-220r0) [Grantham]
10.4.4 Proposal for Writable Device Identifiers (98-112r3) [Coughlan]
10.4.5 Making VPD page 81h (Operating Definition) obsolete? [Weber]
10.4.6 New device type code for bridging expanders (98-223r1) [Ham]
10.4.7 Parallel Protocol Request Negotiation (98-180r3) [Penokie]
10.4.8 Making HVD obsolete in SPI-3 [Milligan]
10.5 Electronic Service Fee [Lohmeyer]
11. ISO
11.1 ISO Report [Milligan]
11.2 ISO Business [Milligan]
11.2.1 Recommendation on JTC 1 TAG Letter ballot, ISO/IEC DIS 14776-341,
Information technology - Small Computer Interface-3 (SCSI-3) - Part 341:
Controller Commands (SCSI-3 SCC)
12. Liaison Reports
12.1 T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]
12.2 T13 Liaison Report [Milligan]
12.3 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
12.4 IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
12.5 IEEE P1285 Status
12.6 IEEE P1596.8 Status
12.7 SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Jones/Aloisi]
13. Review of Action Items
14. Meeting Schedule
14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings
15. Adjournment
Results of Meeting
1. Opening Remarks
John Lohmeyer, the T10 Chair, called the meeting to order at 9:00 a.m.,
Thursday September 17, 1998. He thanked Chuck Brill of AMP for hosting the
meeting. John and the committee congratulated Chuck on his many years of
service to the standards community and wished him well on the occasion of his
upcoming retirement.
John said that NCITS Subgroup Membership forms and the T10 Mailing
Subscription form were available on the document table. He said that people
should use the NCITS forms to insure the NCITS Secretariat has the latest
membership information. These forms should be mailed directly to the NCITS
Secretariat.
As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves and a copy of the
attendance list was circulated. Copies of the draft agenda and general
information on T10 were made available to those attending.
2. Approval of Agenda
The draft agenda was approved with the following additions/changes:
10.4.1 CRC Proposal (98-177r6) [McGrath]
10.4.2 QAS Proposal (97-199r9) [Moore]
10.4.3 Single-Ended Termination Change (98-220r0) [Grantham]
10.4.4 Proposal for Writable Device Identifiers (98-112r3) [Coughlan]
10.4.5 Making VPD page 81h (Operating Definition) obsolete? [Weber]
10.4.6 New device type code for bridging expanders (98-223r1) [Ham]
10.4.7 Parallel Protocol Request Negotiation (98-180r3) [Penokie]
10.5 Electronic Service Fee [Lohmeyer]
The following agenda items were added/revised during the course of the
meeting:
10.4.8 Making HVD obsolete in SPI-3 [Milligan]
3. Attendance and Membership
The membership requirements were reviewed. NCITS rules permit one vote per
organization. An individual from a new organization must attend two out of
three consecutive plenary meetings. He/she may apply for voting membership
the second meeting via a letter to the Chair of T10. The individual may vote
at the second plenary meeting. Working group meetings do not count toward
attendance requirements.
Organizations must also pay the NCITS Service Fee ($300) to maintain
membership. The ANSI International Program Fee (also $300) is billed at the
same time.
John Lohmeyer announced that the experimental Organizational Membership is
being discontinued next year. NCITS spent more effort collecting the
Organizational Membership fees than they collected in fees. From NCITS
perspective, the Organizational Membership experiment was a failure.
John briefly discussed the mailing fees. Complete pricing information is
contained in the 1998 membership form (available at
ftp://ftp.symbios.com/t10/pub/standards/io/t10/mem_form.txt).
The Chair said he had sent letters to 9 people from 5 organizations informing
them that their membership was in jeopardy due to non-attendance (see
98-013r0) and that their membership would be terminated if they did not attend
this meeting. The following organizations were in attendance jeopardy:
AMP, Inc.
Cable Design Technologies
Ciprico Inc.
Eastman Kodak Co.
Toshiba America Electronics Corp.
All of the organizations were present except:
Ciprico Inc.
Eastman Kodak Co.
They were terminated due to lack of attendance (i.e., the principal member was
changed to observer status and the first alternate member, if any, was
dropped; additional alternates, if any, were changed to observers).
John Lohmeyer reported that since the last meeting LSI Logic acquired Symbios,
Inc. So the Symbios membership was combined with the LSI Logic membership.
The following organization requested new membership at this meeting:
Lasercard Systems Corp. with Hayden Smith as the principal member.
The T10 membership during the meeting was 47 organizations down from 49
organizations last time. Enclosure (1) is the list of the people present at
the meeting and enclosure (2) is the current T10 membership list.
4. Approval of Minutes - July `98 Meeting Portland, ME (T10/98-202r1)
John Lohmeyer reported that Portland, ME minutes were revised since the last
mailing based on comments received from Gene Milligan. The revised minutes
will appear in the next mailing. The minutes were approved as written at
revision 1.
5. Document Distribution
Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Judy Gales (jgales at itic.nw.dc.us) (202) 626-5741.
John Lohmeyer requested that all documents for the next mailing be in his
hands in electronic format by 10:30 a.m. on Thursday September 24, 1998.
Documents received after this time will go into a subsequent mailing.
John reminded the committee of the requirements for document submission.
Since T10 meets its document retention requirements by preparing mailings,
documents included in the mailing must be suitable for archiving. This means
that native-format and/or Portable Document Format (PDF) electronic originals
with proper identification must be submitted.
The electronic copies can be sent directly to John by e-mail (at
lohmeyer at ix.netcom.com), placed on the SCSI BBS (719-533-7950), or they can be
transferred by ftp protocol to ftp.symbios.com and placed in the
/pub/standards/io/incoming directory. In the latter two cases, please also
send e-mail to John informing him of the file name and location of the file.
As usual, minutes are also available on the SCSI BBS (719-533-7950), the T10
World Wide Web page (see below), and will be distributed to the T10 Reflector.
To be added to the T10 Reflector, send an e-mail to majordomo at symbios.com with
the line 'subscribe t10' in the message body. The NCITS Secretariat maintains
a World Wide Web page at http://www.ncits.org/. Symbios maintains a World
Wide Web page on behalf of T10 at http://www.symbios.com/t10/.
The current document register is enclosure (3). The T10 document register is
also available on the SCSI BBS in file DR.TXT and at
ftp://ftp.symbios.com/pub/standards/io/t10/dr.txt.
6. Call for Patents
This is a regular agenda item to identify any potential patent issues with
developing standards. A call was made and no one identified any patents
issues.
A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge. This document is
also on the WWW at http://www.ncits.org/help/ansi_sdo.html. Section 1.2.11
contains the ANSI patent policy. Amy Marasco manages patent issues for ANSI
and can be contacted at amarasco at ansi.org or 212-642-4954.
7. Review of Old Action Items
266) All project editors will return the project abstract forms regarding
their project(s) to the Chair. Carryover
276) Gene Milligan will forward SBP-2 revision 4 along with a new work item
proposal to ISO/IEC SC 25 WG 4. Complete
278) Ralph Weber will make extent reservations obsolete in the next SPC-2
revision. Complete
279) Ralph Weber will make the CHANGE DEFINITION command obsolete in the
next SPC-2 revision. Complete
280) George Penokie will prepare SPI-2 revision 20b at the convenience of
the T10 chair. Complete
281) John Lohmeyer will substitute SPI-2 revision 20b for SPI-2 revision 20a
prior to NCITS letter ballot if no public review comments are received.
Complete
282) John Lohmeyer will conduct a letter ballot on forwarding EPI revision
15 to first public review. Complete
283) John Lohmeyer will conduct a letter ballot on forwarding RBC revision 5
to first public review. Complete
8. Project Status Reports
8.1 Project Status Summary and NCITS/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]
John Lohmeyer said that the current T10 project status summary was included in
the T10 Information Packages and will be included in the mailing as usual.
John noted that NCITS would meet the following week in Breaver Creek, CO. He
planned to attend part of the meeting to present the T10 annual report.
8.2 SPI Amendment (SPIAmnd) {Project 0855-D} [Johansson/Lamers]
John Lohmeyer reported the SPI Amendment is awaiting publication.
8.3 SCSI Common Access Method - 3 (CAM-3) Status {Project 990-D} [Dallas]
In the absence of Bill Dallas, no report was available.
8.4 SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Peterson]
In the absence of Dale Peterson, Erich Oetting reported that the joint
T10/T11.3 Tape meeting (minutes in T11/98-473v0) is making progress. It has
been agreed to accept the "tape alert" proposal for inclusion in SSC. The
plan is to do a forwarding of SSC toward first public review after the
November meeting.
8.5 SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands (SMC) Status {Project 999-D} [Oetting]
Erich Oetting reported that he has not yet been contacted by ANSI regarding
SMC publication.
8.6 Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]
Ron Roberts reported that he has received the published MMC standard (ANSI
X3.304:1997). This item will be removed from future agendas.
8.7 SCSI Parallel Interface - 2 (SPI-2) {Project 1142-D} [Ham/Penokie]
John Lohmeyer reported that SPI-2 is on the NCITS agenda for approval next
week.
8.8 SCSI Enhanced Parallel Interface (EPI) Technical Report {Project
1143-D} [Ham]
Bill Ham reported that the EPI letter ballot review was held Monday. Bill has
prepared EPI revision 16 addressing the letter ballot comments. The issues
around a device type for bridging expanders were discussed. See also items
10.1 and 10.4.6, below.
8.9 SCSI Fibre Channel Protocol - 2 (FCP-2) {Project 1144-D} [Snively]
Bob Snively reported that he plans to have a first draft of FCP-2 at the end
of the month, but not in time to make the next mailing.
8.10 Serial Bus Protocol - 2 (SBP-2) {Project 1155-D} [Johansson]
Pete McLean reported that the SBP-2 public review closed with no comments.
The SBP-2 that passed public review is on the NCITS agenda for approval next
week.
8.11 SCSI Architecture Model - 2 (SAM-2) {Project 1157-D} [Weber]
Ralph Weber reported that a SAM-2 review on Monday uncovered problems with the
first draft multi-port device model. The problems included:
1) A missing requirement that all ports in a multi-port device map to shared
device servers (and/or logical units)
2) Use of "Multi-Port SCSI Device" as an object name causes confusion with
the object named "SCSI Device"
3) Several potential problems with connection mapping across the SCSI bus.
Ralph stated that a new SAM-2 draft will be ready for the next meeting, but
possibly not in time for the mailing. SAM-2 revision 9, prepared shortly
before this meeting, will be in the next mailing.
8.12 SCSI-3 Enclosure Commands (SES) {Project 1212-D} [Snively]
Bob Snively reported that publication has been pending since May and he has
not been contacted ANSI.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to investigate the status of T10 projects
that have been at ANSI pending publication for several months.
8.13 High Availability Profile (HAP) Technical Report {Project 1224-DT}
[open]
John Lohmeyer reported that Doug Hagerman has resigned as project editor for
HAP. John asked anyone interested in editing HAP to contact him. John noted
that, if no volunteers appear by the November meeting, he would propose
withdrawing the HAP project.
8.14 SCSI Controller Commands - 2 (SCC-2) {Project 1225-D} [Penokie]
John Lohmeyer reported that SCC-2 should be in the publication department at
ANSI. It was approved by BSR June 9, 1998.
8.15 Multimedia Command Set - 2 (MMC-2) Status {Project 1228-D} [Roberts]
Ron Roberts reported that he is preparing MMC-2 revision 8 for the next
mailing. He requested a letter ballot for forwarding MMC-2 to first public
review. John Lohmeyer took an action item to conduct a letter ballot on MMC-2
revision 8 for forwarding to first public review.
8.16 SCSI Primary Commands - 2 (SPC-2) Status {Project 1236-D} [Weber]
Ralph Weber reported that a revision of SPC-2 will be prepared in time for the
mailing and will contain all the change proposals approved during this
meeting.
Ralph ask the committee to consider the possibility that SPC-2 to should be
forwarded towards first public review at the November or March meetings. Once
the persistent reservations proposal is incorporated, Ralph felt that SPC-2
should become a dpANS to give wide distribution to the persistent
reservations
changes and to support RBC, which is progressing to public review.
8.17 Reduced Block Commands (RBC) {Project 1240-D} [Bryan]
Pete McLean reported on the letter ballot review meeting for RBC (minutes in
98-221). He noted that an incomplete comments resolution document will be
provided for the next mailing (98-222r0). Pete stated that completion of the
resolution of letter ballot comments will be accomplished at a working group
meeting in November. Pete requested working group meeting time on Monday
afternoon and all day Tuesday during the November meeting week.
8.18 SCSI Socket/SSL Services Command Set (SSS) {Project 1246-D} [Parker]
John Lohmeyer reported that SSS revision 0 was placed on the web site before
this meeting. He noted that Keith Parker had requested a document number for
a status report, but John had not received the report yet.
8.19 SCSI Parallel Interface - 3 (SPI-3) {Project 1302-D} [Penokie]
George Penokie reported that SPI-3 is still at revision 0, but revision 1 will
be prepared in time for the next meeting, but not in time for the mailing.
Revision 1 will contain all the proposals approved during this meeting.
George also reported that the universal backplane annex (89-101) developed by
Dean Wallace will be incorporated in SPI-3. George noted that since the annex
will be informative, no formal action is required.
8.20 SCSI Enclosure Profile (SEP) Technical Report {Project 1303-DT} [Weber]
Ralph Weber reported no progress on this project.
9. Old Business
9.1 Background Scan in Informational mode page (98-205) for SPC-2
[Williams]
Jeff Williams presented 98-205r3. Based on the unanimous recommendation of
the working group, Jeff Williams moved that 98-205r3 be accepted for inclusion
in SPC-2. Erich Oetting seconded the motion. The motion passed 27:0:0:20=47.
9.2 SPI-3 Timing Proposals (98-153r6) [Milligan]
Gene Milligan presented the proposal that defines the basic properties of
Fast-80 (98-153r6). Based on the 11:3 vote of the working group, Gene moved
that 98-153r6 be accepted for inclusion in SPI-3. Mark Evans seconded the
motion. The motion passed 29:1:0:17=47. Rob Elliott stated that his no vote
was based on the belief that there is not enough timing budget for the bus
interconnect.
10. New Business
10.1 Results of Letter Ballot on Forwarding EPI to First Public Review
John Lohmeyer reported the results of the EPI letter ballot (98-016r0). The
ballot had passed 47:1:0:0=48. John stated that all letter ballot comments
have been resolved (98-227r0).
George Penokie requested that his no vote on the letter ballot be changed to a
yes vote.
Bill Ham moved that 98-227r0 be accepted as containing the EPI letter ballot
comments resolutions and EPI revision 16 be accepted as incorporating the
comments resolutions. The two-thirds vote motion passed 32:0:0:15=47. John
Lohmeyer took an action item to forward EPI revision 16 to NCITS for
processing toward first public review.
10.2 Results of Letter Ballot on Forwarding RBC to First Public Review
John Lohmeyer reported on the results of the RBC letter ballot (98-107r0).
The ballot had passed 41:5:0:2=48. Pete McLean noted that the RBC working
group did not complete resolving the letter ballot comments. A vote on
accepting letter ballot comments resolution is anticipated at the November
meeting.
10.3 World Wide IDs (98-186) [Penokie]
George Penokie reported that the July working group recommended SPC-2 be
revised to state that the "canonical" IEEE company identifiers shall be used
(98-186). George Penokie moved that 98-186 be accepted for inclusion in
SPC-2. Roger Cummings seconded the motion. The motion passed 28:0:1:18=47.
10.4 Actions on Working Group Recommendations
10.4.1 CRC Proposal (98-177r6) [McGrath]
Skip Jones moved that 98-177r6 be accepted for inclusion in SPI-3. Ed Gardner
seconded the motion. The motion passed 30:1:0:16=47. Dal Allan stated that
his no vote was based on the belief that CRC support should be backward
compatible as well as forward compatible.
10.4.2 QAS Proposal (97-199r9) [Moore]
Larry Lamers moved that 98-199r9 be accepted for inclusion in SPI-3. Dal
Allan seconded the motion.
Jeff Williams stated that the wording on fairness is not sufficient to meet
the requirements he sees and that he would vote no based on those concerns.
The motion passed 24:7:1:15=47.
10.4.3 Single-Ended Termination Change (98-220r0) [Grantham]
Louis Grantham reviewed a proposal to change termination current requirements
to relax values towards greater compatibility with the values found in SCSI-2
(98-220r0). Louis reported that the working group recommended accepting
98-220r0 for inclusion in SPI-3 on a vote of 10:3:3. Paul Aloisi presented
the case for leaving the SPI-2 termination current requirements unchanged in
SPI-3 (98-226r0). The committee discussed both points of view.
Gene Milligan moved that consideration of 98-220 be deferred to the November
meeting and that the November working group be given an action item to prepare
a recommendation for the November meeting. Bob Snively seconded the motion.
Gene noted that he felt insufficient time had been provided for consideration
of the proposal by his technical experts. The motion to defer consideration
passed unanimously.
10.4.4 Proposal for Writable Device Identifiers (98-112r3) [Coughlan]
George Penokie presented a proposal that two SCC-2 commands, REPORT DEVICE
IDENTIFIER and SET DEVICE IDENTIFIER, be duplicated in SPC-2, to allow writing
of convenient device identifiers in all devices. Tom Coughlan moved 98-112r3
be accepted for inclusion in SPC-2. Mark Evans seconded the motion.
Mark Evans, Bob Snively, Ed Gardner, Tom Coughlan, and others discussed
concerns about the size of the identifier. Mark Evans moved to amend the
proposal to set a maximum identifier size of 256 bytes (generally, 98-112r3
was read to require a minimum of 64 bytes). Ed Gardner seconded the motion.
The motion to amend failed 5:9:14:19=47.
Gene Milligan stated that he would vote against the original motion based on
the lack of a maximum identifier size and the problems with supporting the
proposal in CD-ROM devices.
The original motion failed 10:10:8:19=47.
To address the committee's concerns, Tom Coughlan prepared 98-112r4, which
added a maximum identifier length of 512 bytes..
Dal Allan moved to reconsider the motion on 98-112r3. Mark Evans seconded the
motion to reconsider. Dal and Mark confirmed that they were on the prevailing
side for the previous vote. The motion to reconsider passed 31:0:0:16=47.
John Lohmeyer proposed a friendly amendment to the original motion to bump the
revision number from 3 to 4. Tom and Mark agreed to a friendly amendment.
The amended, reconsidered motion passed 28:0:1:18=47.
10.4.5 Making VPD page 81h (Operating Definition) obsolete? [Weber]
Ralph Weber noted that the July decision to make the CHANGE DEFINITION command
obsolete did not specifically cover the Operating Definition VPD page (81h).
He described the contents of the page and its total dependency on the CHANGE
DEFINITION commands.
Ralph moved that VPD page 81h be made obsolete in SPC-2. Bob Snively seconded
the motion. The motion passed 22:0:3:22=47.
10.4.6 New device type code for bridging expanders (98-223r1) [Ham]
Ralph Weber described the need for a device type code for EPI bridging
expanders, and the requirement, set by the working group, that the device type
code be reserved as opposed to assigned. Ralph moved that 98-223r1 be
accepted for inclusion in SPC-2. Bill Ham seconded the motion. The motion
passed 22:0:1:24=47.
10.4.7 Parallel Protocol Request Negotiation (98-180r3) [Penokie]
Larry Lamers moved that PPR (98-180r3, as revised by the working group) be
incorporated in SPI-3. Mark Evans seconded the motion. George Penokie noted
that the working group had not recommended inclusion of 98-180r3 as revised in
SPI-3. Speaking in favor of the motion, Larry noted he would have difficulty
getting engineering review of SPI-3 in the absence of this key capability.
The motion passed 22:0:1:24=47.
10.4.8 Making HVD obsolete in SPI-3 [Milligan]
Gene Milligan moved that HVD be made obsolete in SPI-3. Paul Aloisi seconded
the motion. The committee discussed the details of how making HVD obsolete
would be presented in SPI-3. The motion passed 24:0:1:22=47.
10.5 Electronic Service Fee [Lohmeyer]
John Lohmeyer reported that several of the T committees are having
difficulties with finding homes for their web sites. At LSI Logic, an
external web server company is contracted to handle all external web site
activities, which was not the case for Symbios. It is not clear whether LSI
Logic will be able to continue the ftp and web servers for T10. Also, the
symbios.com domain name will be shutdown at the end of the year, so the URLs
for T10 will have to change. John reported on an offer to move the T10 web
site to a web server already supporting FC-LC (Fibre Channel Loop Community).
Dal Allan provided details of the service. Dal described the usage of a
proposed, new electronic services fee. Some of the fees would be used to
purchase new hardware and establish an independent operating facility for the
T10 web site, while the remainder would pay the monthly charges for half
access to a T1 link. Dal described how he plans to work with NCITS to keep
open access to standards.
In response to a question from George Penokie, John reported that $50 of the
subscription fee goes to the editor's fund. Dal reported that the electronic
service fee has been estimated at $100 per membership.
Roger Cummings described the on-going situation regarding limiting access to
draft standards, and noted several concerns that might be reflected in
relationships with NCITS.
Roger Cummings moved that T10 approve the principle of levying an electronic
service fee not to exceed $100 with the understanding that the T10, T11, and
T13 chairs will prepare a detailed proposal ASAP. Erich Oetting seconded the
motion.
Dal Allan moved that the words "principle of" be removed the motion. Larry
Lamers seconded the motion to amend. The motion to amend passed 28:5:0:14=47.
The amended motion became "that T10 approve the levying an electronic service
fee not to exceed $100 with the understanding that the T10, T11, and T13
chairs will prepare a detailed proposal ASAP."
Ed Gardner moved that the references to T11 and T13 be removed from motion.
Roger and Erich accepted Ed's proposal as a friendly amendment.
The amended motion became "that T10 approve the levying an electronic service
fee not to exceed $100 with the understanding that the T10 chair will prepare
a detailed proposal ASAP." Gene Milligan noted that there is an intention to
coordinate the electronic services program with the other T committees that
cannot be reflected as a formal part of the motion. The amended motion passed
29:4:1:13=47.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to prepare a detailed proposal for the
levying and usage of the electronic service fee ASAP.
Chair's note: This item may be overcome by events. I have received an email
saying LSI Logic is willing to continue hosting T10 (although the URL will
have to change). Also, I believe STA is willing to host the T10 site should
it become necessary. In any case, it appears that we have more time to make a
decision and more options than we thought.
11. ISO
11.1 ISO Report [Milligan]
Gene Milligan presented an oral report to the committee and provided the
following electronic report for the minutes:
ISO Report 9/17/98
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 5508
DATE: 1998-09-02
DOC TYPE: Summary of Voting/Table of Replies
TITLE: Summary of Voting on Document JTC 1 N 5386, Proposal for a New Work
Item on ISO/IEC 14776-342: INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY - Small Computer System
Interface - Part 342: Controller Commands-2 (SCSI SCC-2)
PROJECT: NP 18006
STATUS: This proposal has met the criteria for acceptance into the JTC 1
Programme of Work. SC 25 is instructed to begin development of this item
taking into account the National Body comments received.
Voting Summary of JTC 1 N 5386 'P' Members
Q.1 Do you accept the proposal in document JTC 1 N XXXX as a sufficient
definition of the new work item? 24:0:2
Q.2 Do you support the addition of the new work item to the programme of work
of the joint technical committee? 24:0:2
Q.3 Do you commit yourself to participate in the development of this new work
item? 9:16:1
Q.4 Are you able to offer a project editor who will dedicate his/her efforts
to the advancement and maintenance of this project? 5:20:1
Q.5 Do you have a major contribution or a reference document ready for
submittal? 1:24:1
Q.6 Will you have such a contribution in ninety days? 1:24:1
Canada
Q4 YES (Carman Mondello)
COMMENTS: "Canada encourages SC25 to consider whether similar specifications
might be more efficiently processed in the future as Fast Track submissions".
USA
Q4: YES (Gene Milligan as Editor Coordinator)
Q5: YES (Already submitted)
Q6: YES (Already submitted)
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 5509
DATE: 1998-09-02
TITLE: Summary of Voting on Document JTC 1 N 5387, Proposal for a New Work
Item on ISO/IEC 14776-351: INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY - Small Computer System
Interface - Part 351: Medium Changer Commands (SCSI-3 SMC)
PROJECT: NP 18007
STATUS: This proposal has met the criteria for acceptance into the JTC 1
Programme of Work. SC 25 is instructed to begin development of this item
taking into account the National Body comments received.
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 5510
DATE: 1998-09-02
TITLE: Summary of Voting on Document JTC 1 N 5388, Proposal for a New Work
Item on ISO/IEC 14776-371: INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY - Small Computer System
Interface - Part 371: Enclosure Services (SCSI SES)
PROJECT: NP 18008
STATUS: This proposal has met the criteria for acceptance into the JTC 1
Programme of Work. SC 25 is instructed to begin development of this item
taking into account the National Body comments received.
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 5507
DATE: 1998-09-02
TITLE: Summary of Voting on Document JTC 1 N 5385, Proposal for a New Work
Item on ISO/IEC 14776-112: INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY - Small Computer System
Interface - Part 112: Parallel Interface - 2 (SCSI SPI-2)
PROJECT: NP 18005
STATUS: This proposal has met the criteria for acceptance into the JTC 1
Programme of Work. SC 25 is instructed to begin development of this item
taking into account the National Body comments received.
Five additional FDDI standards ISO/IEC 9314--6, -7, -8, -13; and -25 were
published.
Voting on ISO/IEC DIS 14165-111 FC-PH started 98-05-14 and terminates
98-11-14.
IEC TC 100 has circulated a draft standard on safety requirements for
multimedia and similar equipment.
11.2 ISO Business [Milligan]
11.2.1 Recommendation on JTC 1 TAG Letter ballot, ISO/IEC DIS 14776-341,
Information technology - Small Computer Interface-3 (SCSI-3) - Part 341:
Controller Commands (SCSI-3 SCC)
Gene Milligan moved that T10 recommend to the JTC 1 TAG that they respond in
the affirmative to the ballot on ISO/IEC DIS 14776-341, Information technology
- Small Computer Interface-3 (SCSI-3) - Part 341: Controller Commands (SCSI-3
SCC). Erich Oetting seconded the motion. The roll call vote passed
33:0:0:14=47. Details of the roll call vote were as follows:
Organization Name Yes No Abs NP
---------------------------- ----------------------- --- -- --- --
Adaptec, Inc. Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers 1
AMP, Inc. Mr. Charles Brill 1
Amphenol Interconnect 1
Ancot Corp. Mr. Bart Raudebaugh 1
Apple Computer Mr. Ron Roberts 1
Berg Electronics 1
Cable Design Technologies Mr. Richard Wagner 1
Circuit Assembly Corp. 1
Compaq Computer Corp. Mr. Robert C. Elliott 1
Congruent Software, Inc. 1
Dallas Semiconductor Mr. Charles Tashbook 1
Data General / Clariion 1
Distributed Processing Tech. Mr. Roger Cummings 1
ENDL Mr. I. Dal Allan 1
Exabyte Corp. Mr. Tom Jackson 1
Fujitsu (FCPA) Mr. Ben-Koon Lin 1
Harting, Inc. of N. America Mr. Marcos Barrionuevo 1
Hewlett Packard Co. 1
Hitachi Cable Manchester,Inc Mr. Zane Daggett 1
Hitachi Storage Products Mr. Anthony Yang 1
Honda Connectors 1
IBM Corp. Mr. George Penokie 1
Iomega Corp. Mr. Tim Bradshaw 1
KnowledgeTek, Inc. 1
Lasercard Systems Corp. Mr. Hayden Smith 1
Linfinity Micro Mr. Louis Grantham 1
LSI Logic Corp. Mr. John Lohmeyer 1
Madison Cable Corp. 1
Maxtor Corp. Mr. Pete McLean 1
Methode Electronics, Inc. Mr. Bob Masterson 1
Molex Inc. Mr. Jay Neer 1
Mylex Corp. 1
Ophidian Designs Mr. Edward A. Gardner 1
Philips Electronics 1
QLogic Corp. Mr. Skip Jones 1
Quantum Corp. Mr. Mark Evans 1
Seagate Technology Mr. Gene Milligan 1
Silicon Systems, Inc. Mr. Dave Guss 1
Sony Electronics, Inc. 1
Storage Technology Corp. Mr. Erich Oetting 1
Sun Microsystems Computer Co Mr. Robert N. Snively 1
SyQuest Technology, Inc. 1
Toshiba America Mr. John Hoy 1
UNISYS Corporation 1
Unitrode Corporation Mr. Paul D. Aloisi 1
Western Digital Corporation Mr. Jeffrey L. Williams 1
Woven Electronics Mr. Doug Piper 1
Totals: 33 0 0 14 = 47
Gene Milligan took an action item to report the affirmative recommendation of
T10 on the letter ballot for ISO/IEC DIS 14776-341, Information technology -
Small Computer Interface-3 (SCSI-3) - Part 341: Controller Commands (SCSI-3
SCC) to the JTC 1 TAG.
12. Liaison Reports
12.1 T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]
Roger Cummings presented an oral report to the committee.
12.2 T13 Liaison Report [Milligan]
Gene Milligan reported on the activities of the most recent T13 meeting.
Editorial corrections were approved to ATA/ATAPI-4 for BSR and ANSI
publication.
Several proposals were accepted into ATA/ATAPI-5:
o Power up on standby
o nIEN clarification
o State diagrams (delete flow)
o New ID word (dev # etc.)
o Sleep to standby
o Connectors & cable
The committee debated a requirement to exit sleep with a device reset command,
discussed a 32 bit ATA/ATAPI, and discussed an address offset feature that
allows booting from the protected diagnostic area. There are three proposals
on the latter feature and a meeting on 22 and 23 September will attempt to
resolve them.
12.3 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
Dal Allan made an oral report to the committee and provided the following
electronic report for the minutes.
At the HSS (High Speed Serial) Testing SSWG (Specific Subject Working Group)
another test was added to the set of four Level 1 tests. Significant progress
continues to be made in refining the basic procedures. The content has been
re-defined to be a separate specification rather than included as part of the
serial connector specifications.
Final details on the SCA-2 and VHDCI connectors were received, and the next
revisions should be for a publication ballot.
The new dimensions on HSSDC, which caused such a stir at the last meeting,
have been agreed to by all parties. An analysis by Molex of the worst case
tolerances identified a missing dimension between the retention relative to
the mating pins, and there is the possibility of negative wipe (pins not
making contact).
The new material on MT-RJ has been incorporated into a new revision, and the
discovery made that optical connectors require a new way of describing form,
fit and function.
Bill Ham expressed his appreciation to AMP for the significant amount of
material and technical assistance received since the last meeting.
The technical content on HSS DB9 is now complete and a revised specification
will be prepared.
The shroud chamfer dimensions on the 4-pin power connector were modified to
become reference dimensions, and a note was added to say that the sum of the
tolerance buildups could not exceed a defined minimum.
A response on 8070i for ATAPI Removable Rewritable Media was received which
indicates an intent to remove the optical content and retain the magnetic
removable information.
12.4 IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
Gene Milligan reported that a ballot resolution is being formed for 1394a.
12.5 IEEE P1285 Status
No report.
12.6 IEEE P1596.8 Status
Bob Snively reported that no new information is available.
12.7 SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Jones/Aloisi]
Paul Aloisi presented the following report:
STA has developed a press release on Ultra3, including questions and answers.
A press tour is being planned for Ultra3.
The STA technical committee reviewed revision 2 of the SCSI Harbor document in
July in Portland, ME. Revision 3 will be reviewed later today.
13. Review of Action Items
266) All project editors will return the project abstract forms regarding
their project(s) to the Chair.
284) John Lohmeyer will investigate the status of T10 projects that have
been pending publication at ANSI for several months.
285) John Lohmeyer will conduct a letter ballot on MMC-2 revision 8 for
forwarding to first public review.
286) John Lohmeyer will forward EPI revision 16 to NCITS for processing
toward first public review.
287) John Lohmeyer will prepare a detailed proposal for the levying and
usage of the electronic service fee ASAP.
288) Gene Milligan will report the affirmative recommendation of T10 on the
letter ballot for ISO/IEC DIS 14776-341, Information technology - Small
Computer Interface-3 (SCSI-3) - Part 341: Controller Commands (SCSI-3 SCC) to
the JTC 1 TAG.
289) The November SPI-3 Working Group will prepare an recommendation on the
disposition of 98-220, changes in termination current requirements for
consideration by the November plenary.
14. Meeting Schedule
The next plenary meeting of T10 will be November 5, 1998 in Palm Springs, CA
at the Hyatt Regency Suites of Palm Springs (619-322-9000), hosted by
Adaptec, Inc. The meeting will begin at 9:00 a.m. on Thursday.
The meeting list for the next plenary week is:
November '98 Meeting Map
(9/18/98 Version)
Monday 11/2 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
+-------------------------------+
| DMTF Mass Storage WG/Domain Validation (25)
+-------------------------------+-----------+
| Fibre Channel FC-AL3 | (40)
+---------------+===================+-------+
| RBC Comments Res | (20)
+===================+
Tuesday 11/3 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
+===================================+
| SPI-3 WG / SCSI WG (*) | (50)
+===================================+
| MMC-2 WG | (15)
+===================================+
| RBC Comments Resolution | (20)
+===============+===================+
| T10/T11.3 Tape WG | (40)
+===================+
(*) - SCSI WG meeting begins after SPI-3 but not before 1:00 pm
Wednesday 11/4 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
+=======================================+
| SCSI WG | (50)
+===================================+===+
| MMC-2 WG | (15)
+===============+===============+===+===+
| SFF SSWGs | SFF | (40)
+---------------+-------+
Thursday 11/5 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+=====================+-----------------+
| T10 Plenary / SCSI Harbor (*) | (60/40)
+===========+========+------+-----------+
| STA Marcom | (15)
+---------------+
(*) - SCSI Harbor meeting begins 30 minutes after T10 plenary
but not before 2:30 pm
Friday 11/6 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5
+---------------------------------+
| SCSI Trade Association (STA) | (30)
+---------------------------------+
Meetings marked with == are T10-authorized meetings.
Meetings marked with -- are authorized by other groups and may change
without notice.
Meeting Date Location / Contact
------------- ------------------ --------------------------------------
T10/T11.3 10/6/98 Tue Ft. Lauderdale, FL / T11
Joint Tape WG
Meeting Map Abbreviation Key:
Amnd: Amendment
CAM: Common Access Method
CAM-3: Next generation CAM for SCSI-3
EPI: SCSI Enhanced Parallel Interface (Technical Report)
Encl Profile Enclosure Profile Study Group
Fast-20: Data Transfer at 20 Mega-transfers/second (a.k.a., Ultra)
Fast-40: Data Transfer at 40 Mega-transfers/second (a.k.a., Ultra2)
Fast-80: Data Transfer at 80 Mega-transfers/second (a.k.a., Ultra3)
FC: Fibre Channel
FC-AL: Fibre Channel - Arbitrated Loop (a T11 project)
FCLC: Fibre Channel Loop Community (not an NCITS activity)
I/F: Interface
HAP: High Availability Profile (Technical Report)
LB: Letter Ballot
MMC-2: Multimedia Commands - 2 (CD-ROM, DVD, etc.)
PH: Physical (Connectors, Cables, Transceivers, etc.)
Plenary: Full Committee Meeting
RAID: Redundant Array of Independent Devices
RBC: Reduced Block Commands
SBC: SCSI-3 Block Commands
SBP-2: Serial Bus Protocol for IEEE 1394 (2nd generation protocol)
SCC-2: SCSI Controller Commands - 2 (2nd generation RAID command set)
SCSI: Small Computer System Interface
SES: SCSI Enclosure Services
SCSI Harbor: A STA project on defining a wrapper for SCSI devices
SFF: SFF Industry Group (not an NCITS activity)
SG: Study Group
SMC: SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands
SPC-2: SCSI Primary Commands - 2 (2nd generation)
SPI-2: Second Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SPI-3: Third Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SSA: Serial Storage Interface
SSC: SCSI-3 Stream Commands (includes Tape)
SSWGs: Specific-Subject Working Groups
STA: SCSI Trade Association (not an NCITS activity)
STA Tech: STA Technical Meeting (T10 members invited)
T10: Lower Level Interfaces Technical Committee
WG: Working Group (same as Ad Hoc Group)
For more information about T10 activities, please contact the following
people:
Activity Contact Telephone/Email
---------------------------- --------------- ------------------------------
CAM-3 Bill Dallas (603) 881-2508
dallas at zk3.dec.com
EPI Bill Ham (508) 841-2629
bill.ham at digital.com
FCP, FCP-2, SES Robert Snively (415) 336-5332
Bob.Snively at eng.sun.com
GPP Gary Stephens (602) 321-1725
6363897 at mcimail.com
SBC Gene Milligan (405) 324-3070
gene_milligan at notes.seagate.com
MMC, MMC-2 Ron Roberts (916) 677-5714
rkroberts at aol.com
SBP-2 or RBC Pete McLean (303) 678-2149
pete_mclean at maxtor.com
SBP-2 Peter Johansson (510) 527-3926
pjohansson at aol.com
RBC Michael Bryan (303) 684-1407
mike_bryan at notes.seagate.com
SCC-2, SPI-2, SPI-3 George Penokie (507) 253-5208
gop at us.ibm.com
SMC Erich Oetting (303) 673-2178
Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
SPC, SPC-2, SAM-2, SEP Ralph Weber (972) 503-3205 x228
roweber at acm.org
SSA-PH1,-PH2,-TL1,-TL2 Larry Lamers (408) 957-7817
ljlamers at ix.netcom.com
SSA-S2P & -S3P John Scheible (512) 823-8208
Scheible at vnet.ibm.com
SSC Dave Peterson dap at network.com
(612) 391-1008
SSS Keith Parker (503) 255-1035
diogenes at europa.com
Other Activities John Lohmeyer (719) 533-7560
lohmeyer at ix.netcom.com
The long-term T10 meeting week schedule is:
Date Location Host/Comments
---------------- ------------------------- -------------------
Nov 2-6, 1998 Palm Springs, CA Adaptec
Mar 8-12, 1999 Sarasota, FL AMP
May 3-7, 1999 Manchester, NH Hitachi Cable
Jul 12-16, 1999 Colorado Springs, CO LSI Logic
Sep 13-17, 1999 Huntington Beach, CA QLogic
Nov 8-12, 1999 Palm Springs, CA Adaptec
Jan 10-14, 2000 Brisbane, Australia ENDL Pacific Technologies
Mar 6-10, 2000 RTP, NC or Dallas, TX Unitrode
May 8-12, 2000 Manchester, NH Hitachi Cable
Jul 10-14, 2000 Colorado Springs, CO LSI Logic
Sep 11-15, 2000 Huntington Beach, CA QLogic
Nov 6-10, 2000 To be determined Adaptec
14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings
John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under the
same voting procedures as does T10 (that is, one vote per organization) and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee. Ad
hoc groups should strive to achieve consensus prior to bringing issues to T10.
Bob Snively moved that T10 authorize the T10-related meetings and events in
the list above. Jeff Williams seconded the motion. The motion passed
unanimously.
Dal Allan asked the committee to provide a confirmation of the decision hold
the January 2000 meeting in Brisbane, Australia. Dal's confirmation was the
lack of any motion to reconsider the decision to hold the January 2000
meetings in Brisbane.
15. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 1:05 p.m. on Thursday September 17, 1998.
Meeting Attendees -- Enclosure (1)
Name S Organization Electronic Mail Address
---------------------- -- ------------------------- -------------------------
Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers P Adaptec, Inc. ljlamers at ieee.org
Mr. Charles Brill P AMP, Inc. cebrill at amp.com
Mr. Bill Mable A Amphenol Interconnect bmable at spectra.net
Mr. Bart Raudebaugh P Ancot Corp. bart at ancot.com
Mr. Ron Roberts A Apple Computer rkroberts at aol.com
Mr. Douglas Wagner P Berg Electronics wagnerdl at bergelect.com
Mr. Bill Northey A# Berg Electronics northey at bergelect.com
Mr. Richard Wagner P Cable Design Technologies rwagner at montrose-cdt.com
Mr. Edward Haske O CMD Technology haske at cmd.com
Mr. Robert C. Elliott P Compaq Computer Corp. Robert.Elliott at compaq.com
Dr. William Ham A Compaq Computer Corp. bill.ham at digital.com
Mr. Tom Coughlan V Compaq Computer Corp. tom.coughlan at digital.com
Mr. Charles Tashbook P Dallas Semiconductor charles.tashbook at dalsemi.
com
Mr. Roger Cummings P Distributed Processing cummings_roger at dpt.com
Tech.
Mr. Ed Kavetsky A# Distributed Processing kavetsky at dpt.com
Tech.
Mr. I. Dal Allan P ENDL endlcom at ibm.net
Mr. Tom Jackson P Exabyte Corp. thomasj at exabyte.com
Mr. Ben-Koon Lin A Fujitsu (FCPA) blin at fcpa.fujitsu.com
Mr. Marcos Barrionuevo P Harting, Inc. of N. Marcos.Barrionuevo@
America harting.com
Mr. Zane Daggett P Hitachi Cable Manchester, zdaggett at hcm.hitachi.com
Inc
Mr. Anthony Yang P Hitachi Storage Products yang_a at halsp.hitachi.com
Mr. George Penokie P IBM Corp. gop at us.ibm.com
Mr. Dan Colegrove A# IBM Corp. colegrov at us.ibm.com
Mr. Tim Bradshaw P Iomega Corp. bradshat at iomega.com
Mr. Hayden Smith P Lasercard Systems Corp. hsmith at lasercard.com
Mr. Louis Grantham P Linfinity Micro lgrantham at linfinity.com
Mr. Paul Pickle V Linfinity Micro ppickle at linfinity.com
Mr. John Lohmeyer P LSI Logic Corp. lohmeyer at ix.netcom.com
Mr. Ralph O. Weber A# LSI Logic Corp. roweber at acm.org
Ms. Renee Depew O LSI Logic Corp. renee.depew at lsil.com
Mr. Robert Bellino P Madison Cable Corp. rbellino at madisoncable.com
Mr. Pete McLean P Maxtor Corp. pete_mclean at maxtor.com
Mr. Bob Masterson P Methode Electronics, Inc. rwmast at methode.com
Mr. Jay Neer A Molex Inc. jneer at molex.com
Mr. Edward A. Gardner P Ophidian Designs eag at ophidian.com
Mr. William P. P Philips Electronics BMcFerrin at aol.com
McFerrin
Mr. Skip Jones P QLogic Corp. sk_jones at qlc.com
Mr. Mark Evans P Quantum Corp. mark.evans at quantum.com
Mr. Gene Milligan P Seagate Technology Gene_Milligan at notes.
seagate.com
Mr. Dave Guss P Silicon Systems, Inc. dave.guss at tus.ssi1.com
Mr. Erich Oetting P Storage Technology Corp. erich_oetting at stortek.com
Mr. Robert N. Snively P Sun Microsystems bob.snively at sun.com
Computer Co
Ms. Dora M. Deivert O The JPM Company dmdeivert at jpmsj.com
Mr. John Hoy O Toshiba America john.hoy at aitc.toshiba.com
Mr. Paul D. Aloisi P Unitrode Corporation aloisi at unitrode.com
Mr. Jeffrey L. P Western Digital Jeffrey.L.Williams at wdc.
Williams Corporation com
Mr. Doug Piper P Woven Electronics doug.piper at internetmci.
com
Mr. Arnold Limjoco O Yamaichi Electronics arnold.l at yeu.com
48 People Present
Status Key: P - Principal
A,A# - Alternate
O - Observer
L - Liaison
V - Visitor
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