About CD-ROM READ(10) Command

dallas at zk3.dec.com dallas at zk3.dec.com
Wed Apr 22 10:46:23 PDT 1998

* From the T10 (formerly SCSI) Reflector (t10 at symbios.com), posted by:
* dallas at zk3.dec.com

I have been following this thread with some interest (not a lot just some).

As a host vendor, I vote for option b, even though I would never issue
a command that does nothing.  The following are the reasons why I choose 
option b:
	1. Currently there is no wording of what happens for the
	   prefetch and media errors.  The host would want to know
	   about a prefetch failure. 

	2  Not deterministic of how many blocks/sectors to prefetch.

	3. Write(10) contains the same wording/meaning for Transfer
	   Length of 0.

	4  Pre-fetch behavior is already defined for the PRE-FETCH

The PRE-FETCH command allows the host to specify starting where and how many
it would like in the cache.  The use of the PRE-FETCH command is 
determined by access pattern behavior. 

The use of option a for a prefetch and even the PRE-FETCH command itself
for read performance gains, itself is not very interesting.  This is due
to the OS/inter-connect/device command overhead, just might as well issue
the read. What is really needed is a new SCSI command (READ and PRE-FETCH).
This command would act as a 2 part command where you could specify what
you want for read data and prefetch parameters.  The device could satisfy
the read portion and return status for the read portion of the command.  
Then go off and do the prefetch (no status, other then device just tries
to do it).  This would save all the overhead associated with a second
command just to do a prefetch.

The above is not real interesting for disk but could have some value 
for DVDs. 


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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:42:21 EDT
From: Gerry_Houlder%notes.seagate.com at us2rmc.enet.dec.com (MAIL-11 Daemon)
  To: t10 at symbios.com
Subj: Re: About CD-ROM READ(10) Command

* From the T10 (formerly SCSI) Reflector (t10 at symbios.com), posted by:
* Gerry_Houlder at notes.seagate.com
This brings up a question of what should be specified in the standard.
Clearly the T10 standard permits either action by the target. However, this
means that even a careful target designer could end up with a product that
doesn't conform to the expectations of the initiator. It also means that
targets are implemented with different firmware for different customers to
conform to their different expectations. Also note that option (a) is
defined as the PREFETCH command in the SCSI standard. If PREFETCH is
implemented, is it also proper to do the same thing for READ with zero
transfer length? Should PREFETCH be obsoleted if option (a) is the defined
resopnse for READ with zero transfer length?

The READ commands are defined separately in each command set document. Many
cases just refer to the SBC document for the command description. Perhaps
it is time to define a READ for CD ROM that defines the action in this
situation if it is not possible to get enough support to change the SBC

If no further guidance is possible from the standard, It is probably safer
for a target to implement option (a). This will satisfy initiators that
expect this operation. It probably will not cause a problem for initiators
that expect option (b), because that option doesn't promise any particular
operation. What do the host vendors think of this?

>   Could you advice us that which interpretation is right about
> this command, (a) or (b) ?
>       (a) Even if transfer length=0, seek to Logical Block Address
>            and buffering to drive RAM from medium, then finish.
>       (b) Because of transfer length=0, NO seek operation, and
>            NO buffering from medium, then finish.

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