Fw: Clarification of Web Distribution of Standards (Draft orApproved)

cummings_roger at dpt.com cummings_roger at dpt.com
Tue Sep 23 13:22:39 PDT 1997

* From the T10 (formerly SCSI) Reflector (t10 at symbios.com), posted by:
* cummings_roger at dpt.com


Did you happen to notice the fees for ECMA membership while you were on the
site ? From memory, full membership costs something over $10K per year (it
varies because it is tied to expenses and quoted in ecus anyway), with
associates paying half, and companies of less than 100K turnover or
something paying one fourth. If you, and the other T10 and T11 members,
were willing to pay these sort of fees, then I'm quite sure that John and I
could set up a Secretariat organization to do exactly the sort of things
that you mention !

Don't get me wrong - I have the greatest admiration for ECMA and what they
have achieved. They had a BBS, and a web site, before our standards
secretariat did, and their model has some distinct advantages. But what
makes it work is the fees that the membership pay. Given an equivalent set
of financial resources, we could defintely do the same.


Roger Cummings
Chair, TC T11

cummings_roger at dpt.com

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Subject:  Fw: Clarification of Web Distribution of Standards (Draft

* From the T10 (formerly SCSI) Reflector (t10 at symbios.com), posted by:
* "Edward A. Gardner" <eag at ophidian.com>
One example of an alternative to NCITS's policy regarding copyrights on
standards, etc. is ECMA.  Copies of all ECMA standards are available free
of charge and free of any copyright restrictions.  They are available
either from ECMA's web site (which has amazing bandwidth, considering it's
an international link, even if it is Saturday morning) or via a free
CD-ROM.  I encountered this while investigating ECMAScript (aka
JavaScript), which is ECMA standard 262.

Gee, if changing affiliation meant we had to meet in Geneva once a year,
maybe it has other advantages :-)

The following is quoted from http://www.ecma.ch/INDEX.htm.
Upon opening that page, click "ECMA" in the left hand pane.

Standardizing Information and Communication Systems

ECMA is an international, Europe-based industry association founded in 1961
and dedicated to the standardization of information and communication

This web site presents all aspects of ECMA and makes available the results
of the ECMA standardization work to all interested persons and
organizations, free of charge and copyright.

webmaster at ecma.ch

114 Rue du Rhtne
CH1204 Geneva

The following is quoted from http://www.ecma.ch/INDEX.htm
Upon opening that page, click "NEWS" in the left hand pane, then "order

ECMA CD-ROM, Version 3.0

The new version of the ECMA CD-ROM, version 3, will be available for
shipment at the end of September 1997.

This new version will include the files of the 31 ECMA Standards and
Technical Reports approved by the June 1997 General Assembly of ECMA, and
and additional set of QSIG Standards under approval at the moment.

This new version will be available, as the previous ones, completely free
of charge. Orders can be sent now, and should be sent to:

documents at ecma.ch

indicating your full postal address.

The previous version (version 2.0) is not available any more.

Edward A. Gardner               eag at ophidian.com
Ophidian Designs                719 593-8866 voice
1262 Hofstead Terrace           719 593-8989 fax
Colorado Springs, CO  80907

> From: John Lohmeyer <John.Lohmeyer at Symbios.COM>
> To: T10 Reflector <t10 at Symbios.COM>
> Subject: Clarification of Web Distribution of Standards (Draft
> Date: Friday, September 05, 1997 11:23
> * From the T10 (formerly SCSI) Reflector (t10 at symbios.com), posted by:
> * John Lohmeyer <John.Lohmeyer at Symbios.com>
> *
> I received this document from NCITS.  I am putting it on the T10 agenda
> consideration at the 9/11/97 meeting.  I am also responding individually
> NCITS in a separate email.
> John

> IT/97-0355  X O P
> To:     NCITS Technical Committees
> From:   NCITS Secretariat
> Subject:     Clarification of Web Distribution of Standards (Draft or
> Date:   August 29, 1997
> We permit distribution and copying without charge of both approved and
> draft standards to those participating in the development of those
> Such distribution and copyring can be in print or by electronic means.
> other distribution requires agreement with the Secretariat, ANSI or ISO,
> international projects.
> This means that committee distribution through electronic means must be
> restricted to the membership by using electronic mail or Web, FTP or
> softwareprotected at least with passwords.
> In addition, none of us has the right to use an approved standard's
> designation (e.g., X3.132-1995 or IS 10999) in conjunction with text
> "Draft."  This is clearly a misrepresentation of the status of the
> document. In
> addition, it may create legal liability to whomever makes the
> misrepresentation from a user of the draft or the copyright owner of the
> approved document.
> All NCITS drafts must carry the following notice:
> ________________________________________________
> Notice:
> This is a draft proposed American Nationa Standard. As such, this is not
> completed standard. The Technical Committee may modify this document as
> a result of comments received during public review and its approval as a
> standard.
> Permission is granted to members of NCITS, its technical committees, and
> their associated task groups to reproduce this document for the purposes
> NCITS standardization activities without further permission, provided
> notice is included.  All other rights are reserved. Any commercial or
> for-profit
> reproduction is strictly prohibited.
> ___________________________________________________
> Finally, NCITS has approved certain principles for us to incorporate into
> formal copyright policy.  The policy is under development and will be
> distributed when available.
> The principles are the following:
> 1.  NCITS shall establish procedures that result in a valid copyright in
> documents.
> 2. The copyright shall be held and administered by ITI on behalf of
> 3. Copyright of all works created during the standards process shall be
> solely
> for NCITS's benefit.
> 4. Pre-existing works shall be submitted with a non-exclusive license
> permitting the work to be used in the standard development process,
> incorporated into a final standard, published, and copies in any medium
> form of the standard may be sold or given away at NCITS's discretion.
> 5. TC participants may freely make copies of all works covered in 3 and 4
> carry out the standards development process but shall not make copies for

> any other purpose.
> Further questions about the copyright policy should be addressed to Ken
> Zemrowski, PPC Chair, at ken.zemrowski at faa.dot.gov.
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