ISO Fast Track CAM ballot results

Gene Milligan Gene_Milligan at notes.seagate.com
Thu Sep 19 12:33:58 PDT 1996


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The X3T10 ISO ballot on the question " Do you approve a recommendation to 
submit X3.232:1996 to ISO/IEC JTC 1 for publication as and International 
Standard using the Fast Track Process?" closed 9/16/96. The results are:

Mr. Norm Harris          Adaptec Inc.                P      Y
Mr. Edward Fong          Amdahl Corp.                P      X
Mr. Charles Brill        AMP Inc.                    P      Y
Mr. Jan V. Dedek         Ancot Corp.                 P      Y
Mr. Ron Roberts          Apple Computer              A      Y
Mr. Douglas Wagner       Berg Electronics            P      X
Mr. Gerry Johnsen        Ciprico Inc.                P      Y
Mr. Ian Morrell          Circuit Assembly Corp.      P      Y
Mr. Edward Haske         CMD Technology              P      X
Mr. Peter Johansson      Congruent Software Inc.     P      X
Mr. Louis Grantham       Dallas Semiconductor        P      X
Mr. Charles Monia        Digital Equipment Corp.     P      Y
Mr. Roger Cummings       DPT                         P      X
Mr. Robert Reisch        Eastman Kodak Co.           P      Y
Mr. I. Dal Allan         ENDL                        P      N
Mr. Edward Lappin        Exabyte Corp.               P      Y
Mr. Gary R. Stephens     FSI Consulting Services     P      X
Mr. Robert Liu           Fujitsu                     P      Y
Mr. J. R. Sims           Hewlett Packard Co.         P      X
Mr. S. Nadershahi        Hitachi                     P      X
Mr. Zane Daggett         Hitachi Cable Manchester    P      Y
Mr. Thomas J. Kulesza    Honda Connectors            P      Y
Mr. George Penokie       IBM Corp.                   P      Y
Mr. Geoffrey Barton      Iomega Corp.                P      X
Mr. Dennis Moore         KnowledgeTek Inc.           P      X
Mr. Dean Wallace         Linfinity Micro             P      Y
Mr. Robert Bellino       Madison Cable Corp.         P      X
Mr. Pete McLean          Maxtor Corp.                P      Y
Mr. John Cannon          Methode Electronics Inc.    P      Y
Mr. Joe Dambach          Molex Inc.                  P      X
Mr. Anthony E. Pione     Oak Technology Inc.         P      Y
Mr. Edward A. Gardner    Ophidian Designs            P      N
Mr. Stephen F. Heil      Panasonic                   P      Y
Mr. Bill McFerrin        Philips KMG                 P      X
Mr. Skip Jones           QLogic Corp.                P      X
Mr. James McGrath        Quantum Corp.               P      X
Mr. Gene Milligan        Seagate Technology          P      Y
Mr. Dave Guss            Silicon Systems Inc.        P      Y
Mr. Mike Yokoyama        Sony                        P      X
Mr. Erich Oetting        Storage Technology Corp.    P      X
Mr. Robert N. Snively    Sun Microsystems Inc.       P      X
Mr. John Lohmeyer        Symbios Logic Inc.          P      Y
Mr. Patrick Mercer       SyQuest Technology          P      Y
Mr. John Moy             Tandem Computers            P      Y
Mr. Tokuyuki Totani      Toshiba                     P      Y
Mr. Kenneth J. Hallam    UNISYS Corporation          P      Y
Mr. Paul D. Aloisi       Unitrode                    P      X
Mr. Jeffrey L. Williams  Western Digital Corporation P      Y
Mr. Doug Piper           Woven Electronics           P      Y

  X=not voting

Yes = 27 No = 2 Abstentions = 0 Not voting = 20

Two-thirds voting = 19.3  A majority of the membership = 25

The only comments were those accompanying the two No votes. Since the ballot 
passed, a separate Email will be sent out with the proposed response to the No 
votes.

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The ballot comments were:

Dal Allan,  ENDL Inc Comment: I see no value in making CAM an ISO standard. CAM 
has been 
successful as an architectural guide which has been valuable to X3T10 itself as 
well as many software companies. However, it is not an interoperable standard 
between companies and nothing is likely to change because of being processed 
through ISO. 

 Edward A. Gardner, Ophidian Designs Comments:
1.   At times it appears as if some members of X3T10 feel that every
     X3T10 developed American National Standard should be automatically
     assumed appropriate as an ISO standard unless proven otherwise.
     Nonetheless, there is no such policy or guideline.  (Anyone who feels
     that that should be X3T10's policy should offer it as a motion for
     debate).  In voting to forward a standard to ISO, it is every X3T10
     member's responsibility to ascertain whether the benefits of ISO
     standardization outweigh the costs and effort involved.  The fact that
     X3T10 members' may not directly or individually incur those costs is
     irrelevant, the costs exist nonetheless, and it is our responsibility
     to avoid useless waste of ISO's resources.  While procedures such as
     the Fast Track Process may reduce costs, we should still ascertain
     that the benefits outweigh the costs.
     
     For most X3T10 standards, it is arguable whether there are any
     benefits whatsoever to ISO standardization.  The primary benefits of a
     standard comes from the industry consensus achieved during its
     development and its ready available after publication.  Both are
     achieved during the X3T10 development of an American National
     Standard.  Neither is enhanced by submitting X3T10 standards to ISO.
     
     Often the rationale is offered that ISO standardization is useful in
     case a government requires standards compliance.  That argument is
     hard to sustain given the state of the computer industry (e.g., noone
     has offered a single recent case of such requirements, and none of the
     standards governing PCs are international).  In any case that
     rationale doesn't apply to CAM, since it has not been adopted by the
     industry.  Only one significant vendor makes any pretense of
     implementing CAM, and even that vendor's implementation has some
     discrepancies with the standard.  Virtually the entire computer
     industry is unable to claim compliance with CAM.  There would be a
     very serious problem if any entity were to require CAM compliance.
     
     There are no benefits whatsoever to making CAM an ISO standard.
     Indeed, doing so is probably harmful, since we might mislead anyone
     not involved in X3T10 into thinking or anticipating that CAM would
     have widespread acceptance.  The conclusion is that the benefits of
     forwarding CAM to ISO are non-existent or negative, and cannot
     possibly outweigh the costs (however small).  (Indeed, in hindsight it
     is questionable whether approving CAM as an American National Standard
     was justified, but there's no point debating what's already done).
     
2.   Stating that a ballot closes at "noon" or "High NOON" on a
     specific day is meaningless, unless you also specify the applicable
     time zone.
3.   Requesting a separate signature, in addition to a printed name,
is ridiculous and nugatory on a form that is intended to be returned
by email.
4.   This is neither a technical issue nor a final action nor a
     forwarding motion, I believe that abstentions are permitted.
     Regardless, the letter ballot stated "ABSTENTIONS are not permitted on
     technical issues which include final actions on dpANS", which has no
     relevance whatsoever to this ballot, since the ballot is neither a
     technical issue nor has anything to do with a dpANS (rather, it has to
     do with forwarding an approved ANS to ISO).  Since nearly all readers
     will interpret this sentence as meaning that abstentions are
     prohibited, THIS LETTER BALLOT IS INHERENTLY MISLEADING AND INVALID
     AND MUST BE DECLARED NULL AND VOID.  A revised ballot, with a correct
     statement regarding abstentions on forwarding ANSI standards to ISO,
     must be prepared and submitted.

End of comments
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Gene Milligan
X3T10 International Representative
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