Draft Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #18 - Nov 7, 1996

Lohmeyer, John JLOHMEYE at cossymwest.co.symbios.com
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Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #18 in Palm Springs, CA   
    X3T10/96-259r0

Accredited Standards Committee*
X3, Information Technology
                                             Doc. No.: X3T10/96-259r0
                                                 Date: November 13, 1996
                                              Project:
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                                             Reply to: John Lohmeyer

To:               Membership of X3T10

From:             Ralph Weber, Secretary X3T10
                  John Lohmeyer, Chair X3T10

Subject:          Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #18
                  Palm Springs, CA -- November 7, 1996

                                  Agenda

1. Opening Remarks

2. Approval of Agenda

3. Attendance and Membership

4. Approval of Minutes - September Meeting Natick, MA (X3T10/96-235r1)

5. Document Distribution
   5.1 Results of Letter Ballot 96-039R0 on Elimination of Paper Mailings   
in
       1997 (96-044 r0) [Lohmeyer]
   5.2 Web Voting [Lohmeyer]

6. Call for Patents

7. Review of Old Action Items

8. Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports
   8.1 Project Status Summary and X3/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]
   8.2 X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Lamers]
   8.3 SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status {Project 855-D} [Lamers]
   8.4 SPI Amendment (SPIAmnd) {Project 0855-D} [Johansson/Lamers]
   8.5 SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status {Project 856-D} [Penokie]
   8.6 SCSI Common Access Method -3 (CAM-3) Status {Project 990-D}   
[Dallas]
   8.7 SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status {Project 992-D} [Roberts]
   8.8 SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status {Project 994-D} [Monia]
   8.9 SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status {Project 995-D} [Weber]
   8.10 SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) Status {Project 996-D} [Milligan]
   8.11 SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Lappin]
   8.12 SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) Status {Project 998-D} [Tewell]
   8.13 SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands (SMC) Status {Project 999-D}   
[Oetting]
   8.14 SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) Status {Project 1047-D}   
[Penokie]
   8.15 Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]
   8.16 SCSI Parallel Interface - 2 (SPI-2) {Project 1142-D} [Ham]
   8.17 SCSI Enhanced Parallel Interface (EPI) Technical Report {Project   
1143-
        D} [Ham]
   8.18 SCSI Fibre Channel Protocol - 2 (FCP-2) {Project 1144-D}   
[Snively]
   8.19 Boot Considerations Technical Report {Project 1154-DT}  [Lamers]
   8.20 SCSI Serial Bus Protocol - 2 (SBP-2) {Project 1155-D} [Johansson]
   8.21 SCSI Architecture Model - 2 (SAM-2) {Project 1157-D} [Monia]
   8.22 SCSI-3 Enclosure Commands (SES) {Project 1212-D} [Snively]
   8.23 High Availability Profile (HAP) Technical Report {Project   
1224-DT}
        [Hagerman]
   8.24 SCSI Controller Commands - 2 (SCC-2) {Project 1225-D} [Penokie]
   8.25 Multimedia Command Set - 2 (MMC-2) Status {Project 1228-D}   
[Roberts]

9. Old Business
   9.1 Resolution of Letter Ballot Comments on Forwarding MMC to First   
Public
       Review  [Roberts]
   9.2 Resolution of Letter Ballot Comments on Forwarding SES to First   
Public
       Review [Snively]
   9.3 Resolution of Letter Ballot Comments on Forwarding SPI Amendment   
#1 to
       First Public Review  [Lamers]
   9.4 Five-year review of X3.146:1986[R1992] Streaming Cartridge and   
Cassette
       Tape Drives - Device-level Interface

10. New Business
   10.1 Actions on Working Group Recommendations
      10.1.1 Accept 96-198r4 for inclusion in SAM-2 and SPC-2 [Johansson]
      10.1.2 Accept 96-263r0 for inclusion in SPC-2 [Coughlan]
      10.1.3 Make REZERO UNIT and SEARCH XXX obsolete in SBC [Milligan]
      10.1.4 Withdraw Greater Than 8 GB Booting TR [Lohmeyer]
      10.1.5 Authorize creation of SPC R11 & forwarding to X3 for 2nd PR
             [Milligan]
      10.1.6 Authorize creation of SBC R7 & forwarding to X3 for 1st PR
             [Milligan]
   10.2 Proposal to amend Project 1155-D (SBP-2) to be command set   
neutral
        [Johansson]
   10.3 Project Proposal for SCSI-3 Transport over SBP-2 [Johansson]
   10.4 IEEE RAC Report [Snively]
   10.5 12-Byte Commands in SBC [Milligan]
   10.6 READ(6) Mandatory in SBC [Milligan]
   10.7 Mode Page Code 2Ah [Roberts]

11. ISO
   11.1 ISO Report [Milligan]
   11.2 Results of Letter Ballot on recommending that X3.232:1996 (CAM)   
be
        submitted to ISO/IEC JTC 1 for Fast Track (IR96020) [Milligan]
   11.3 SCSI-2 Corrigenda [Milligan]
   11.4 JTC-1 Reorganization [Milligan]
   11.5 Tag Ballot [Milligan]

12. Liaison Reports
   12.1 X3T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]
   12.2 X3T13 Liaison Report [Milligan]
   12.3 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
   12.4 IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
   12.5 IEEE P1285 Status
   12.6 PCMCIA Report
   12.7 SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Jones/Grantham]

13. Review of Action Items

14. Meeting Schedule
   14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings

15. Adjournment




                              Results of Meeting

1.    Opening Remarks

John Lohmeyer, the X3T10 Chair, called the meeting to order at 1:02 p.m.,
Thursday November 7, 1996.  He thanked Norm Harris of Adaptec for hosting   
the
meeting.

John said that X3 Subgroup Membership forms and the X3T10 Mailing   
Subscription
form were available from Larry Lamers at the head table.  He said that   
people
should use the X3 forms to insure the X3 Secretariat has the latest   
membership
information.  These forms should be mailed directly to the X3   
Secretariat.

As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves and a copy of   
the
attendance list was circulated.  Copies of the draft agenda and general
information on X3T10 were made available to those attending.

2.    Approval of Agenda

The draft agenda was approved with the following additions:

      5.2 Web Voting [Lohmeyer]
      10.1.1 Accept 96-198r4 for inclusion in SAM-2 and SPC-2 [Johansson]
      10.1.2 Accept 96-263r0 for inclusion in SPC-2 [Coughlan]
      10.1.3 Make REZERO UNIT and SEARCH XXX obsolete in SBC [Milligan]
      10.1.4 Withdraw Greater Than 8 GB Booting TR [Lohmeyer]
      10.1.5 Authorize creation of SPC R11 & forwarding to X3 2nd PR
      [Milligan]
      10.1.6 Authorize creation of SBC R7 & forwarding to X3 1st PR   
[Milligan]
      10.4 IEEE RAC Report [Snively]
      10.5 12-Byte Commands in SBC [Milligan]
      10.6 READ(6) Mandatory in SBC [Milligan]
      10.7 Mode Page Code 2Ah [Roberts]
      11.3 SCSI-2 Corrigenda [Milligan]
      11.4 JTC-1 Reorganization [Milligan]
      11.5 Tag Ballot [Milligan]

3.    Attendance and Membership

The membership requirements were reviewed.  X3 rules permit one vote per
organization.  An individual from a new organization must attend two out   
of
three consecutive plenary meetings.  He/she may apply for voting   
membership
the second meeting via a letter to the Chair of X3T10.  The individual   
may
vote at the second plenary meeting.  Working group meetings do not count
toward attendance requirements.

Organizations must also pay the X3 Service Fee ($300) to maintain   
membership.
The ANSI International Program Fee (also $300) is billed at the same   
time.

The Chair said he had sent letters to 21 people from 9 organizations   
informing
them that their membership was in jeopardy due to non-attendance (see 96-
033r0) and that their membership would be terminated if they did not   
attend
this meeting.  All organizations were represented at this meeting except:

Hitachi (not Hitachi Cable)
Methode Electronics

All members from the non-attending organizations were changed to observer
status.  First alternates were dropped from the list.

The X3T10 membership during the meeting was 47 organizations down from 49
organizations last time.  Enclosure (1) is the list of the people present   
at
the meeting and enclosure (2) is the current X3T10 membership list.

4.    Approval of Minutes - September Meeting Natick, MA (X3T10/96-235r1)

The minutes were approved as written.

5.    Document Distribution

Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Katrina Gray (kgray at itic.nw.dc.us) (202) 626-5741.

Larry Lamers requested that all documents for the next mailing be in his   
hands
in electronic format by 10:30 a.m. on Thursday November 14, 1996.   
 Documents
received after this time will go into a subsequent mailing.

Larry Lamers reminded the committee of the requirements for document
submission to be included in the committee mailing.  Since X3T10 meets   
its
document archiving requirements by including the X3 Secretariat on the   
mailing
list, documents included in the mailing must be suitable for archiving.   
 This
means that native-format electronic originals with proper identification   
must
be submitted.  Document X3T10/95-147 contains the list of requirements   
for
submissions.  Document X3T10/95-361r0 contains instructions for   
expeditious
delivery of documents to Larry.

The electronic copies can be sent directly to Larry by email (at
ljlamers at corp.adaptec.com), placed on the SCSI BBS (719-533-7950), or   
they can
be transferred by ftp protocol to ftp.symbios.com and placed in the
/pub/standards/io/incoming directory. In the latter two cases, please   
also
send an email to Larry (at ljlamers at aol.com) informing him of the exact   
file
name and location of the file.

As usual, minutes are also available on the SCSI BBS (719-533-7950) and   
will
be distributed to the SCSI Reflector.

To be added to the SCSI Reflector, send an email to majordomo at symbios.com   
with
the line 'subscribe scsi' in the message body.  The X3 Secretariat   
maintains a
World Wide Web page at http://www.x3.org.  Symbios Logic maintains a   
World
Wide Web page on behalf of X3T10 at http://www.symbios.com/x3t10.

The current document register is enclosure (3).

5.1   Results of Letter Ballot 96-039R0 on Elimination of Paper Mailings   
in
1997 (96-044 r0) [Lohmeyer]

John Lohmeyer reported that the letter ballot to eliminate paper mailings
passed, 39:6:0:4=49.  The four organizations that did not return there   
letter
ballots were AMP, FSI Consulting, Panasonic, and Philips.

However, the X3 Secretariat has decided to offer paper mailings anyway.   
 The
cost of paper mailings in 1997 will be $900 US and $1,400 Foreign.

5.2   Web Voting [Lohmeyer]

John Lohmeyer described the WWW electronic voting procedure that X3T10   
will
use for the letter ballots anticipated after this committee meeting.  The
committee discussed details of the electronic voting procedures.  John   
noted
that electronic voting is accomplished at
http://www.symbios.com/x3t10/members/.  Those members without web access   
may
still vote by email to john.lohmeyer at symbios.com.

6.    Call for Patents

This is a regular agenda item to identify any potential patent issues   
with
developing standards.

A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge.  This   
document is
also on the WWW at http://www.x3.org/help/ansi_sdo.html.  Annex I   
contains the
ANSI patent policy.  Amy Marasco manages patent issues for ANSI and can   
be
contacted at amarasco at ansi.org or 212-642-4954.

7.    Review of Old Action Items

163)  Larry Lamers, John Lohmeyer and Gene Milligan will notify the   
membership
      of X3T10 and X3T13 that the Boot Considerations TR project might be
      dropped. Complete
172)  John Lohmeyer will add an agenda item to discuss the SCSI Roadmap,   
the
      standards family bibliography, and the definition of SCSI vs.   
SCSI-3 at
      the next General SCSI Working Group meeting.  Complete
173)  Ron Roberts will complete SBP revision 22a and deliver it to Larry   
for
      the mailing. Complete
174)  John Lohmeyer will forward SBP revision 22a to X3 for further   
processing
      for X3 letter ballot. Complete
175)  John Lohmeyer will inform the X3 Secretariat that X3T10 recommends
      Project 998-D be withdrawn. Complete
176)  John Lohmeyer will forward 96-221 as revised to X3 (to revise the   
scope
      of SPI-2 to include SIP). Complete
177)  John Lohmeyer will inform X3 of the X3T10 recommendation to   
reaffirm
      X3.91M:1987 (SMD-E). Complete
178)  John Lohmeyer will forward the SPC-2 Project Proposal (96-225r0) to   
X3
      for further processing. Complete
179)  Gene Milligan will take the necessary actions to recommend the   
inclusion
      of the changes in 96-239 into the ISO version of SCC. Complete

8.    Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports

8.1   Project Status Summary and X3/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]

John Lohmeyer said that the current X3T10 project status summary was   
included
in the X3T10 Information Packages and will be included in the mailing as
usual.

John informed the committee that Lynn Barra has left the X3 Secretariat.
Committee leadership should contact Kate McMillan, as Lynn's temporary
substitute.

8.2   X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Lamers]

Larry Lamers, the X3T10.1 chair, made an oral report to the committee and
provided the following electronic report for the minutes:

                                X3T10.1 Report
                          Larry Lamers, Chair X3T10.1

X3T10.1 met in Lahaina, HI on Wednesday, October 30, 1996 with 11 people
present.
Membership is now at 12 voting organizations of which 9 were in   
attendance.

The second generation SSA documents (PH2, TL2, and S3P) were forwarded to
X3T10 with a role call vote of 10:1:0:1.

X3T10.1 requests that a letter ballot be conducted on these working   
drafts
with a closing date of January 21, 1997.

A motion was taken to modify the plenary meeting schedule as detailed   
below.
The motion carried 11:0:0:1.

The next plenary meeting of X3T10.1 will be February 26, 1997, in Austin,   
TX
at the Doubletree on I-35 North, phone:  (512) 454-3737,   fax:  (512)   
454-
6915  hosted by IBM.  The meeting will begin at 3:00 p.m.

The long-term schedule for X3T10.1 plenary meetings is:
Thursday, June 12, 1997 in Seattle, WA.
Thursday, October 9, 1997 in Tuscon, AZ.
Thursday, February 12, 1998 in *.

John described his plans to issue the three letter ballots requested by
X3T10.1, as per the request of X3T10.1.  The committee raised no   
objections to
John's plans.

8.3   SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status {Project 855-D} [Lamers]

Larry Lamers reported that he has received his ANSI printed copy of SPI,
indicating the completion of the SPI project.  John noted that this item   
will
be removed from future agendas.

8.4   SPI Amendment (SPIAmnd) {Project 0855-D} [Johansson/Lamers]

Larry Lamers announced that working group has completed a detailed review   
of
the SPI Amendment.  Larry offered electronic copies of the latest SPI
Amendment to anyone interested.  Larry announced that the latest SPI   
Amendment
will be in the next committee mailing and that actions toward forwarding   
will
be undertaken at the January meeting.

8.5   SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status {Project 856-D} [Penokie]

George Penokie announced that the second public review period closes on   
12
November.  He knows of no comments from the second public review.  If   
there
are no comments, SIP will proceed to X3 letter ballot and ultimately to
publication.

8.6   SCSI Common Access Method -3 (CAM-3) Status {Project 990-D}   
[Dallas]

Bill Dallas was absent and there was no status to report.

8.7   SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status {Project 992-D} [Roberts]

John Lohmeyer reported that the X3 letter ballot on SBP closes on 31   
December
1996.

8.8   SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status {Project 994-D} [Monia]

Charles Monia reported that he has received the ANSI published SAM, which
indicates final publication of SAM.

8.9   SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status {Project 995-D} [Weber]

John Lohmeyer reported that the first public review closes on 12 November
1996.  Ralph reported that the working group agreed on resolutions for   
the
public review comments received so far and anticipated.  Plenary action   
on the
proposed resolution of these comments was anticipated later in this   
meeting.

8.10  SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) Status {Project 996-D} [Milligan]

Gene Milligan reported that SBC revision 6 was distributed at the working
group meeting.  Technical issues in SBC revision 6 were discussed in the
general SCSI working group meeting (96-258).  Editorial issues will be
reviewed in an editor's meeting on 8 November 1996.

8.11  SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Lappin]

Ted Lappin reported on the SSC work undertaken by the SSC/SMC working   
group
meeting (minutes in 96-274). Ted requested an editing session for SSC   
during
the January meeting week.

8.12  SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) Status {Project 998-D} [Tewell]

John Lohmeyer reported that withdrawal of SGC was on the OMC agenda for   
next
week.

8.13  SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands (SMC) Status {Project 999-D}   
[Oetting]

Erich Oetting reported on two SMC proposals discussed at the SSC/SMC   
working
group (minutes in 96-274).

8.14  SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) Status {Project 1047-D} [Penokie]

John Lohmeyer reported that SCC is on its way to ANSI for publication.

8.15  Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]

Ron Roberts reported that the MMC letter ballot comments have been   
resolved.
Action on the comments resolution was anticipated later in this meeting.

8.16  SCSI Parallel Interface - 2 (SPI-2) {Project 1142-D} [Ham]

John Lohmeyer reported that the LVD portion of SPI-2 continues to be   
stable.
The work on SPI-2 is focused on integrating the several physical   
documents
into SPI-2, as decided by past plenary votes.  Larry Lamers noted that
identifying the integration issues is currently the major activity.   
 Minutes
of the most recent SPI-2 working group meeting can be found in 96-257.

Gene Milligan raised a concern about how terminators are handled in   
SPI-2.

8.17  SCSI Enhanced Parallel Interface (EPI) Technical Report {Project   
1143-D}
[Ham]

Larry Lamers reported that revision 7 of EPI is available.  John and   
Larry
described the EPI discussion at the general SCSI working group (minutes   
in 96-
258).

8.18  SCSI Fibre Channel Protocol - 2 (FCP-2) {Project 1144-D} [Snively]

No report.

8.19  Boot Considerations Technical Report {Project 1154-DT}  [Lamers]

(See 10.1.4)

8.20  SCSI Serial Bus Protocol - 2 (SBP-2) {Project 1155-D} [Johansson]

Peter Johansson reviewed the actions of the SBP working group.  He said   
that
the asynchronous operating mode of SBP-2 is felt to be very stable.  The
working group has recommended that the project be split into two separate
projects.

Peter presented a revised SBP-2 project proposal (96-255r0) and a project
proposal for SCSI-3 Transport over SBP-2 (96-256r0).

Peter moved that 96-255r0 be approved as an amendment to project 1155-D   
and
that 96-256r0 be approved for forwarding to X3 for creation of a new   
project.
Bob Snively seconded the motion.  The motion passed 33:0:0:14=47.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward 96-255 to X3 for processing   
as an
amendment for project 1155-D. John Lohmeyer took an action item to   
forward 96-
256 to X3 for processing toward the creation of a new project.

8.21  SCSI Architecture Model - 2 (SAM-2) {Project 1157-D} [Monia]

No report.

8.22  SCSI-3 Enclosure Commands (SES) {Project 1212-D} [Snively]

Bob Snively reported on the activities of the SES review during the   
working
group on Monday (minutes in 96-257).  Bob reviewed the resolution to   
concerns
raised in the letter ballot review regarding the required use of the   
FC-PH
globally unique name, the use of the REPORT bit in two data formats, and   
other
specific topics raised by the letter ballot review.

Bob described a request to reserve diagnostic page codes 01h through 0Fh   
for
use by SES.

Bob moved that 96-249r1 (r0 plus the results of the working group   
discussion)
be accepted as the resolving the letter ballot comments on SES.  Ralph   
Weber
seconded the motion.  The motion passed 32:0:0:15=47.

As a result of the comments resolution, Ralph Weber requested that the   
Symbios
No vote on the letter ballot be changed to a Yes.

Bob reported on his interaction with the SAF-TE representatives regarding
interactions between SES and SAF-TE.  He described the planned process by
which SAF-TE 2 would be a profile application document relating SES to   
the
SAF-TE environment.

8.23  High Availability Profile (HAP) Technical Report {Project 1224-DT}
[Hagerman]

Doug Hagerman reported that copies of the High Availability Profile were
distributed at the general SCSI working group (minutes in 96-258).  Doug
requested that working group time be scheduled in January to discuss   
issues in
the profile and that editing time be scheduled to review editorial   
issues.

8.24  SCSI Controller Commands - 2 (SCC-2) {Project 1225-D} [Penokie]

George Penokie reported on the SCC-2 working group meeting (minutes in   
96-
260).  The working group has reached consensus on the high-level RAID-set
creation command.  George requested a SCC-2 working group meeting during   
the
January meeting week.

8.25  Multimedia Command Set - 2 (MMC-2) Status {Project 1228-D}   
[Roberts]

Ron Roberts reported on the activities of the MMC-2 working group and the
joint MMC-2 working group meeting with the SCSI working group (minutes in   
96-
273 and 96-258).  Ron presented a schedule for a total of six MMC-2   
working
group meetings in the months of January through May 1997.

9.    Old Business

9.1   Resolution of Letter Ballot Comments on Forwarding MMC to First   
Public
Review  [Roberts]

Ron Roberts reported that letter ballot comments resolutions were   
incorporated
in MMC revision 8A, distributed in the last committee mailing.  Ron moved   
that
MMC revision 9 be accepted as resolving the letter ballot comments and   
that
MMC revision 9 be forward to X3 for further processing toward first   
public
review.  Devon Worrell seconded the motion.  The motion passed   
33:0:0:14=47.

Based on the resolution of the letter ballot comments George Penokie   
(IBM),
Ralph Weber (Symbios), and Norm Harris (Adaptec) requested that their No   
votes
on the letter ballot be changed to Yes.

Ron Roberts took an action item to prepare MMC revision 9.  John Lohmeyer   
took
an action item to forward MMC revision 9 to X3 for further processing   
toward
first public review.

9.2   Resolution of Letter Ballot Comments on Forwarding SES to First   
Public
Review [Snively]

Bob Snively reported that this agenda item was acted upon previously in   
this
meeting.

9.3   Resolution of Letter Ballot Comments on Forwarding SPI Amendment #1   
to
First Public Review  [Lamers]

John Lohmeyer noted that a new draft of the SPI Amendment will be in the   
next
mailing.  He explained that the committee is proceeding cautiously on   
this
project and asked the committee members, particularly those who are   
interested
in SCAM, to review the new draft carefully.

9.4   Five-year review of X3.146:1986[R1992] Streaming Cartridge and   
Cassette
Tape Drives - Device-level Interface

At the September meeting, the consideration on the motion shown below was
postponed until the November meeting.  John Lohmeyer reported that QIC   
has
agreed that X3.146:1986[R1992] should be withdrawn.  John listed several   
other
conversations the result of which was that there are no objections to
withdrawal of X3.146:1986[R1992].  The group discussed the availability   
of the
standards after X3T10 recommends their withdrawal.  Concerns were   
expressed
that reference copies of standards need to be available after the   
standard is
withdrawn.

The motion was re-opened: that X3T10 recommend to X3 that   
X3.146:1986[R1992]
be withdrawn.  The motion passed 31:0:0:16=47.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to communicate to X3 that X3T10   
recommends
the withdrawal of  ANSI X3.146:1986[R1992].

10.   New Business

10.1  Actions on Working Group Recommendations

10.1.1      Accept 96-198r4 for inclusion in SAM-2 and SPC-2 [Johansson]

Peter Johansson presented 96-198r4 to the committee, describing it as the
working group accepted proposal based on Jim McGrath's proposal for   
simplified
queuing.  He reviewed the details of the proposal.  Peter noted that the
working group recommended the proposal on a vote of 17:2.

Bob Snively moved that 96-298r4 be accepted for inclusion in SAM-2 and   
SPC-2.
Charles Monia seconded the motion.  The motion passed 31:2:3:11=47.

10.1.2      Accept 96-263r0 for inclusion in SPC-2 [Coughlan]

John Lohmeyer described 96-263r0 as describing extensions to persistent
reservations.  Bob Snively moved that 96-263r0 be accepted for inclusion   
in
SPC-2.  Gary Porter seconded the motion.  There was a brief discussion of
possible effects on SPC, the result of which was that no changes will be   
made
in SPC without public review comments.  The motion passed 23:0:0:24=47.

10.1.3      Make REZERO UNIT and SEARCH XXX obsolete in SBC [Milligan]

Gene Milligan described previous activities regarding making the SEEK,   
REZERO
UNIT, and SEARCH DATA XXX commands obsolete in SBC.  Gene moved the   
plenary
accept the SCSI working group recommendation that the SEEK(6), REZERO   
UNIT,
and all SEARCH DATA commands be made obsolete in SBC and that a statement   
be
added to the SEEK(10) command that this commands is included for use by   
MMC
and a hint that the use is for pre-fetch.  Gary Porter seconded the   
motion.
The motion passed 33:0:0:14=47.

10.1.4      Withdraw Greater Than 8 GB Booting TR [Lohmeyer]

Based on the working group's recommendation, Peter Johansson moved that
project 1154-DT, Boot Considerations Technical Report be withdrawn.  Ed
Gardner seconded the motion.  The motion passed 33:0:0:14=47.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to inform X3 that X3T10 recommends
withdrawal of 1154-DT, Boot Considerations Technical Report.

10.1.5      Authorize creation of SPC R11 & forwarding to X3 for 2nd PR
[Milligan]

Gene Milligan moved that the technical editor be instructed to prepare   
SPC
revision 11 based on the working group resolutions of the public review
comments received from DEC and pre-forwarded to X3T10 by IBM and that the
chair be authorized to prepare responses to the public review comments   
and to
forward SPC revision 11 to X3 for further processing toward second public
review, provided no additional comments are received.  Bob Snively   
seconded
the motion.  The motion passed 35:0:0:12=47.

Ralph Weber took an action item to prepare SPC revision 11. John Lohmeyer   
took
an action item to forward SPC revision 11 to X3 for further processing   
toward
second public review assuming no other comments are received.  John   
Lohmeyer
took an action item to prepare response letters to those organizations
submitting public review comments on SPC.

10.1.6      Authorize creation of SBC R7 & forwarding to X3 for 1st PR
[Milligan]

Gene Milligan moved that X3T10 instruct the editing ad hoc to work with   
the
editor to agree on the edited text for the changes authorized by the   
plenary
along with any other editorial corrections from the ad hoc; instruct the
editor to produce a resultant revision 7; and request the chair to   
conduct a
forwarding letter ballot using revision 7.  George Penokie seconded the
motion.  The motion passed 33:0:0:14=47.

10.2  Proposal to amend Project 1155-D (SBP-2) to be command set neutral
[Johansson]

Action on this topic was taken earlier in this meeting (see 8.20).

10.3  Project Proposal for SCSI-3 Transport over SBP-2 [Johansson]

Action on this topic was taken earlier in this meeting (see 8.20).

10.4  IEEE RAC Report [Snively]

Bob Snively reported on a meeting of the IEEE Registration Authority   
Committee
held on 23 October 1996 (see 96-276 for Bob's written notes).  At that
meeting, IEEE approved of X3T10 use of IEEE organization identifiers to   
create
globally unique identifiers.  As a result of the IEEE meeting Bob Snively   
took
the following action items:  1) Bob Snively will complete definition of   
the
usage of IEEE organization identifiers in FC-PH.  2) Bob Snively will   
prepare
a tutorial for FC usage of IEEE organization identifiers.  3) Bob Snively   
will
prepare a tutorial for SCSI usage of IEEE organization identifiers.  Bob   
noted
that IEEE took an action item to clarify the structure of their web page
indexes.

Bob noted that the IEEE web site contains a list of assigned IEEE   
organization
identifiers and is located at   
http://stdsbbs.ieee.org/products/oui/ouilst.htm.

Charles Monia thanked Bob for his work on IEEE identifiers.

10.5  12-Byte Commands in SBC [Milligan]

Gene Milligan moved that the plenary accept the SCSI working group
recommendation that the READ(12), SET LIMITS(12), and WRITE(12) command   
be
made applicable to all block devices in SBC.  Devon Worrell seconded the
motion.  The motion passed 38:0:0:9=47.

10.6  READ(6) Mandatory in SBC [Milligan]

Gene Milligan moved that READ(6) be made mandatory in SBC revision 7   
along
with a statement that even though this command will not accommodate the   
full
capacity of some devices it may be required during the boot process on   
some
systems.  George Penokie seconded the motion.  The motion 27:6:0:14=47.   
 J.R.
Sims of Hewlett Packard provided the following reason for his negative   
vote:
"READ(6) is more appropriate obsolete, which indicates that is desirable   
for
backwards compatibility, but that new implementations not use it.   
 READ(6)
just carries forward one extra for yet another generation."

10.7  Mode Page Code 2Ah [Roberts]

Ron Roberts moved that mode page code 2Ah, CD Capabilities and Mechanism
Status be made device type specific for all device types in SPC revision   
11.
John Lohmeyer seconded the motion.  The motion 29:3:0:15=47.

11.   ISO

11.1  ISO Report [Milligan]

Gene Milligan, the X3T10 International Representative, provided the   
following
electronic report:

                              November ISO Report

The letter ballot to fast track of X3.232:1996 SCSI CAM closed 9/16/96   
with
passing vote of 27:2:0:20.

X3T11 submitted CD drafts for IPI-3 Disk, IPI-4 Tape, HIP PI-FC,   
HIPPI-Serial,
HIPPI-ATM, HIPPI-SC, FC-AL, FC-SB, FC-PH-2, FC-PH-3, FC-GS, & FC-FP. SC   
25 has
in turn distributed CD ballots with an international closing of 3/31/97   
and a
TAG closing of 3/7/97 as follows: N324 CD 9318-4 IPI-3 Tape; N325 CD   
11518-8
HIPPI ATM; N326 CD 14165-121 FC-AL; N327 CD 14165-221 FC-SB; N328 CD   
14165-112
FC PH-2; N329 CD 14165-113 FC-PH-3; N330 CD 14165-211 FC-FP; N331 CD   
11518-9
HIPPI-SE; N332 CD 14165-411 FC-GS.

X3T12 submitted a Yes vote with comment CD 9314-20 FDDI PMD-ATS and Yes   
votes
on CD 9314-21 FDDI PHY-ATS; CD 9314-26 FDDI MAC-ATS; and YES on ISO/IEC   
JTC 1
FDDI SMF-PMD DIS 9314-4.

The IR sent out a reflector message concerning the IEEE letter asking if   
we
wished to be listed for liaison on the IEEE P1596.8 Parallel Connection   
to SCI
& 1394.2. A few responses were received which discussed the project but   
did
not address the liaison question. Consequently the IR decided to take the   
safe
route and accepted the offer to be listed as liaison on this project.

There is an ongoing effort in JTC 1 to re-engineer the organization and   
their
procedures and processes to make the organization more responsive to   
market
needs. Beyond procedures to embrace Publicly Available Specifications,
automation and increased use of the Internet facilities, the   
re-engineering
effort has resulted in a proposal from Joel Urman of IBM to reorganize   
JTC 1
into groups as follows:

Group I: Communications/Networking Services - SC 6; SC 25 WG 3,4; SC 21   
WG
4,7; & SC 18 WG 4
Group II: Electronic Commerce Services - SC 30
Group III: Data Management and Portability Services - SC 22  WG 15; SC   
17;
Group IV: Standardized Data Structures for Transport of Info. Svs. - SC   
11; SC
23
Group V: Data Interchange and Representation Services - SC 2; SC 14; SC   
22 WG
20; SC 21 WG 3, 8, 9
Group VI: Data Presentation Services - SC 22 WG 22; SC 18 WG 3, 8, 9
Group VII: Hardware Technology Services - SC 26; SC 28
Group VIII: Multimedia Services - SC 24; SC 29 (The committee that won an   
Emmy
for JPEG & MPEG.)
Group IX: Home Electronic Services - SC 25 WG 1
Group X: Development Tools and Techniques Services - SC 22 all WG except   
15,
20, 22; SC 7
Special Group on Vocabulary:       SC 1
Special Group on Security:         SC 27

If the concept of the business groups were to be implemented our   
projects, in
my opinion overlap into Groups I, VII, and VIII. Since we are more of an
enabling activity, it seems to me Group VII would be the most logical   
home but
we have vital interest in the other groups.

An early step in the reengineering was to change the balloting   
procedures. The
changes result in modification to the directives which:
a)    provide for multiple CD ballots culminating in a final SC CD ballot
   which is the last ballot of no less than four months and 14 days and
   extendible to six months and fourteen days which allows substantive   
changes.
b)    changes the DIS ballot of four months to a two month Final DIS   
(FDIS)
   ballot on which only up/down votes are allowed. Although no   
substantive
   changes can be proposed, it appears minor changes are allowed.
c)    Fast Track ballots remain as a six month six months an allows   
comments
   to be addressed by the SC.

The two month FDIS ballot is not congruent with the current US TAG   
procedures.
Consequently changes to the procedures are being proposed. One of the
proposals is to use a default ballot rather than a proactive ballot.   
Comments
are solicited.

JT96-0444  96/10/18  summarizes the JTC 1 TAG 1997 Budget and Fees. In   
1996
the JTC 1 TAG had an income of $689K. Downsizing is projected to yield an
income of $226K in 1997. The 1996 expenses were $824K for a deficit of   
$135K.
Completion of the automation projects and staff downsizing has resulted   
in a
1997 expense projection of  $255K for a deficit of $29K. The reason for   
the
deficit is that the JTC 1 TAG decided not to raise subcommittee fees and   
also
decided to date to limit the JTC 1 TAG fee increase to 18%. The fee   
change
raises the: Producer/Government fee from $6,715 to $7,900; User A from   
$4,918
to $5,800; User B from $1,343 to $1,600; User Groups & Societies from   
$4,029
to $4,750; Observers from $2,212 to $2,600; and SDOs unchanged at $1,150.
Waivers of 1996 fees totaled $4,029 and $4,750 is projected for 1997.

The ISO/IEC DIS 14575: Heterogeneous InterConnect (HIC) (low cost, low
latency, scaleable, serial interconnect for parallel stuff) JTC 1 ballot   
has a
due date of 01/26/97.

An updated list of international documents is attached to this report.

  DOC_NO     ORIG_DATE   DESCRIPTION
===========  =========   ==============================================
  SC25N310   96/07/05    Approved Resolutions of 6th SC25 Plenary
  X3T11/IR   96/07/06    Transmittal of CD IPI-3 Disk, IPI-4 Tape, HIP
                        PI-FC, HIPPI-Serial, HIPPI-ATM, HIPPI-SC
  X3T11/IR   96/07/06    Transmittal of CD FC-AL, FC-SB, FC-PH-2,FC-PH-3,
                        FC-GS, & FC-FP
  T159/4N372 96/07/11    Guidelines for Implementation of Vienna Agree
  1N4172     96/07/29    Response to N3996 Relationship with Regional
Workshops on Open Systems
  25N311     96/08/06    Draft Minutes SC 25 London Meeting
  IR96020    96/08/15    LB to fast track X3.232:1996 SCSI CAM
  IR96014    96/08/27    Editor's report and DIS 9314-6 FDDI SMT Text
  IR96015    96/08/27    Editor's report and DIS 9314-7 FDDI PHY-2 Txt
  IR96016a   96/08/27    Editor's report and DIS 9314-8 FDDI MAC-2 Txt
  IR96016b   96/09/02    Yes vote with comment CD 9314-20 FDDI PMD-ATS
  IR96017    96/09/02    Yes vote  CD 9314-21 FDDI PHY-ATS
  IR96018    96/09/02    Yes vote  CD 9314-26 FDDI MAC-ATS
  IR96019    96/09/02    Liaison statement to IEC TC 100
  IR96021    96/09/19    Editors report and DIS9314-25 FDDI SMT-ATS Te
  von Pattay 96/10/10    Request for distribution of DIS 9314-25
                        FDDI SMT-ATS for 4 month ballot
  von Pattay 96/10/11    What happened to von Pattay's comments on CD   
9314-13
                        FDDI CT-PICS
  25N336     96/10/15    Resolution of Comments CD 9314-25
  IR96022    96/10/18    YES on ISO/IEC JTC 1  FDDI SMF-PMD DIS 9314-4.
  IR96023    96/10/18    Acceptance of liaison on IEEE P1596.8
Parallel Connection to SCI & 1394.2
  JT96-0444  96/10/18    JTC 1 TAG 1997 Budget and Fees

11.2  Results of Letter Ballot on recommending that X3.232:1996 (CAM) be
submitted to ISO/IEC JTC 1 for Fast Track (IR96020) [Milligan]

Gene Milligan reported that CAM Fast Track letter ballot passed   
27:2:0:20=49.
Gene reported on SCSI Reflector discussions regarding handling the CAM   
Fast
Track and the committee discussed the SCSI Reflector message traffic.   
 Gene
Milligan moved that the committee approve the response that effectively   
read:
"Thank you for your comments, but we are forwarding CAM for Fast Track"   
and
that the IR be instructed to process CAM for Fast Track consideration at
ISO/IEC JTC 1.  Charles Monia seconded the motion.  The motion passed
31:2:0:14=47.  Ed Gardner offered the following explanation for his   
negative
vote: "The response does not address my comments.  Indeed, it describes a
compelling rationale for why CAM should not be a standard."

Gene Milligan took an action item to initiate ISO Fast Track processing   
of
CAM.

11.3  SCSI-2 Corrigenda [Milligan]

Gene Milligan reviewed the history of SCSI-2 revisions, with the help of   
Larry
Lamers.  Gene described the error reported by SC25/WG4L3 and the SCSI   
working
group recommended responses.  Gene Milligan moved that the IR send a   
favorable
response to the proposed SCSI-2 corrigendum (SC25/WG4L3) with the   
revisions
recommended by the SCSI working group along with the dimensions confirmed   
by
AMP.  Charles Monia seconded the motion.  The motion passed 33:0:0:14=47.

Gene Milligan took an action item to send a favorable response to the   
proposed
SCSI-2 corrigendum.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to add reconsideration of SCSI-2 to the
agenda for the next general SCSI working group meeting.

11.4  JTC-1 Reorganization [Milligan]

Gene Milligan lead the committee in a discussion of the proposed JTC-1
reorganization.  Larry Lamers moved that X3T10 recommend the   
establishment of
an ISO group on I/O technology.  Charles Monia seconded the motion.  The
motion passed unanimously.

11.5  Tag Ballot [Milligan]

Gene Milligan told the committee that the U.S. will have two months to   
respond
on the final DIS ballots on international standards.  He expressed the   
belief
that electronic letter ballots solve the problem.  Gene asked the   
committee to
consider the use of "default ballots" (i.e., no negative votes means
approval).

      Chair's note:  The X3 rules (SD-2) apparently reserve the default   
ballot
      voting method to X3 only.  Also, since a single negative ballot   
causes
      the default ballot to fail, default ballots are only useful for   
non-
      controversial matters.

12.   Liaison Reports

12.1  X3T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]

Roger Cummings, X3T11 Chair, delivered an oral report and provided the
following electronic report:

X3T11 met on October 9, 1996 with 114 people in attendance.  Cable Design
Technologies and Netstar lost membership.  Lucent Technologies and   
Solution
Technology were added as a new member organizations, and the existing   
AT&T
membership was renamed NCR.  The membership of X3T11 remains at 71
organizations.

Public Reviews ended on September 17, 1996 for the Revised HIPPI-SC   
(X3.222-
199x), HIPPI-ATM (X3.299-199x) and HIPPI Serial (X3.300- 199x) projects.   
No
comments were received, but suggestions were received from the ANSI   
editor on
all drafts. All suggestions were reviewed, and responses were discussed.

Rollcall votes "that the changes be accepted by X3T11, and that the new
revision be accepted as the final dpANS for the Project with the
recommendation that the changes between it and the revision which   
underwent
first Public Review be regarded as non-substantive" were made for five
projects with the following results (which all met the 2/3rds rule):

Revised HIPPI-SC, Revision 3.2, Project 818-R, F54-O00-DNV17
HIPPI-ATM, Revision 1.8, Project 1026-D, F46-O00-DNV25
HIPPI Serial, Revision 2.7, Project 1117-D, F54-O00-DNV17
FC-PH-2, Revision 7.4, Project 901-D, F52-O00-DNV19
SBCON, Revision 2.3, Project 1132-D, F51-O01-DNV19

A rollcall vote to forward FC-PH-3 Rev 9.1 for further processing,   
including
and OMC compliance review and a first Public Review, passed with F54-O00-
DNV17.

It was reported that HIPPI-FC has been published as X3.283-1996, and that   
the
X3 LB on the reaffirmation of X3.183-1991, HIPPI-PH passed.

Notification was received from OMC of the need to reaffirm six X3T11   
standards
in 1997. It is intended to make a motion that:

ANSI X3.129-1986[R1992] IPI Physical (IPI-1PH)
ANSI X3.201-1992, IPI Enhanced Physical (EIPI-1PH)
ANSI/ISO 9318-2:1992 IPI Device Specific Disk (IPI-2D)

NOT be reaffirmed at the December X3T11 Plenary. For the other three
standards, the intent is that:

ANSI/ISO 9318-3:1992 IPI Device Generic Disk (IPI-3D)
ANSI/ISO 9318-4:1992 IPI Device Generic Tape (IPI-3T)

be replaced by the revisions currently being processed, and a project   
proposal
will be introduced for a revision to:

ANSI X3.210-1992, HIPPI Framing Protocol (HIPPI-FP).

A postponed motion on a proposal from the Fibre Channel Loop Community   
(FCLC),
requesting the assignment of a code point to allow them to establish a   
service
to provide unique FC identifiers, was further postponed until the next   
Plenary
by F20-O09-A24-DNV18.

Project proposals were approved for further processing as follows:

FC-AV (Audio-Video), F57-O00-DNV14
FC-BB (Backbone), F44-O02-DNV25

Both of the above votes met the two-thirds rule.

A major proposal from IBM, Seagate and Adaptec for future loop   
functionality
was introduced, and reviewed in detail at an Ad Hoc following the   
Plenary. A
motion that "the term FC-EL not appear in any X3T11 projects in the next   
year,
and that the sense of this committee be that the term FC-EL not be used   
in
relation to any of the proposals presently under consideration" was   
approved
by F29- O06-A19-DNV19. The major proposal was then renamed "Aaron", in   
honor
of the IBM presenter's new grandson, and with apologies to his maternal   
grand
mother. (In future, proposals to X3T11 will follow the NWS-approved names   
for
Atlantic Basin hurricanes.) A press release on the subject of this   
proposal
was also edited, and the revised version approved by F37-O00-A05-DNV29.

The next meeting of X3T11 is being hosted by hosted by Horst Truestedt of   
IBM
during the week of December 2-6, 1996 at the Embassy Suites Hotel in
Bloomington, MN. The rate is $119 plus tax and group name is X3T11/IBM.   
The
phone number is (612)854-100. The Plenary meeting is on Wednesday,   
December 4.
Interim study and ad hoc meetings are approved for:

FC-SW       10/30-31 Minneapolis, MN
            11/14-15 San Jose, CA
 HIPPI            11/6-7  Phoenix, AZ
FC-SL and   11/11-12 San Jose, CA
  Loop Futures
Jitter Study      11/7-8   Sunnyvale, CA
FC-AV       11/12-13 San Jose, CA

The "FC-SL and Loop Futures" meeting was approved after considerable
discussion and many motions and amendments by F20-O19- A03-DNV29.

12.2  X3T13 Liaison Report [Milligan]

Gene Milligan provided the following electronic report:

                                 X3T13 Report

The X3T13 membership now comprises 30 organizations. The ATA-2 final   
edits
have been returned by the ANSI editorial staff for Larry Lamers to check   
prior
to publication.

The X3 letter ballot on ATA-3 closes on December 13, 1996.  The OMC   
compliance
review is being done concurrently. The public review results were   
publicized
in a press release PR/96-081. Paul Raikunen was requested to submit a   
comment
on the Digital Equipment ballot regarding the DREQ to DMARQ transition
description in the register descriptions. X3T13 has approved a response   
to the
expected X3 letter ballot results by  informing X3 that X3T13 accepts the
Digital Equipment comment that DMARQ be changed to DMACK in the clause on   
IO
Register Descriptions and that the chair be directed to request at least   
a
press release to inform users that the change was being made.

ATA/ATAPI-4 - Project 1153D  rev 7 was accepted as the current working   
draft.
The schedule be adjusted to allow a thorough review  pushing out the   
schedule
by two meeting cycles. X3T13 has cut-off  new proposals for this project.

X3T13 accepted the proposal, as modified for strong command overlap and
queuing of the READ DMA and WRITE DMA register commands along with   
protocols
for tagging, release and service for packet commands.

X3T13 assigned the option pinouts for both unitized connectors SFF TBD &   
TBD
to be incorporated into ATA/ATAPI-4.

A method of Feature Reporting (D96103) was also approved. The plenary   
passed a
motion to  prohibit the use of the DEVICE RESET command in register based
devices. A New Obsolete Bit was added which indicates inability of an   
ATAPI
device to accept a device reset command while busy. This bit was added to
accommodate devices which have implemented ATAPI with ATA protocol chips.

A Security Erase proposal was reviewed and changes are being processed.   
There
have been requests received for functionality not provided by the SCSI-3
function.

The Ultra DMA/33 (D96153r1) proposal for Ultra DMA/33 went through an
introductory walk through and a detailed review has been scheduled for   
the
November ad-hoc. Mark Evans reported at the X3T13 meeting that a patent   
has
been applied for regarding the DMA-33 and that Quantum will abide by the   
ANSI
patent policy.

At the moment the X3T13 project Open Issues List comprises support for
removable media.

Oak Technology has a patent approved in Europe which has been reported to
apply to implementation of the ATAPI portion of the standard.  As of the   
X3T13
meeting we did not know what Oak Technology's position is relative to   
it's
relationship to the standard nor to their position on the ANSI patent   
policy.

The Enhanced BIOS Disk Drive Technical Report (D1228r1) will be reviewed   
in
detail at the November ad-hoc.

The next plenary meeting of X3T13 will be January 24, 1997 at the Seagate
Facility in San Jose, CA, hosted by Seagate.

The plenary authorized the following ad hoc meetings:

      Date                    Location      Host              Contact
      November 13-15, 1996    Irvine, CA    Western Digital   Tom Hanan
      January 22-24, 1997 *   San Jose, CA  Seagate           Marc   
Noblitt

Greater detail about X3T13 activity and documents can be accessed via the   
web
site, http://www.X3T13.com; the ftp site x3t13.dt.wdc.com/x3t13; and the
reflector, x3t13 at dt.wdc.com.  Subscriptions to the reflector should be   
sent to
majordomo at dt.wdc.com, with "subscribe x3t13" in the body.

12.3  SFF Industry Group [Allan]

Dal Allan provided the following report:

SFF Committee Report

An SFF Committee meeting was held in Honolulu on October 22 to complement   
the
X3T13 meetings. It was well-attended, with a large number of new faces in
attendance.

 - Jay Neer summarized the operations of SFF, and the projects which are
involved with form factors and connectors.
 - Yukinori Okazaki described SFF-8070i, the Removable Rewritable Media
command set for ATAPI devices.
 - Neil Sugie held a SSWG to cover SFF-8080, the CD-R/E command set for   
ATAPI
devices the previous afternoon. The most obvious change will be in name   
to CD-
R/RW for Rewritable.
 - Devon Worrell converted what was to be a presentation into a SSWG. He
distributed copies of SFF-8090 for DVD (Digital Video Disk) to be the   
basis of
a new SFF project. SFF-8090 introduces a new approach, which is to make
operations independent of the transport mechanism. Capabilities which may
exist in the physical interface will be duplicated in the command set.

Beyond SFF-8090 there is a requirement for a single specification which
integrates all the ATAPI command sets and describes how all devices react   
to
the same conditions. Microsoft has made known that the baseline for all   
ATAPI
support will be SFF-8020 Rev 3.0. No-one objected to the idea of a   
project
which will remove all references to the ATAPI transport, and reference   
them to
the X3T13 ATA/ATAPI-4 draft.

The November meetings were held in X3T10 week.

SFF-8450 on SCA-2 connectors has been completed, and it was recommended   
to go
to a letter ballot.

One item in SFF-8440 prevents VHDCI from being completed. The proposed
footprint of the stacked VHDCI connector is not acceptable to many   
members.
AMP and Berg are to supply drawings to be included in the ballot. If
insufficient material is provided, or a decision cannot be made without
argument, the stacked connector will be moved to VHDCI-2 so that SFF-8440   
can
be published. Work on VHDCI-2 will begin immediately, with increasing   
interest
in 40-pin microSCSI and 50-pin for a network application.

Harvey Waltersdorf reported that the 1.8" and 1.3" form factors are now   
EIA
standards, and the power connector is near publication. Initial contact   
has
begun in pursuing the 2-56 jackscrew standardization at IEC that was   
requested
by X3T10.

No new specifications were submitted for consideration as either   
Information
Specifications or Projects in November. SFF-8090 for DVD (Digital Video   
Disc)
was received in October, during the same week as X3T13.

A new project will be started to document the 2mm connector as used on   
1.8", 2
1/2", and other drives. Toshiba America and AMP both reported incidents   
of
undue insertion forces which have been initially attributed to a   
tolerance
issue on the pins as documented in the form factor specifications/EIA
standards. The project will document both mating interfaces, and may be
expanded to include the backend as well.

The SFF Committee has been provided with the copy of a patent granted to   
Oak
Technology in Europe which claims use of a controller on the ATA   
interface to
attach CD ROM devices. A discussion took place over whether SFF should   
send a
letter to the European Patent Office advising the dates of the first   
public
distribution of ATAPI drafts and the members at that time. The issue will   
be
balloted.

12.4  IEEE 1394 [Johansson]

Peter Johansson submitted the following report from current IEEE 1394
standards development activities.

      IEEE P1394a  Supplement to the Serial Bus Standard

The IEEE approved the Project Authorization Request (PAR) for P1394a   
September
19, 1996. The scope of the project is as follows:

1.    Cables and connectors for a 4-pin variant (from the 6-pin already
   standardized);
2.    Standardization of the PHY/LINK interface, which at present is an
   informative annex to the existing standard;
3.    A connection management protocol, and the necessary CSR facilities,   
for
isochronous data;
4.    Performance enhancements to the PHY layer that are interoperable   
with
   the existing standard, e.g., a method to shorten the arbitration delay   
when
   the last observed Serial Bus activity is an acknowledge packet;
5.    An incremental reconfiguration protocol, invoked when a device is
connected to or disconnected from Serial Bus, which is designed to limit   
the
circumstances under which a Serial Bus reset is necessary;
6.    A technique for Serial Bus topologies that form a physical loop to   
be
resolved into a logical tree structure (required by the existing   
standard)
without user intervention;
7.    Minor corrigenda to the existing standard.

The most recent meeting of P1394a was held October 8, 1996 in Redmond,   
WA.

Most of the technical content of P1394a is already well understood and   
the
work to be accomplished is documentation. Writing assignments were   
accepted by
technical contributors who will forward their work to the Technical   
Editor for
inclusion into the first working draft. A target date of December 15 was
agreed to for the draft.

The working group authorized the formation of a High Speed PHY Task   
Group,
chaired by Mike Teener, to study the issue of a plug-compatible 800 Mbps   
PHY.
The task group is to report back to the working group at a later time   
with
recommendations. During the course of the work, periodic liaison reports   
are
expected from the task group chair.

After a lengthy discussion on methods of encapsulating IP protocol over   
1394,
the working group authorized the formation of a task group to design a   
way to
operate Internet Protocol transport over 1394. The task group should make   
a
proposal for this design to the working group.

Interested parties that wish to follow the activities of the P1394a   
working
group are encouraged to subscribe to the reflector, P1394 at Sun.com.   
Requests to
subscribe should be directed to Bob Snively, bob.snively at sun.com.
The next meeting of P1394a is expected in January. The date(s) have yet   
to be
determined but will be announced over the aforementioned reflector.

      P1394.1 Bridges

Dick Scheel chaired the last meeting of this working group on October 7,   
1996
in Redmond, WA.

The discussions were entirely technical and focused upon the addition of
additional detail to the existing draft of P1394.1

Interested parties that wish to follow the activities of the P1394a   
working
group are encouraged to subscribe to the reflector,   
P1394.Bridges at Sun.com.
Requests to subscribe should be directed to Bob Snively,   
bob.snively at sun.com.

      P1394.2 Gigabit SCI Extensions

William Van Loo chairs this IEEE working group. Regular task group   
meetings
devoted to technical discussion are held each Thursday at Apple Computer.
Contact David James, (408) 974-1321, for details.

Interested parties that wish to follow the activities of the P1394a   
working
group are encouraged to subscribe to the reflector, P1394.2 at Sun.com.   
Requests
to subscribe should be directed to Bob Snively, bob.snively at sun.com.

12.5  IEEE P1285 Status

No report was available.

12.6  PCMCIA Report

No report.

Gene Milligan questioned the existence of any host bus adapter   
development
work in PCMCIA.

In the absence of any objections the committee agreed to drop this item   
from
future agenda.  John agreed to verify that no relevant development work   
is in
progress before actually removing the agenda item.

12.7  SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Jones/Grantham]

STA Liaison Report 11/07/96 to X3T10 (Louis Grantham, Dallas   
Semiconductor)

There was STA meeting today, 11/07/96, and future meetings are planned   
each
month during the week of X3T10 and X3T11 meetings.  STA will have a SCSI
Technology Center at Comdex in the Las Vegas convention center.  STA   
plans to
take the Ultra SCSI Seminar to Japan in March of 1997.

Articles are written for each Computer Technology Review issue and other
publications on SCSI technologies and applications. The charter as well   
as the
activities and direction of STA will be addressed at the meeting in   
December.

The STA Technical Liaison Committee met 11/06/96 and received input from   
X3T10
members.  Topics included SCSI terminology, SPI-2 market issues, feedback   
from
the September meeting, and SCSI connectivity.  There will be continued   
effort
to increase communications between X3T10 and STA through this forum.

The next meeting with X3T10 will commence at the adjournment of the   
SCSI-3
Working Group Wednesday January 8 (5 PM) and will adjourn by 7 PM..  An   
agenda
will be distributed on the SCSI reflector.

13.   Review of Action Items

180)  Larry Lamers will prepare revision 2 of the SPI Amendment.
181)  Roger Cummings will send an email to B. Elliston regarding the   
proposal
      for transporting IP over SCSI.
182)  John Lohmeyer will forward 96-255 to X3 for processing as an   
amendment
      for project 1155-D.
183)  John Lohmeyer will forward 96-256 to X3 for processing toward the
      creation of a new project.
184)  Ron Roberts will prepare MMC revision 9.
185)  John Lohmeyer will forward MMC revision 9 to X3 for further   
processing
      toward first public review.
186)  John Lohmeyer will communicate to X3 that X3T10 recommends the
      withdrawal of X3.146:1986[R1992].
187)  John Lohmeyer will inform X3 that X3T10 recommends withdrawal of   
1154-
      DT, Boot Considerations Technical Report.
188)  Bob Snively will complete definition of the usage of IEEE company
      identifiers in FC-PH.
189)  Bob Snively will prepare a tutorial for FC usage of IEEE company
      identifiers.
190)  Bob Snively will prepare a tutorial for SCSI usage of IEEE company
      identifiers.
191)  Gene Milligan will continue  ISO Fast Track processing of CAM.
192)  Gene Milligan will send a favorable response to the proposed SCSI-2
      corrigendum.
193)  John Lohmeyer will add reconsideration of SCSI-2 based on the
      corrigendum to the agenda for the next general SCSI working group
      meeting.
194)  John Lohmeyer will add a plenary agenda item for a IEEE P1596.8   
Liaison
      Report.
195)  Gene Milligan editor will generate SBC revision 7.
196)  John Lohmeyer will conduct a letter ballot on SBC revision 7 for
      forwarding to first public review.
197)  Ralph Weber editor will generate SPC revision 11.
198)  John Lohmeyer will generate response letters to the people who   
submitted
      public review comments on SPC revision 11.
199)  John Lohmeyer will forward SPC revision 11 to X3 for further   
processing
      toward second public review assuming no other comments are   
received.
200)  Bob Snively will generate SES revision 8.

14.   Meeting Schedule

The next plenary meeting of X3T10 will be January 9, 1997, in Dallas, TX   
at
the Omni Dallas Hotel at Park West (972-869-4300), hosted by Quantum   
Corp.
The meeting will begin at 1:00 p.m. on Thursday.

The meeting list for the next plenary week is:

                            January `97 Meeting Map

Monday 1/6     8   9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9
                   +===========================================+
                   |SPI-2 Working Group                        |   
     (20)
                   +===============================+===========+
                   | SBP-2 Working Group           |   
                 (25)
                   +===============================+
                   | Fibre Channel WG              |   
                 (40)
                   +-------------------------------+

Tuesday 1/7        9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   | SCSI-3 WG  (EPI topics are Tuesday am)    |   
     (40)
                   +===================================+=======+
                   | MMC WG                            |   
             (20)
                   +===============+===============+===+
                   | SCC/RAB WG    | RAB           |   
                 (25)
                   +===============+---------------+
                   | SBP-2 Working Group           |   
                 (25)
                   +===============================+
                   | Fibre Channel WG              |   
                 (40)
                   +-------------------------------+

Wednesday 1/8      9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===============================+-------+
                   | SCSI-3 WG                     |STATech|   
         (40)
                   +===============================+---+---+
                   | MMC Working Group                 |   
             (20)
                   +===================================+
                   | SFF SSWGs                         |   
             (40)
                   +-----------------------------------+-----------+
                   | RAB                                           |   
 (25)
                   +-----------------------------------------------+

Thursday 1/9   8   9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +---------------+
                   |  SFF          |   
                                 (40)
                   +---------------+===========================+
                                   | X3T10 Plenary Meeting     |   
     (70)
                   +===============+===========================+
                   |  SSC/SMC WG   |   
                                 (15)
                 +=+===============+---------------+
                 | STA                             |   
                 (30)
                 +---------------------------------+

Friday 1/10    8   9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5
                 +========================================+
                 | HAP/SSC Document Review                |   
          (10)
                 +========================================+

    Meetings marked with == are X3T10-authorized meetings.
    Meetings marked with -- are authorized by other groups and may change
    without notice.

Meeting Map Abbreviation Key:
Amnd:             Amendment
CAM:              Common Access Method
CAM-3:            Next generation CAM for SCSI-3
Diskboys:         Industry group studying disk attachment via IEEE 1394
EPI:              SCSI Enhanced Parallel Interface (Technical Report)
Fast-20:          Synchronous Data Transfer at 20 Megatransfers/second
FC-AL:            Fibre Channel - Arbitrated Loop (an X3T11 project)
FCLC:             Fibre Channel Loop Community (not an X3 activity)
I/F:              Interface
HAP:              High Availability Profile (Technical Report)
High Avail.:      High Availability
LB:               Letter Ballot
MMC:              SCSI-3 Multimedia Commands (CD-ROM)
PH:               Physical (Connectors, Cables, Transceivers, etc.)
Plenary:          Full Committee Meeting
RAB:              RAID Advisory Board (not an X3 activity)
RAID:             Redundant Array of Independent Devices
SBC:              SCSI-3 Block Commands
SBP:              SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol
SCC:              SCSI-3 Controller Commands (RAID)
SCSI:             Small Computer System Interface
SES:              SCSI Enclosure Services
SPC:              SCSI-3 Primary Commands
STA:              SCSI Trade Association (not an X3 activity)
STATech:          STA Technical Meeting (X3T10 members invited)
SFF:              SFF Industry Group (not an X3 activity)
SG:               Study Group
SMC:              SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands
SPI-2:            Second Generation SCSI-3 Parallel Interface
SSA:              Serial Storage Interface
SSC:              SCSI-3 Stream Commands (includes Tape)
SSWGs:            Specific-Subject Working Groups
VHDCI             Very High Density Cabled Interconnect
WG:               Working Group (same as Ad Hoc Group)
X3T10:            Lower Level Interfaces Technical Committee
X3T10.1:          SSA Task Group of X3T10

Several other X3T10 events are also planned:

Event                Date(s)              Location/contact
 -------------------- -------------------- -------------------------------
SPI-2 Working Group  12/5/96              Bloomington, MN (with X3T11)
SPI-2 Working Group  2/6/97               San Jose, CA (with X3T11)
MMC Working Group    1/30-31/97           Irvine, CA
SBP-2 Working Group  12/9-10/96           San Jose, CA
SBP-2 Working Group  1/20-21/97           San Jose, CA

For more information about X3T10 activities, please contact the following
people:

Activity                     Contact         Telephone/Email
 ---------------------------- ---------------   
 ------------------------------
CAM-3                        Bill Dallas     (603) 881-2508
                                             dallas at wasted.enet.dec.com
EPI & SPI-2                  Bill Ham        (508) 841-2629
                                             ham at subsys.enet.dec.com
FCP-2                        Robert Snively  (415) 336-5332
                                             Bob.Snively at eng.sun.com
GPP                          Gary Stephens   (602) 321-1725
                                             6363897 at mcimail.com
SAM & SAM-2                  Charles Monia   (508) 841-6757
                                             monia at starch.enet.dec.com
SBC                          Gene Milligan   (405) 324-3070
                                             gene_milligan at notes.seagate.c  
om
SBP and MMC                  Ron Roberts     (916) 677-5714
                                             rkroberts at aol.com
SBP-2                        Pete McLean     (303) 678-2149
                                             pete_mclean at maxtor.com
                      or     Peter Johansson (510) 531-5472
                                             pjohansson at aol.com
SIP, SCC                     George Penokie  (507) 253-5208
                                             gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
SMC                          Erich Oetting   (303) 673-2178
                                             Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
SPC                          Ralph Weber     (972) 733-3594
                                             roweber at acm.org
SSA-PH1,-PH2,-TL1,-TL2       Larry Lamers    (408) 957-7817
                                             ljlamers at aol.com
SSA-S2P & -S3P               John Scheible   (512) 823-8208
                                             Scheible at vnet.ibm.com
SSC                          Edward Lappin   (303) 447-7718
                                             tedl at exabyte.com
Other Activities             John Lohmeyer   (719) 533-7560
                                             john.lohmeyer at symbios.com

Ron Roberts moved that the November 1998 meeting dates be changed from   
11/9-13
to 11/2-6.  Charles Monia seconded motion.  The motion passed   
unanimously.

The long-term X3T10 meeting week schedule is:

Date              Location                   Host/Comments
 ----------------  -------------------------  -------------------
Jan  8-12, 1996   Dallas, TX                 Quantum
Mar 11-15, 1996   Newport Beach, CA          QLogic
May  6-10, 1996   Ft. Lauderdale, FL         Adaptec
Jul 15-19, 1996   Colorado Springs, CO       Symbios Logic
Sep  9-13, 1996   Natick, MA (near Boston)   Digital
Nov  4- 8, 1996   Palm Springs, CA           Adaptec
Jan  6-10, 1997   Dallas, TX                 Quantum
Mar 10-14, 1997   San Diego, CA              QLogic
May  5-9,  1997   Natick, MA (near Boston)   Digital
Jul 14-18, 1997   Colorado Springs, CO       Symbios Logic
Sep  8-12, 1997   Nashua, NH                 Unitrode
Nov  3-7,  1997   Palm Springs, CA           Adaptec
1998 dates are firm; locations and hosts are accepted, but tentative
Jan  5-9,  1998   Dallas, TX                 Quantum
Mar  9-13, 1998   San Diego, CA              QLogic
May  4-8,  1998   Colorado Springs, CO       Symbios Logic
Jul 13-17, 1998   Portland, ME               Digital
Sep 14-18, 1998   St. Petersburg Beach, FL   AMP
Nov   2-6, 1998   Palm Springs, CA           Adaptec

14.1  Authorization of Working Group Meetings

John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under   
the
same voting procedures as does X3T10 (that is, one vote per organization)   
and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee.   
 This
later requirement is why we have traditionally only used non-binding   
straw
polls in working group meetings.  Any issue where the voting rules would   
make
a difference should be deferred to the plenary group.  Nonetheless, task
groups and ad hoc groups should strive to achieve consensus prior to   
bringing
issues to X3T10.

Erich Oetting moved that X3T10 authorize the X3T10-related meetings and   
events
in the list above.  Ken Hallam seconded the motion.  The motion passed
unanimously.

15.   Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 5:44 p.m. on Thursday November 7, 1996.
Meeting Attendees -- Enclosure (1)

         Name          S        Organization         Electronic Mail   
Address
 ---------------------- -- -------------------------   
 -------------------------
Mr. Norm Harris        P  Adaptec, Inc.   
            nharris at eng.adaptec.com
Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers A  Adaptec, Inc.             ljlamers at aol.com
Mr. Edward Fong        P  Amdahl Corp.   
             esf10 at amail.amdahl.com
Mr. Charles Brill      P  AMP, Inc.                 cebrill at amp.com
Mr. Michael Wingard    O  Amphenol Interconnect     mikwingard at aol.com
Mr. Gary Porter        A  Ancot Corp.               garyp at ancot.com
Mr. Ron Roberts        A  Apple Computer            rkroberts at aol.com
Mr. Douglas Wagner     P  Berg Electronics          jpxw76a at prodigy.com
Mr. Richard Wagner     O  Cable Design Technologies   
rwagner at montrose-cdt.com
Mr. Gerry Johnsen      P  Ciprico Inc.              gerry at ciprico.com
Mr. Ken Wolfgang       O  Cirrus Logic Inc.   
        kenw at colorado.cirrus.com
Mr. Edward Haske       P  CMD Technology            haske at cmd.com
Mr. Peter Johansson    P  Congruent Software, Inc.  pjohansson at aol.com
Mr. Louis Grantham     P  Dallas Semiconductor      grantham at dalsemi.com
Mr. Greg McSorley      O  Data General Corp.   
       greg_mcsorley at dgc.ceo.dg.
                                                    com
Mr. Charles Monia      P  Digital Equipment Corp.   monia at shr.dec.com
Mr. Douglas Hagerman   A# Digital Equipment Corp.   
  hagerman at starch.enet.dec.
                                                    com
Mr. Roger Cummings     P  Distributed Processing   
   cummings_roger at dpt.com
                          Tech.
Mr. Robert Reisch      P  Eastman Kodak Co.         reisch at kodak.com
Mr. I. Dal Allan       P  ENDL                      dal_allan at mcimail.com
Mr. Edward Lappin      P  Exabyte Corp.             tedl at exabyte.com
Ms. Constance Kephart  A  Exabyte Corp.             conniek at exabyte.com
Mr. Bob Thornton       A# Fujitsu Takamisawa   
       bthornto at fta.fujitsu.com
                          America
Mr. Joel Urban         O  Harting Elektronik
Mr. J. R. Sims         P  Hewlett Packard Co.   
      robsims at depeche.lvld.hp.
                                                    com
Mr. Zane Daggett       P  Hitachi Cable   
            zdaggett at hcm.hitachi.com
                          Manchester,Inc
Mr. Thomas J. Kulesza  P  Honda Connectors   
         mhotro at interaccess.com
Mr. George Penokie     P  IBM Corp.   
                gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Dan Colegrove      A# IBM Corp.   
                colegrove at vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Lee Jesionowski    O  IBM Corp.                 jez at vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Robert Basham      O  IBM Corp.                 robbyb at vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Geoffrey Barton    P  Iomega Corp.              glbarton at iomega.com
Mr. Dean Wallace       P  Linfinity Micro   
          75671.3443 at compuserve.com
Mr. Robert Bellino     P  Madison Cable Corp.   
      robert_bellino at madisonusa
                                                    .ccmail.compuserve.com  

Mr. Pete McLean        P  Maxtor Corp.   
             pete_mclean at maxtor.com
Mr. Jay Neer           A  Molex Inc.                jneer at molex.com
Mr. E. Jake Berzon     O  NEC Electronics, Inc.   
    jberzon at asic.mtv.nec.com
Mr. Edward A. Gardner  P  Ophidian Designs          gardner at acm.org
Mr. William P.         P  Philips Key Modules       BMcFerrin at aol.com
McFerrin
Mr. Skip Jones         P  QLogic Corp.              sk_jones at qlc.com
Mr. Gene Milligan      P  Seagate Technology        Gene_Milligan at notes.
                                                    seagate.com
Mr. Dave Guss          P  Silicon Systems, Inc.   
    dave.guss at tus.ssi1.com
Mr. Greg Alvey         V  Solution Technology       kd6nnm at gnn.com
Mr. Mike Yokoyama      P  Sony Electronics, Inc.   
   yokoyama at dss.sel.sony.com
Mr. Harvey Waltersdorf V  Specialty Electronics     scott_warren at msn.com
Mr. Erich Oetting      P  Storage Technology Corp.   
 erich_oetting at stortek.com
Mr. Robert N. Snively  P  Sun Microsystems Computer   
bob.snively at eng.sun.com
                          Co
Mr. John Lohmeyer      P  Symbios Logic Inc.   
       john.lohmeyer at symbios.com
Mr. Ralph O. Weber     A# Symbios Logic Inc.        roweber at acm.org
Mr. Patrick Mercer     P  SyQuest Technology, Inc.   
 patrick.mercer at syquest.com
Mr. John Moy           P  Tandem Computers          moy_john at tandem.com
Mr. Atsushi Ishihara   V  Toshiba                   000093120433 at tg-mail.
                                                    toshiba.co.jp
Mr. Tokuyuki Totani    P  Toshiba America           totani at ix.netcom.com
Mr. Kenneth J. Hallam  P  UNISYS Corporation   
       ken.hallam at mv.unisys.com
Mr. Paul D. Aloisi     P  Unitrode Corporation      aloisi at unitrode.com
Mr. Jeffrey L.         P  Western Digital   
          jwilliam at wdroc.wdc.com
Williams                  Corporation
Mr. Devon Worrell      A  Western Digital           worrell at dt.wdc.com
                          Corporation
Mr. Doug Piper         P  Woven Electronics         549.9900 at mcimail.com

58 People Present

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             L    -  Liaison
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