MMC WG 2/2 2/3 minutes

Thu Feb 9 18:26:20 PST 1995

Accredited Standards Committee*
X3, Information Processing Systems

Date:	     February 9, 1995
Project:	X3T10-1048D	
Ref. Doc.:	X3T10/94-057
Reply to:  	R. Roberts

To:	Membership of X3T10
From:	RK Roberts
Subject:	Minutes of X3T10 MMC  Working Group - February 2 & 3, 1995

1.  Openning Remarks
Ron Roberts convened the meeting at 9:30 AM on Feb 2, 1995.  He thanked
Dennis Pak of Apple Computer for hosting the meeting and for providing lunch
on both days.

As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves.  A copy of the
attendance list was circulated for attendance and corrections.

This meeting has been authorized by X3T10 and will be conducted under the X3
rules.  Ad hoc meetings take no final actions, but prepare recommendations
for approval by the X3T10 technical group.  The voting rules for the meeting
are those of the parent committee, X3T10.  For the ad hoc, other than straw
votes, the voing rules  are:  one vote per participating company. 

The minutes of this meeting will be posted to the X3T10 BBS, the SCSI
Reflector, the MMC Reflector, the ATAPI Reflector, and will be included in
the next X3T10 committee mailing.

Attendance at working group meetings does not count toward minimum attendance
requirements for X3T10 membership.  Working group meetings are open to any
person or company to attend and to express their opinion on the subjects
being discussed.

The members were polled to determine what format the document will be edited.
The majority would like to have the document in Word for Windows 6.0. The edit
or agree to convert the document and have the new version by the March 8th
meetings. (he hopes)

Philips agreed to present their proposal on the March 8 in Newport Beach.
YAMAHA also agreed to present a proposal on March 8. Other companies present
agreed to present  their proposals if their corporate management OK the
 presentations. Proposals made on March 8 will be the last ones accepted so
that we can merge all of the proposals and start editing them into a solid

2.  Attendance and Membership
See attendance sheet attached.  List includes attendees for both days.

3.  Document Distribution
1048D	Multi-Media Commands revision  -   2 Copies of Rev 2 were distributed
to those that did not have one.
95-104r0	CD-R Command Set Proposal for MMC (Sony/Apple Proposal)

4.  Approval of Agenda
The agenda was approved as presented.

4.1 SONY presentation on CD-R proposal (M. Yokoyama)
Most of the first day was spent on the details of the sony proposals. Much of
the conversation was centerred on the model used and how the protocol is
implemented. It was agreed that one of the first steps in developing the
document we needed to establish a common model. 
Presentation of the architectural moedel used by SONY in the development of
the command set proposal. The architecture included three methods of
recording technology. Mike coverred thebasic commands and those that were
mandatory, optional, and vendor-specific. Devon question the model used and
suggested that we determine a common model and then define the command set to
implement that one model. 
4.2  Reslolution of  ATAPI conflicts, if any (All)
The group agreed that the multi-media document should all be specified in HEX
instead of BCD. There are a few areas that need to be changed in the command
format definitions. (editor to change) Attempted to resolve other areas of
differences, and discovered that all of the ATAPI items that were to be
included in the Rev 2 document did not make it. 
4.3  Detail OP-CODE review (detail bit review of all regs) (ALL)
Some review of op-codes occured in the discussions of ATAPI. All agreed that
we should expand the listing started by editor.  An updated one should be
ready for 3/8 meeting.
4.4  Review any Technology proposals (please provide copies of docs, if any)
None reviewed
4.5  Proposals for additional clauses to be incorporated in the standard
None reviewed
4.6  Determine schedule for standard forwarding to X3
Scheduling the revision level to be forwarded to September Plenary. This is
possible if we cut off inputs after March 8 meeting.

5.  Review of Action Items
All action items from the January meetings were completed.

6.  Old Business
The reflector is    MMC at

7.  New Business
Open items that still need to be resolved:
	A. Schedule for draft standard generation.
	B. Review Rev 2.0 of the current document (working draft)
8.  Call for Patents
Ron Roberts requested that anyone aware of and patents required for the
proposals, be disclosed early in accordance with the ANSI patent policy.

9.  Liaison Reports
10.  Action Items
Item 1    Philips to present argument for/aganist Command BDH Play CD-ROM
XA(12) what is it.
Item 2    Ron to identify where all occurances of BCD fields need to be
changed to HEX. Straw pole to be taken on 3/8 to implement change.
Item 3    SONY(Mike Y.) and APPLE (Chris B.) to get back with editor with a
date when the mandatory command set definition will be available.
Item 4    Peter Brown to contact IBM for the same as itewm 3.
Item 5    Editor to provide new Rev of MMC at 3/8/95 meeting.

11.  Meeting Schedule
March 8, 1995 at Newport Beach, CA hosted by Qlogic.
March 23 or 30, 1995   location needed and approval by X3T10 Chair

12.  Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at  12:15 PM on February 3, 1995.

ATTENDANCE LIST  For Feb 2 & 3,1995

NAME	              ORGANIZATION	      EMAIL
George T. Hahn  Jr.	Adaptec, Inc.	hahn at
Dennis Pak	Apple, Inc.	dennis.pak at
Chris Brown	Apple, Inc.	brown.c at
Joseph Chen	Cirrus Logic	chen at
Chi Wang	Cirrus Logic	cwang at
Robert Reisch	Eastman Kodak	reisch at
Shogo Karitani	Enterprise Corp International	shogok at
Rob Sims	HP	robsims at
Mike Flora	Microsoft	mikefl at
Neil Sugie	Mitsumi (Alpha Peripherals)	101122.1711 at
Mike Matsunaga	Mitsumi (Alpha Peripherals)	101122.1711 at
John Antonchick	Mitsumi	
Kevin Matsuda	MKE/Panasonic	kevinm at 101175,176cis
Masato Higashi	MKE/Panasonic	higashi at 101175,176cis
Chris D'Iorio	NEC Technologies	cd-iorio at
Peter Brown	Oak Technology, Inc.	brown at
Frank Fang	Oak Technology, Inc.	frankf at
Hardreet Bhasin	Panasonic	bhasin.h at
Jan Willem Brands	Philips	brands at
Bill McFerrin	Philips at
Sunil Nethisinghe	Philips Semiconductors	nethisin at
Kevin Ross	Philips Semiconductors	rossk at
Ganesh Swaminathan	Philips	ganesh at
Steve Ng	Rymex	
Kazushige Yoshino	Sanyo	ogishits at
Ron Roberts	Sierra-Pac Technology	rkroberts at
Tatsuya Imokuchi	Sony	tatsuya at
Mike Yokoyama	Sony	masayuki at
Pat Mercer	Syquest Technology	patrick.mercer at
Kuo Ting Liang	Wearnes Technology	ktliang at
Jon Hanmann	Western Digital Corporation	hanmann_j at
James Wang	Western Digital Corporation	wangj at
Devon Worrell	Western Digital Corporation	worrell at
Craig Campbell	Yamaha	
Nick Emoto	Yamaha	nick at
Masa Morigumi	Yamaha	mori at
Kazashi Tamai	Yamaha   tama at

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