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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Hi Amir,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">You can report one of 1667 versions: 0xFFC0, 0xFFC1 or 0xFFC2 in &#8220;Version Descriptor&#8221; field of INQUIRY DATA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> t10-bounces@t10.org [mailto:t10-bounces@t10.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Amir Dagan1<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 10, 2016 1:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Curtis Stevens &lt;curtis.stevens@wdc.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> T10, Reflector &lt;T10@t10.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [T10] Determining an SED Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks - where do think that would be in the extended INQUIRY (which field)? I'd like to relay on a generic structure of INQUIRY - not necessarily vendor-specific.
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Curtis Stevens &lt;<a href="mailto:curtis.stevens@wdc.com">curtis.stevens@wdc.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&quot;John Geldman (jgeldman)&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jgeldman@micron.com">jgeldman@micron.com</a>&gt;, Amir Dagan1/Israel/IBM@IBMIL</span><br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&quot;T10, Reflector&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:T10@t10.org">T10@t10.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">2016-04-08 01:51</span><br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">RE: [T10] Determining an SED Drive</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">Agreed! Go 1667
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Curtis E. Stevens</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Director, Standards &amp; Features Technology</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">3355 Michelson Dr. #100</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Office: 1-1041</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Irvine, Ca. 92612</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Phone: 949-672-7933</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Remember, you may only be blamed for something if you are actually doing something.</span><br>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Geldman (jgeldman) [</span><a href="mailto:jgeldman@micron.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">mailto:jgeldman@micron.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">]
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Sent:</b> Thursday, April 7, 2016 3:11 PM<b><br>
To:</b> Amir Dagan1 &lt;<a href="mailto:AMIRDA@il.ibm.com">AMIRDA@il.ibm.com</a>&gt;; Curtis Stevens &lt;<a href="mailto:curtis.stevens@wdc.com">curtis.stevens@wdc.com</a>&gt;<b><br>
Cc:</b> T10, Reflector &lt;<a href="mailto:T10@t10.org">T10@t10.org</a>&gt;<b><br>
Subject:</b> RE: [T10] Determining an SED Drive</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">One more bit of complexity. If you are working with a SED that was designed to support Microsoft&#8217;s BitLocker, it would support IEEE 1667 to communicate with the TCG functionality.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">IEEE 1667 support/version information and/or TCG support/version may show up in extended INQUIRY responses.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">John</span><br>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">
</span><a href="mailto:t10-bounces@t10.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">t10-bounces@t10.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">[</span><a href="mailto:t10-bounces@t10.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">mailto:t10-bounces@t10.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Amir Dagan1<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, April 07, 2016 2:19 PM<b><br>
To:</b> Curtis Stevens<b><br>
Cc:</b> T10, Reflector<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [T10] Determining an SED Drive</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">(Adding John's final note to keep it single-threaded)</span><br>
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Thank you John, Curtis and Gerry for your useful notes.</span><br>
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I was looking after a method which will be as generic as possible - for a &quot;HW-agnostic&quot; environment - where the type of drive and FW is not known in advance (some enterprise drive spec do have a SED bit - but I cannot trust that).</span><br>
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Combining all the comments I realise now that if the system SW is designed to do TCG SED, then the right way would be to send a level 0 discovery to all the devices and rule out those who do not allow to proceed with the process.</span><br>
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I tend to agree with Curtis' bottom line...</span><br>
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Many thanks,<br>
Amir</span><br>
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Amir, <br>
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While there has been a fair amount of advice for you, I&#8217;m not sure it is on target.
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What did you mean by a SED device? Did you have a specific type in mind (e.g., TCG implementations)?
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Thank you,<br>
John Geldman<br>
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From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Curtis Stevens &lt;</span><a href="mailto:curtis.stevens@wdc.com"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">curtis.stevens@wdc.com</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span style="color:#5F5F5F"><br>
To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span>Gerry Houlder &lt;</span><a href="mailto:gerry.houlder@seagate.com"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">gerry.houlder@seagate.com</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;, &quot;Otte, Olga&quot;
 &lt;</span><a href="mailto:olga.otte@hpe.com"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">olga.otte@hpe.com</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span style="color:#5F5F5F"><br>
Cc: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span>&quot;T10, Reflector&quot; &lt;</span><a href="mailto:T10@t10.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">T10@t10.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span style="color:#5F5F5F"><br>
Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span>2016-04-07 20:31<span style="color:#5F5F5F"><br>
Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span>Re: [T10] Determining an SED Drive<span style="color:#5F5F5F"><br>
Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span></span><a href="mailto:t10-bounces@t10.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">t10-bounces@t10.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Actually, TCG is one way to do SED, there are others that do not use TCG. &nbsp;Depending on a command to fail is really not a reliable we to determine that some underlying functionality is available.<br>
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This was handled on the T13 side by adding a SED bit. &nbsp;The only use case is for customers that get custom configurations and know what they are getting in advance. &nbsp;Due to the nature of the problem, there is no reliable/universal detection method. &nbsp;Whatever
 you define can be spoofed. &nbsp;Including Model # and Manufacturer.<br>
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Curtis E. Stevens<br>
Director, Standards &amp; Features Technology<br>
3355 Michelson Dr. #100<br>
Office: 1-1041<br>
Irvine, Ca. 92612<br>
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Phone: 949-672-7933<br>
Cell: 949-307-5050<br>
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Remember, you may only be blamed for something if you are actually doing something.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080"><br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gerry Houlder<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, April 7, 2016 9:17 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Otte, Olga &lt;</span><a href="mailto:olga.otte@hpe.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">olga.otte@hpe.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<b><br>
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Subject:</b> Re: [T10] Determining an SED Drive</span><br>
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If you get drive not ready, then the drive is not spun up yet.<br>
If you get invalid command, then the drive is not SED.<br>
There may be exceptions where an SED uses vendor specific protocols (not SECURITY PROTOCOL IN and SECURITY PROTOCOL OUT commands) that you can't determine from this method.<br>
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Otte, Olga &lt;<a href="mailto:olga.otte@hpe.com" target="_blank">olga.otte@hpe.com</a>&gt; wrote:<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#004080"><br>
Do we expect &#8220;drive not ready&#8221; or &#8220;Invalid command&#8221; check condition if drive is not spin up yet? I think I am getting timing issue and not sure what is expected behavior.<br>
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Olga Otte HPE<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Saha, Soumit<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:35 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Amir Dagan1<b><br>
Cc:</b> T10, Reflector<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [T10] Determining an SED Drive</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>You have to send SPC trusted receive (IF-RECV) SCSI primary command with discovery payload and handle illegal requests if the drive is not an SED.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There are no vital data pages for SED specific attributes.<br>
On 7 Apr 2016 12:39, Amir Dagan1 &lt;<a href="mailto:AMIRDA@il.ibm.com" target="_blank">AMIRDA@il.ibm.com</a>&gt; wrote:<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><br>
Hello,<br>
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Is there a &quot;SCSI&quot; way (non vendor specific) to tell whether a device is an SED one (Self Encrypting Drive)?<br>
I do not mean by P/N etc., but a designated field in a logpage, inquiry, etc.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Amir Dagan<br>
IBM</span><br>
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