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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Agreed! Go 1667
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4F6228">Curtis E. Stevens<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4F6228">Director, Standards &amp; Features Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4F6228">3355 Michelson Dr. #100<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4F6228">Remember, you may only be blamed for something if you are actually doing something.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Geldman (jgeldman) [mailto:jgeldman@micron.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 7, 2016 3:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Amir Dagan1 &lt;AMIRDA@il.ibm.com&gt;; Curtis Stevens &lt;curtis.stevens@wdc.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> T10, Reflector &lt;T10@t10.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [T10] Determining an SED Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">One more bit of complexity. If you are working with a SED that was designed to support Microsoft&#8217;s BitLocker, it would support IEEE 1667 to communicate with the
 TCG functionality. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">IEEE 1667 support/version information and/or TCG support/version may show up in extended INQUIRY responses.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:t10-bounces@t10.org">t10-bounces@t10.org</a> [<a href="mailto:t10-bounces@t10.org">mailto:t10-bounces@t10.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Amir Dagan1<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 07, 2016 2:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Curtis Stevens<br>
<b>Cc:</b> T10, Reflector<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [T10] Determining an SED Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">(Adding John's final note to keep it single-threaded)</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Thank you John, Curtis and Gerry for your useful notes.</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">I was looking after a method which will be as generic as possible - for a &quot;HW-agnostic&quot; environment - where the type of drive and FW is not known in advance (some enterprise drive spec do have a SED bit
 - but I cannot trust that).</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Combining all the comments I realise now that if the system SW is designed to do TCG SED, then the right way would be to send a level 0 discovery to all the devices and rule out those who do not allow
 to proceed with the process.</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">I tend to agree with Curtis' bottom line...</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Many thanks,</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Amir</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">Amir,
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">While there has been a fair amount of advice for you, I&#8217;m not sure it is on target.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">What did you mean by a SED device? Did you have a specific type in mind (e.g., TCG implementations)?
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">Thank you,</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">John Geldman</span><br>
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<b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:gray">John Geldman</span></b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:gray"><br>
Director, Industry Standards, <br>
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Micron Technology, Inc.</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Curtis Stevens &lt;</span><a href="mailto:curtis.stevens@wdc.com"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">curtis.stevens@wdc.com</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;</span><br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Gerry Houlder &lt;</span><a href="mailto:gerry.houlder@seagate.com"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">gerry.houlder@seagate.com</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;,
 &quot;Otte, Olga&quot; &lt;</span><a href="mailto:olga.otte@hpe.com"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">olga.otte@hpe.com</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;</span><br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&quot;T10, Reflector&quot; &lt;</span><a href="mailto:T10@t10.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">T10@t10.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;</span><br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">2016-04-07 20:31</span><br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Re: [T10] Determining an SED Drive</span><br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><a href="mailto:t10-bounces@t10.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">t10-bounces@t10.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">Actually, TCG is one way to do SED, there are others that do not use TCG. &nbsp;Depending on a command to fail is really not a reliable we to determine that some underlying functionality
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">&nbsp;</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#004080">This was handled on the T13 side by adding a SED bit. &nbsp;The only use case is for customers that get custom configurations and know what they are getting in advance. &nbsp;Due to the nature
 of the problem, there is no reliable/universal detection method. &nbsp;Whatever you define can be spoofed. &nbsp;Including Model # and Manufacturer.</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Curtis E. Stevens</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Director, Standards &amp; Features Technology</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">3355 Michelson Dr. #100</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Office: 1-1041</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Irvine, Ca. 92612</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Phone: 949-672-7933</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Cell: 949-307-5050</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">E-Mail:
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#3F621F">Remember, you may only be blamed for something if you are actually doing something.</span><br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gerry Houlder<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, April 7, 2016 9:17 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Otte, Olga &lt;</span><a href="mailto:olga.otte@hpe.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">olga.otte@hpe.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<b><br>
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Subject:</b> Re: [T10] Determining an SED Drive</span><br>
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If you get drive not ready, then the drive is not spun up yet.<br>
If you get invalid command, then the drive is not SED.<br>
There may be exceptions where an SED uses vendor specific protocols (not SECURITY PROTOCOL IN and SECURITY PROTOCOL OUT commands) that you can't determine from this method.<br>
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Otte, Olga &lt;<a href="mailto:olga.otte@hpe.com" target="_blank">olga.otte@hpe.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#004080">Do we expect &#8220;drive not ready&#8221; or &#8220;Invalid command&#8221; check condition if drive is not spin up yet? I think I am getting timing issue and not sure what is expected behavior.</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#004080">Olga Otte HPE</span><br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Saha, Soumit<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:35 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Amir Dagan1<b><br>
Cc:</b> T10, Reflector<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [T10] Determining an SED Drive</span><br>
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<p>You have to send SPC trusted receive (IF-RECV) SCSI primary command with discovery payload and handle illegal requests if the drive is not an SED.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">There are no vital data pages for SED specific attributes.<br>
On 7 Apr 2016 12:39, Amir Dagan1 &lt;<a href="mailto:AMIRDA@il.ibm.com" target="_blank">AMIRDA@il.ibm.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Hello,</span><br>
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Is there a &quot;SCSI&quot; way (non vendor specific) to tell whether a device is an SED one (Self Encrypting Drive)?<br>
I do not mean by P/N etc., but a designated field in a logpage, inquiry, etc.</span><br>
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Thanks,<br>
Amir Dagan<br>
IBM</span><br>
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