Discrepancy for NAA in "T10/BSR INCITS 513, Revision 36h, 13 July 2013, Information technology -SCSI Primary Commands - 4 (SPC-4)"

John Geldman (jgeldman) jgeldman at micron.com
Wed Jul 24 12:33:46 PDT 2013


* From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org), posted by:
* "John Geldman (jgeldman)" <jgeldman at micron.com>
*
Actually, considering the dual usage in T11's documents, the SPC editor
correctly copied their half-vast style!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-t10 at t10.org [mailto:owner-t10 at t10.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Weber
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 12:22 PM
To: T10 Reflector
Subject: Re: Discrepancy for NAA in "T10/BSR INCITS 513, Revision 36h, 13
July 2013, Information technology -SCSI Primary Commands - 4 (SPC-4)"
* From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org), posted by:
* Ralph Weber <roweber at ieee.org>
*
One can only surmise that T11 was motivated to change the name (pardon the
pun), told the SPC editor who fixed it in his usual half-vast style. 
The SPC-4 Letter Ballot seems like the perfect time for T10 to play catchup.
All the best,
.Ralph
On 7/24/2013 2:09 PM, John Geldman (jgeldman) wrote:
> This has been an interesting tempest in a teapot.
> From Bob's proposal, the canonical source is 'Fibre Channel - Physical 
> and Signaling Interface (FC-PH) (formerly ANSI X3.230-1994 (R1999)) 
> (includes supplements)':
> *3.1 FC-PH IEEE 48-bit identifier format* This format is defined by 
> ANSI X3.230-1994. The name represents a historical artifact from the 
> FC document and does not imply that the 48-bit identifier is actually 
> generated by IEEE. This format is identified by the Name Address 
> Authority (NAA) code value of 0001b.
> Ralph has shared that FC-FS-4 uses Network Address Authority.
> Peeking at FC-PH-3(fcph3_94), I see it usesboth:
> a) "Destination Network_Address_Authority (D_NAA) or Source 
> Network_Address_Authority (S_NAA) field indicates the authority 
> responsible for the administration of the network address (destination 
> or source) used. The Network_Address_Authority indicators are shown in 
> table 41."
> b) "In the context of Fibre Channel, a set of unique world-wide 
> identifiers is exchanged as part of the login process. A unique 
> identifier is determined for each communicating node and for the port 
> on each node through which the login is performed. Fibre Channel uses 
> the Name Address Authority (NAA) field to select among several 
> alternative registration authorities and to identify the format of the 
> world-wide identifier."
> So:
> a) T11 is the source
> b) it seems T11 does often (but not always) call it Network Address 
> Authority (this is based on a limited (2) set of standards).
> Would one of the T11 regulars please provide forward-looking direction 
> for T10?
> (And I'll stop being distracted by big shiny downloads to skim...) John 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-t10 at t10.org [mailto:owner-t10 at t10.org] On Behalf Of 
> Penokie, George
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:17 AM
> To: Ralph Weber; T10 Reflector
> Subject: RE: Discrepancy for NAA in "T10/BSR INCITS 513, Revision 36h,
> 13 July 2013, Information technology -SCSI Primary Commands - 4 (SPC-4)"
> * From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org <mailto:t10 at t10.org>), posted by:
> * "Penokie, George" <George.Penokie at lsi.com 
> >
> *
> NAA originated in T11 so we (T10) should not be changing it.
> Bye for now,
> George Penokie
> LSI Corporation
> 3033 41 St NW
> Rochester , MN 55901
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> george.penokie at lsi.com  -----Original 
> Message-----
> From: owner-t10 at t10.org <mailto:owner-t10 at t10.org> 
> [mailto:owner-t10 at t10.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Weber
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:01 PM
> To: T10 Reflector
> Subject: Re: Discrepancy for NAA in "T10/BSR INCITS 513, Revision 36h,
> 13 July 2013, Information technology -SCSI Primary Commands - 4 (SPC-4)"
> * From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org <mailto:t10 at t10.org>), posted by:
> * Ralph Weber <roweber at ieee.org >
> *
> The latest revision of FC-FS-4 contains 0 instances of Name Address 
> Authority and 6 of Network Address Authority.
> So... Is T10 going to follow the lead of the other standard that uses 
> NAA in the way that SPC-4 does? Or, is original intent more important 
> than consistent terms of reference today?
> Since something has to change in SPC-4 either way, the workload for 
> the editor seems to be of little consequence in this decision.
> All the best,
> .Ralph
> On 7/24/2013 9:31 AM, Gerry Houlder wrote:
> > I agree that "Name Address Authority" was the original intent for NAA.
> > It appears that someone did an incomplete job of changing it to 
> > "Network Address Authority". Perhaps this goes back to a time when 
> > we thought "name" was a different thing than this, so this acronym 
> > needed a different title. I think it should change back to "Name 
> > Address Authority".
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:29 PM, John Geldman (jgeldman) 
> > <jgeldman at micron.com <mailto:jgeldman at micron.com
> <mailto:jgeldman at micron.com%20%3Cmailto:jgeldman at micron.com>>> wrote:
> >
> >	Looking at Bob Snively's 12-101r2, it was "Name Address Authority"
> >	in the proposal.
> >
> >	IEEE itself does not seem to define NAA, only reference T10 and
> >	Fiber Channel. They reference T10 when providing guidelines for
> >	 EUI-64 (http://standards.ieee.org/develop/regauth/tut/eui64.pdf)
> >	and  when providing guidelines for using OUI's for Fibre Channel
> >	(http://standards.ieee.org/develop/regauth/tut/fibre.pdf).
> >
> >	John Geldman
> >
> >	Director, Industry Standards
> >
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> >
> >	*From:*owner-t10 at t10.org <mailto:owner-t10 at t10.org>
> >	[mailto:owner-t10 at t10.org <mailto:owner-t10 at t10.org>
> <mailto:owner-t10 at t10.org%20%3Cmailto:owner-t10 at t10.org%3E>] *On 
> Behalf
> >	Of *Liu Wang
> >	*Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:34 PM
> >	*To:*t10 at t10.org <mailto:t10 at t10.org> <mailto:t10 at t10.org>
> >	*Subject:* Discrepancy for NAA in "T10/BSR INCITS 513, Revision
> >	36h, 13 July 2013, Information technology -SCSI Primary Commands -
> >	4 (SPC-4)"
> >
> >	Discrepancy for NAA in "T10/BSR INCITS 513, Revision 36h, 13 July
> >	2013, Information technology -SCSI Primary Commands - 4 (SPC-4):"
> >
> >	( page lxviii )Table 602 - Name Address Authority (NAA) 
>
>field.......................................................................
..................
> >	742
> >
> >	*(page 15 ) 3.1.96 network address authority (NAA) *(see 7.8.6.6
> >	and FC-FS-3)
> >
> >	(page 23) NAA Network Address Authority (see 3.1.96)
> >
> >	(page 742) The Name Address Authority (NAA) field (see table 602)
> >	defines the format of the NAA specific data in the...
> >
> >	(page 742) *Table 602 - Name Address Authority (**NAA**) field*
> >
> >	Sincerely,
> >
> >	Liu Wang
> >
> >
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