July Draft Minutes posted

David Burg daviburg at windows.microsoft.com
Tue Jul 25 11:38:17 PDT 2006

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* "David Burg" <daviburg at windows.microsoft.com>
Thank you Katata-san for this study and clarification.
My comment: Quicker availability of the disc logical volume and
postponing of the disc structure writing to a later synchronization
transparent to the host is also valuable to PC, even if not as critical
as for CE. We should be careful however to well specify the condition of
writing the said disc structures so that for instance when the host
powers down the disc is in a compatible state.
Best regards,
David Burg.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com
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keiji_katata at post.pioneer.co.jp
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:19 AM
To: mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com
Cc: t10 at t10.org
Subject: July Draft Minutes posted
Hello all,
I put "Draft Minutes Jul06-2.pdf" on Fuji ftp.
I added the additional records of the discussion in 7.1.
>Pioneer will check the possibility of the physical format
>specification change to reduce the Automatic Quick Format
>operation time.
I checked the Part 1 specification status. It is approved by TCG and SC
some small exceptions. So the change of the specification is not
possible now.
And I think that Part 1 specification change is not necessary.
1. Writing 224 ECC blocks in Lead-in does not take long time.
  In case of Disc at Once of R-DL, drive shall write 3004 ECC blocks of
before writing a sector at LBA 0. Writing 224 ECC blocks is very small.
2. First OPC on L0 of RW-DL may take 10 - 15 sec.
  Layer 0 has very thin recording film. It is very delicate. High power
may burn it out. So careful OPC may be necessary. Writing 224 ECC blocks
is very
small and can be done later.
3. No Time-out error on OS
  2-4-8 error protocol of Write command suppress the time-out error of
4. Quick start of recording is required.
  On CE, Quick start of recording is very important. Format Unit command
Write command is a wastes of time. Without Format Unit command, the
writing 224
ECC blocks can be done later.
Direct Write command to LBA 0 works as follows;
1: Drive mounts Physically blank RW-DL discs.
2: Host (back-end) sends Write command to LBA0.
3: Drive performs OPC.
4: Drive writes 12 ECC blocks of RMD with Empty disc status.
5: Drive writes user data from LBA 0.
6: Host stops the real-time recording.
7: Drive writes 224 ECC blocks in Lead-in and updates RMD at SyncCache,
Stop or
Of course, if quick start is not required the writing 224 ECC blocks in
can be done before LBA 0 writing. Direct Write command to LBA 0 allows
manufactures some optimization.
Please send your opinion for this item.
Best regards,
Keiji Katata
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