Draft minutes of T10 Meeting #58 -- Nov 6, 2003

John Lohmeyer lohmeyer at t10.org
Mon Nov 10 12:07:36 PST 2003


* From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org), posted by:
* John Lohmeyer <lohmeyer at t10.org>
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 T10 Plenary Minutes Accredited Standards Committee*
InterNational Committee for Information Technology Standards (INCITS)

                                                  Doc. No.: T10/03-372r0
                                                      Date: November 10, 2003
                                                  Reply to: John Lohmeyer

To:       T10 Membership
From:     Ralph Weber / John Lohmeyer
Subject:  Minutes of T10 Plenary Meeting #58 -- November 6, 2003
          Austin, TX
Agenda

1.     Opening Remarks
2.     Approval of Agenda
3.     Attendance and Membership
4.     Approval of Minutes - September 2003 Meeting - Seattle, WA
(T10/03-306r0)
5.     Document Distribution
6.     Call for Patents
7.     Review of Old Action Items
8.     Project Status Reports
8.1      Project Status Summary and INCITS Liaison [Lohmeyer]
8.1.1      INCITS Antitrust Guidelines
8.2      Object-based Storage Devices Commands (OSD) {Project 1355-D} [Weber]
8.3      SCSI Medium Changer Commands - 2 (SMC-2) {Project 1383-D} [Oetting]
8.4      SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) {Project 1416-D} [Weber]
8.5      SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) {Project 1417-D} [Elliott]
8.6      SCSI Stream Commands - 2 (SSC-2) {Project 1434-D} [Peterson]
8.7      SCSI Serial Bus Protocol -3 (SBP-3) {Project 1467-D} [Johansson]
8.8      SCSI RDMA Protocol - 2 (SRP-2) {Project 1524-D} [Simpson]
8.9      SCSI Management Server Commands (MSC) {Project 1528-D}
[Penokie/Elliott]
8.10     MultiMedia Command Set - 4 (MMC-4) {Project 1545-D} [McFerrin]
8.11     Automation/Drive Interface - Transport Protocol (ADT) {Project
1557-D} [Entzel]
8.12     Automation/Drive Interface - Commands (ADC) {Project 1558-D}
[Entzel/Wideman]
8.13     SCSI Enclosure Services - 2 (SES-2) {Project 1559-D} [Elliott]
8.14     Fibre Channel Protocol - 3 (FCP-3) {Project 1560-D} [Peterson]
8.15     SCSI Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) {Project 1561-D} [Weber]
8.16     Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) {Project 1562-D} [Elliott]
8.17     Serial Attached SCSI - 1.1 (SAS-1.1) {Project 1601-D} [Elliott]
8.18     SCSI Stream Commands - 3 (SSC-3) {Project 1611-D} [Peterson]
9.     Old Business
9.1      ANSI INCITS 330-2000 Defect Report (03-021r0) (RBC AM1) [Atkinson,
Roberts]
10.    New Business
10.1     Actions on SAS Protocol Working Group Recommendations
10.2     Actions on CAP Working Group Recommendations
10.3     Actions on Other Working Group Recommendations
11.    ISO/IEC
11.1     ISO/IEC Report (03-390r1) [Robinson]
11.2     ISO/IEC Business [Robinson]
11.2.1     NWIP for SBP-3 (03-301r0) [Robinson]
11.2.2     FCD Ballot for FCD 14776-452: IT - Small Computer System Interface
(SCSI) -Part 452: SCSI Primary Commands -2 (SPC-2)
12.    Liaison Reports
12.1     T11 Liaison Report (03-366r0) [Snively]
12.2     T13 Liaison Report [Colegrove]
12.3     SFF Industry Group [Allan]
12.4     IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
12.5     SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Czekalski]
12.6     IETF SCSI over IP [Black/Robinson]
12.7     SNIA (03-396r0) [Cummings]
12.8     SATA II [Cox/open]
13.    Review of Action Items
14.    Meeting Schedule
14.1       Authorization of Working Group Meetings
15.    Adjournment


Results of Meeting

1.     Opening Remarks

John Lohmeyer, the T10 Chair, called the meeting to order at 9:05 a.m.,
Thursday November 6, 2003. He thanked Bob Griswold of Crossroads Systems for
hosting the meeting.

John said that INCITS subgroup membership forms and the T10 document
subscription forms are available on the meeting web site. He said that people
should use these forms to ensure the INCITS Secretariat has the latest
membership information. These forms should be mailed directly to the INCITS
Secretariat.

As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves. Attendance was
taken electronically via the meeting web site.


2.     Approval of Agenda

No additions/changes were made to the draft agenda.

John Lohmeyer moved and Ralph Weber seconded that the agenda be approved. In
the absence of any objections, the motion passed unanimously.

The items were added/revised during the course of the meeting:

11.2.1     NWIP for SBP-3 (03-301r0) [Robinson]
11.2.2     FCD Ballot for FCD 14776-452: IT - Small Computer System Interface
(SCSI) -Part 452: SCSI Primary Commands -2 (SPC-2)


3.     Attendance and Membership

The membership requirements were reviewed. INCITS rules permit one vote per
organization. An individual from a new organization must attend two out of
three consecutive plenary meetings. He/she may apply for voting membership the
second meeting via a letter to the Chair of T10. The individual may begin
voting at the beginning of his/her second meeting.

To maintain membership, organizations must pay the INCITS Service Fee ($800).

John briefly discussed the mailing fees. Complete pricing information is
contained in the 2003 membership form (available at
ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/mem_form.txt).

There are also minimum attendance requirements to maintain voting membership
on T10. If a member organization fails to attend two of the last three T10
meetings, they are warned that failing to attend the next T10 meeting would
result in their membership being terminated.

The Chair said he had sent letters to 8 people from 5 organizations informing
them that their membership was in jeopardy due to non-attendance (see
03-332r0) and that their membership would be terminated if they did not attend
this meeting. The following organizations were in attendance jeopardy:

Brocade Comm. Systems, Inc.
Congruent Software, Inc.
Hitachi Cable Manchester
Network Appliance Inc.
Pivot3, Inc.

The following organizations were not present at the meeting:

Congruent Software, Inc.
Network Appliance Inc.

The members from the organizations that failed to attend will have their
membership changed to non-voting status.

No organizations joined the committee at this meeting.

The T10 membership during the meeting was 39 organizations down from the 41
member organizations prior to the meeting. Enclosure (1) is the list of the
people present at the meeting and enclosure (2) is the current T10 membership
list.

John Lohmeyer reminded members that failure to vote on two out of the last
three letter ballots also would result in membership jeopardy and then noted
that the status of companies that have not voted on recent letter ballots is
as follows:

T10 Letter Ballot Jeopardy Report -- 2003/10/27

                          Ballot:  03-144r0      03-189r0      03-282r0
                          Report:  03-145r0      03-190r0      03-283r0
                         Acronym:  SBP-3         RBCa1         ADC
Organization
---------------------------------  ------------  ------------  ------------
Adaptec, Inc.                          DNV           Yes           Yes
Fujitsu                                DNV           Yes           Yes
Network Appliance Inc.                 Yes           Yes           DNV

Key:
Yes    Organization voted Yes
DNV    Organization failed to return letter ballot

No organizations are currently in letter ballot jeopardy.


4.     Approval of Minutes - September 2003 Meeting - Seattle, WA
(T10/03-306r0)

John Lohmeyer moved and Ralph Weber seconded that the minutes be approved. In
the absence of any objections, the motion passed unanimously.


5.     Document Distribution

Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Parthenia Purnell (ppurnell at itic.org) (202) 626-5741. A
subscription form is included on the meeting disk.

John Lohmeyer requested that all documents for the next mailing be uploaded to
the T10 web site by 10:30 a.m. on Thursday November 13, 2003. Documents
received after this time may go into a subsequent mailing.

John reminded the committee of the requirements for document submission. Since
T10 meets its document retention requirements by preparing mailings, documents
included in the mailing must be suitable for archiving. This means that
native-format and/or Portable Document Format (PDF) electronic originals with
proper identification must be submitted.

People can obtain T10 document numbers and revised T10 document numbers by
filling out a web form at http://www.t10.org/members/. The assigned T10
document number will be sent to the requestor by e-mail. The requestor may
then reply to this email, including the document to be posted as an
attachment. The document will be automatically posted on the T10 web site.

T10 members can complete this entire process using their personal T10
password. John explained that members who do not know their password should
surf to the above URL and click on the "forgot password" link to have their
password sent to them via e-mail.

John noted that non-members can also use the above document number process,
but their requests will require approval by an administrator.

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SCSI Trade Association at:

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There is also a mirror site at:

http://www.t11.org/t10/

The T10 document register is available at:

ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/dr.txt


6.     Call for Patents

Mark Evans questioned the copyrights for material submitted for inclusion a
T10 standard and the copyrights on draft T10 standards in general. It was
recommended that he work with Lynn Barra at INCITS. No answer to Mark's
questions were available at the meeting.

John Lohmeyer explained that this is a regular agenda item to identify any
potential patent issues with developing standards and technical reports.

A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge. This document is
also on the WWW at http://www.incits.org/help/ansi_sdo.html. Section 1.2.11
contains the ANSI patent policy. Amy Marasco manages patent issues for ANSI
and can be contacted at amarasco at ansi.org or 212-642-4954. Gene Milligan
prepared a useful "Handy dandy Technical Committee's Patents Guide", which is
available at ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.99/99-291r0.pdf.

John Lohmeyer presented a summary of the ANSI patent policy prepared by Gary
Robinson. The summary is also included on the Rules and Procedures (plus
Patent Information) page on the T10 web site.

Cris Simpson reminded the committee that a statement of the Intel patent
policy can be found in T10/01-041r0.

Bob Griswold noted that he had recently uploaded the `Crossroads 035 Patent
Letter' (03-349r0) regarding U.S. Patent No. 6,425,035 related to Access
Controls in SPC-3.

Gerry Houlder noted that 03-379r0 contains a Seagate Patent Disclosure
regarding OSD and data integrity.

John asked that anyone who knows of other applicable patents to contact him.

There were no other responses to the call for patents other than those
mentioned above.


7.     Review of Old Action Items

534    George Penokie will announce on the T10 Reflector during the September
T10 meeting week the T10 intention to withdraw the MSC project unless
proposals for MSC content are received by the November T10 meeting week.
Complete.
540    Rob Elliott will send a warning message to the T10 Reflector in
September regarding the removal of the SES Array Control and Array Status
pages. Complete.
541    Rob Elliott will prepare a proposal updating the SAS Device Element
Status descriptor based on discussions in the CAP working group. Complete.
542    Bob Snively will provide the SES PDF and sources to the IR. Overtaken
by events.
545    David Black will ensure that RFCs are written defining URLs for SNMP,
CIM over HTTP/HTTPS, and SSH. Carryover
546    Ralph Weber will add the additional sense code named in 03-287r0 to the
lists in SPC-3. Complete.
547    John Lohmeyer will forward SMC-2 revision 06 for processing toward
first Public Review. Complete.
548    Peter Johansson will prepare SBP-3 revision 05. Complete.
549    John Lohmeyer will forward SBP-3 revision 05 for processing toward
second Public Review. Complete.
550    Gary Robinson will notify INCITS that T10 recommends approval of the
FCD 14776-150 (SAS) to JTC/SC25 TAG. Complete.
551    Gary Robinson will notify INCITS that T10 recommends approval of the
FDIS 14776-362 (MMC-2) to JTC/SC25 TAG. Complete.
552    Gary Robinson will notify INCITS that T10 recommends approval of the
FDIS 14776-452 (SPC-2) to JTC/SC25 TAG. Complete.
553    Gary Robinson will notify INCITS that T10 recommends approval of the
FDIS 14776-412 (SAM-2) to JTC/SC25 TAG. Complete.
554    Gary Robinson will notify INCITS that T10 recommends approval of the
FCD 14776-115 (SPI-5) to JTC/SC25 TAG. Complete.
555    Gary Robinson will notify INCITS that T10 recommends submission of the
NWIP (T10/03-301r0) as a US contribution to JTC1/SC25 and recommends that the
NP to be issued by SC25 be approved, answering the 6 questions 'Yes' and
naming Gary S. Robinson as project editor. Complete.
556    Gary Robinson will notify the INCITS Secretariat that T10 does not
object to the transfer of projects listed in in031022 to IEEE Microprocessor
TAG. Complete.


8.     Project Status Reports

8.1    Project Status Summary and INCITS Liaison [Lohmeyer]

John Lohmeyer said that the current T10 project status summary was included on
the meeting web site and will be included in the mailing as usual.

John said that he had presented the T10 annual report (03-333r0) to the
Standards Development Board on October 14th via teleconference. The SDB
accepted the T10 annual report and informed John that SAS, SSC-2, and RBC AM1
had been approved.

INCITS has requested that ANSI adopt a position that fees for using the
contents of standards, as opposed to fees for the purchase of the standards
themselves, is inappropriate. Apparently, this was based on a
`misunderstanding'. See
http://www.iso.org/iso/en/commcentre/pressreleases/2003/Ref871.html for an ISO
press release reaffirming free-of-charge use of its country, currency and
language codes.

8.1.1  INCITS Antitrust Guidelines

All T10 members should be aware of the INCITS antitrust guidelines available
at http://www.incits.org/natrust.htm.

John reminded committee members that all persons present at a T10 meeting is
responsible for identifying potential violations of the antitrust guidelines
and reporting them to the chair. Discussions of the following topics are
considered sensitive:

    * Any company's prices or pricing policies;
    * Specific R;
    * Any company's confidential product, product development or production
    strategies;
    * Whether certain suppliers or customers will be served;
    * Prices paid to input sources; or
    * Complaints about individual firms or other actions that might tend to
    hinder a competitor in any market.

8.2    Object-based Storage Devices Commands (OSD) {Project 1355-D} [Weber]

Ralph Weber reported that revision 8 is the current OSD revision. An editing
meeting will be held tomorrow and the SNIA OSD TWG has about eight technical
changes that need to be made. OSD revision 9 will be prepared from this
information, but may not be available in time for the mailing.

The SNIA OSD TWG is requesting that a Letter Ballot be held on forwarding OSD
revision 9. The intention is that the Letter Ballot complete before the end of
the year.

8.3    SCSI Medium Changer Commands - 2 (SMC-2) {Project 1383-D} [Oetting]

John Lohmeyer reported that the first Public Review on SMC-2 closes 17
November 2003.

8.4    SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) {Project 1416-D} [Weber]

Ralph Weber reported that SPC-3 revision 16 will be prepared based on
proposals approved by this meeting and will be posted before the next meeting.
He stated that SPC-3 revision 16 most likely will not be available in time for
the November mailing.

8.5    SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) {Project 1417-D} [Elliott]

Rob Elliott reported that there will be an editing meeting for SBC-2 after
this meeting. One or two new revisions will be prepared based on the editing
meeting, changes approved by this meeting, or both. He state that the goal is
to start the SBC-2 Letter Ballot sometime in the first half of next year.

8.6    SCSI Stream Commands - 2 (SSC-2) {Project 1434-D} [Peterson]

John Lohmeyer reported that SSC-2 has been approved by INCITS as is on its way
to ANSI BSR.

8.7    SCSI Serial Bus Protocol -3 (SBP-3) {Project 1467-D} [Johansson]

John Lohmeyer reported that the second SBP-3 Public Review closes 17 November
2003.

8.8    SCSI RDMA Protocol - 2 (SRP-2) {Project 1524-D} [Simpson]

Cris Simpson reported that no progress has been made on SRP-2. Some proposals
are expected in January and a several new proposals are expected in March.

8.9    SCSI Management Server Commands (MSC) {Project 1528-D}
[Penokie/Elliott]

George Penokie reported that a proposal has been received for MSC. Therefore,
development will proceed on the project.

George stated that a conference call will be held to discuss 03-364r0 and the
time will be announced on the T10 reflector.

8.10   MultiMedia Command Set - 4 (MMC-4) {Project 1545-D} [McFerrin]

Bill McFerrin reported on the activities of the MMC-4 working group (minutes
in 03-398). Development is going quite well. Decisions on stabilizing
additional MMC-4 clauses have been deferred to the next meeting, owing to the
absence of some members at this meeting.

Bill reported that a new project proposal has been posted for MMC-5 with the
intent of acting on it in January.

8.11   Automation/Drive Interface - Transport Protocol (ADT) {Project 1557-D}
[Entzel]

Paul Entzel reported on the activities of the ADI working group (minutes in
03-378). The current ADT revision is 8. He indicated that no new ADT revision
will be available in time for the mailing.

8.12   Automation/Drive Interface - Commands (ADC) {Project 1558-D}
[Entzel/Wideman]

John Lohmeyer reported that the letter ballot on ADC passed 30:5:5:1=41.
Comments were received from 7 organizations (not including the abstention
reasons). See 03-283r0 for complete details.

Paul Entzel reported that resolution work has begun for the comments in
document 03-385.

8.13   SCSI Enclosure Services - 2 (SES-2) {Project 1559-D} [Elliott]

Rob Elliott reported on the SES-2 activities undertaken in the CAP working
group (minutes in 03-371r0). Revision 5 of SES-2 will be prepared including the
proposals approved by this meeting, but it will not be available in time for
the mailing. He state that the goal is to start the SES-2 Letter Ballot
sometime in the first half of next year.

8.14   Fibre Channel Protocol - 3 (FCP-3) {Project 1560-D} [Peterson]

Dave Peterson reported on the activities of the FCP-3 working group (minutes
in 03-395r0). He thanked Bob Nixon for assuming the FCP-3 secretary duties.

8.15   SCSI Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) {Project 1561-D} [Weber]

Ralph Weber reported that revision 10 will be prepared following this meeting
and will contain all proposals approved by this meeting. He noted that SAM-3
revision 10 may not be available in time for the November mailing.

8.16   Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) {Project 1562-D} [Elliott]

John Lohmeyer reported that the SAS has been approved by INCITS and has been
forwarded to ANSI for BSR approval. Publication is expected yet this month.

8.17   Serial Attached SCSI - 1.1 (SAS-1.1) {Project 1601-D} [Elliott]

Rob Elliott reported on the activities related to SAS-1.1 of the SAS Protocol
working group (minutes in 03-370r0). He stated that SAS-1.1 containing the
proposals approved by this meeting will be available in time for the next
meeting but not in time for the next mailing.

8.18   SCSI Stream Commands - 3 (SSC-3) {Project 1611-D} [Peterson]

Dave Peterson reported that SSC-3 is in limbo because of the workload in the
ADI working group.


9.     Old Business

9.1    ANSI INCITS 330-2000 Defect Report (03-021r0) (RBC AM1) [Atkinson,
Roberts]

John Lohmeyer reported that the RBC Amendment #1 has been approved by INCITS
and has been forwarded to ANSI for BSR approval. Publication is expected yet
this month.


10.    New Business

10.1   Actions on SAS Protocol Working Group Recommendations

George Penokie reviewed the following recommendations for inclusion in
SAS-1.1:

03-273r2 (Support for SATA Port Selector) [Sheffield]
03-298r2 (Discover Algorithm Modification) [Fairchild]
03-363r0 (SATA_TransmitALIGN state transition correction) [Hoglund]
03-345r1 (Wide STP port livelock prevention) [Elliott]
03-357r1 (Inverting the Disable First Burst bit) [Elliott]
03-346r2 (Pathway recovery priority corrections) [Elliott]
03-384r1 (Additional LED behavior) [Evans]

Mark Evans moved that 03-273r2, 03-298r2, 03-363r0, 03-345r1, 03-357r1,
03-346r2, and 03-384r1 be approved for inclusion in SAS-1.1. Bill Galloway
seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of 27:0:2:10=39.

10.2   Actions on CAP Working Group Recommendations

George Penokie moved that 03-365r1 (r0 as modified) be approved for inclusion
in SPC-3 and SBC-2. Mark Evans seconded the motion.

Keith Holt moved that the motion be amended to alter the protected data block
format in Table 1 as documented in 03-336r0. Pat Thaler seconded the motion.
John Lohmeyer requested a roll call vote due to the controversial nature of
the topic.

Keith cited existing implementations that use the format described in
03-336r0.

It was stated that there are no technical advantages either way. Differences
of opinion were expressed in both sides regarding the technical merits of each
protected data block format. It was noted that the format in 03-336r0 matches
the one in the original data protection proposal, but the preference of some
in the group for the replacement format was also expressed.

The motion to amend failed on a roll call vote of 6:16:9:8=39 as documented
below:

Organization                Name                   Yes  No Abs  NP
Adaptec, Inc.               Mr. Tim Symons               1
Agilent Technologies        Ms. Pat Thaler          1
Amphenol Interconnect       Mr. Michael Wingard             1
Andiamo Systems, Inc.       Dr. Claudio DeSanti          1
Brocade Comm. Systems, Inc. Mr. Robert Snively              1
Crossroads Systems, Inc.    Mr. Robert Griswold          1
Dallas Semiconductor                                            1
Dell, Inc.                  Mr. Kevin Marks                 1
EMC Corp.                   Mr. Gary S. Robinson    1
Emulex                      Mr. Robert H. Nixon             1
ENDL Texas                  Mr. Ralph O. Weber              1
FCI                                                             1
Fujitsu                     Mr. Mike Fitzpatrick         1
General Dynamics                                                1
Hewlett Packard Co.         Mr. Rob Elliott         1
Hitachi Cable Manchester    Mr. Zane Daggett             1
Hitachi Global Storage Tech Mr. Dan Colegrove            1
IBM / Tivoli Systems        Mr. George O. Penokie        1
Intel Corp.                 Mr. Robert Sheffield    1
Iomega Corp.                Mr. Hiromichi Oribe             1
LSI Logic Corp.             Mr. Keith Holt          1
Madison Cable Corp.                                             1
Maxtor Corp.                Mr. Mark Evans               1
Microsoft Corp.                                                 1
Molex Inc.                  Mr. Jay Neer                 1
Panasonic Technologies, Inc                                     1
Philips Electronics/CD Edge Mr. William P. McFerrin      1
Pivot3, Inc.                Mr. Bill Galloway            1
QLogic Corp.                Mr. Craig W. Carlson         1
Quantum Corp.               Mr. Paul Entzel                 1
SBS Technologies            Mr. David Peterson           1
Seagate Technology          Mr. Gerald Houlder      1
Storage Technology Corp.    Mr. Erich Oetting            1
Sun Microsystems, Inc.      Mr. Vit Novak                1
Texas Instruments           Mr. Robert Kando             1
Toshiba                                                         1
UNISYS Corporation                                              1
Veritas Software            Mr. Roger Cummings              1
Vixel Corp.                 Mr. Kenneth Hirata              1

                                                    6   16  9   8  = 39

The un-amended original motion passed on a vote of 23:2:5:9=39.

Bob Snively moved that 03-307r5 (r4 as modified) be approved for inclusion in
SBC-2. Gerry Houlder seconded the motion.

Bob explained that 03-307r4 had reached a level of maturity that recommends its
inclusion in SBC-2 so that it can be reviewed side by side with 03-365r1.
George Penokie explained that allowing the reference tag to be changed from
the LBA does not have sufficient benefits to outweigh the problems of
coalescing writes and protection across copy and backup operations.

Bob asked to re-present a presentation made to the CAP working group to defend
the importance of the command defined by 03-307r5, but no hands were raised in
response to a request for a display of interest in seeing the presentation.

The motion failed on a vote of 6:15:8:10=39.

George Penokie described 03-271r2 (Obsolete untagged tasks), a proposal
recommended for inclusion in SAM-3, SPC-3, SAS-1.1, FCP-3, ADT, and SRP-2. Rob
Elliott moved that 03-271r2 (r1 as modified) be approved for inclusion in
SAM-3, SPC-3, SAS-1.1, FCP-3, ADT, and SRP-2. Bill Galloway seconded the
motion. The motion passed on a vote of 21:0:5:13=39.

George Penokie described 02-419r7 (Device names and VPD data), a proposal
recommended for inclusion in SAM-3, SPC-3, SAS-1.1, FCP-3, and SRP-2. George
Penokie moved that 02-419r7 (r6 as revised) be approved for inclusion in
SAM-3, SPC-3, SAS-1.1, FCP-3, and SRP-2. Mark Evans seconded the motion. The
motion passed on a vote of 24:0:5:10=39.

George Penokie described 03-335r1 (Obsolete block device linked commands), a
proposal recommended for inclusion in SPC-3 and SBC-2. Rob Elliott moved that
03-335r1 (r0 as revised) be approved for inclusion in SPC-3 and SBC-2. Bill
Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of 25:0:1:13=39.

George Penokie described 03-352r0 (Making the DQUE bit obsolete in SAM-3), a
proposal recommended for inclusion in SAM-3. Ralph Weber moved that 03-352r0
be approved for inclusion in SAM-3. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The
motion passed on a vote of 25:0:1:13=39.

George Penokie described the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
SPC-3:

03-183r6 (New Inquiry VPD Page - Management Network Address) [Binford]
03-253r0 (Persistent All Registrants Fix Part 2) [Penokie]
03-210r4 (PERSISTENT RESERVE OUT SPEC_I_PT additional parameter data) [Weber]
03-343r1 (Report supported asymmetric access states) [Elliott]
03-356r0 (Protocol Identifier for ATAPI) [Elliott]
03-359r1 (Disable implicit asymmetric logical unit access) [Elliott]
03-350r0 (Changing Control mode page with commands in the task set) [Elliott]

Rob Elliott moved that 03-183r6, 03-253r0, 03-210r4, 03-343r1, 03-356r0,
03-359r1, and 03-350r0 be approved for inclusion in SPC-3. Bill Galloway
seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of 27:0:0:12=39.

George Penokie described the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
SBC-2:

03-362r0 (Obsolete SEEK(10)) [Elliott]
03-383r1 (New READ LONG (16) and WRITE LONG (16) commands) [Evans]

Mark Evans moved that 03-362r0, and 03-383r1 be approved for inclusion in
SBC-2. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of
27:0:0:12=39.

George Penokie described 03-347r1 (Reporting peer enclosure service
processes), a proposal recommended for inclusion in SES-2. Rob Elliott moved
that 03-347r1 (r0 as revised) be approved for inclusion in SES-2. Mark Evans
seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of 27:0:0:12=39.

10.3   Actions on Other Working Group Recommendations

No recommendations from other working groups were brought to this meeting.


11.    ISO/IEC

11.1   ISO/IEC Report (03-390r1) [Robinson]

Gary Robinson presented the ISO/IEC report (03-390r0).

11.2   ISO/IEC Business [Robinson]

11.2.1 NWIP for SBP-3 (03-301r0) [Robinson]

Gary Robinson moved that T10 approve the NWIP Serial Bus Protocol -3, SBP-3,
(T10/03-301r0) 1.25.13.11.39: 14776-233, as a US contribution to JTC1/SC25 and
to approve the NP to be issued by SC25, answering the 6 questions 'Yes' and
naming Gary S. Robinson as project editor. Dave Peterson seconded the motion.

The motion passed on a roll call vote of 30:0:0:9=39. Details of the roll call
vote were as follows:

Organization                Name                   Yes No Abs NP
Adaptec, Inc.               Mr. Tim Symons          1
Agilent Technologies        Ms. Pat Thaler          1
Amphenol Interconnect       Mr. Michael Wingard     1
Andiamo Systems, Inc.       Dr. Claudio DeSanti     1
Brocade Comm. Systems, Inc. Mr. Robert Snively      1
Crossroads Systems, Inc.    Mr. Robert Griswold     1
Dallas Semiconductor                                          1
Dell, Inc.                  Mr. Kevin Marks         1
EMC Corp.                   Mr. Gary S. Robinson    1
Emulex                      Mr. Robert H. Nixon     1
ENDL Texas                  Mr. Ralph O. Weber      1
FCI                                                           1
Fujitsu                     Mr. Mike Fitzpatrick    1
General Dynamics                                              1
Hewlett Packard Co.         Mr. Rob Elliott         1
Hitachi Cable Manchester    Mr. Zane Daggett        1
Hitachi Global Storage Tech Mr. Dan Colegrove       1
IBM / Tivoli Systems        Mr. George O. Penokie   1
Intel Corp.                 Mr. Cris Simpson        1
Iomega Corp.                Mr. Hiromichi Oribe     1
LSI Logic Corp.             Mr. John Lohmeyer       1
Madison Cable Corp.                                           1
Maxtor Corp.                Mr. Mark Evans          1
Microsoft Corp.                                               1
Molex Inc.                  Mr. Jay Neer            1
Panasonic Technologies, Inc                                   1
Philips Electronics/CD Edge Mr. William P. McFerrin 1
Pivot3, Inc.                                                  1
QLogic Corp.                Mr. Craig W. Carlson    1
Quantum Corp.               Mr. Paul Entzel         1
SBS Technologies            Mr. David Peterson      1
Seagate Technology          Mr. Gerald Houlder      1
Storage Technology Corp.    Mr. Erich Oetting       1
Sun Microsystems, Inc.      Mr. Vit Novak           1
Texas Instruments           Mr. Robert Kando        1
Toshiba                                                       1
UNISYS Corporation                                            1
Veritas Software            Mr. Roger Cummings      1
Vixel Corp.                 Mr. Kenneth Hirata      1

                                                   30  0   0  9 = 39

Gary Robinson took an action item to forward 03-301r0 as a US contribution to
JTC1/SC25 as a NWIP for Serial Bus Protocol -3, SBP-3, 1.25.13.11.39:
14776-233.

11.2.2 FCD Ballot for FCD 14776-452: IT - Small Computer System Interface
(SCSI) -Part 452: SCSI Primary Commands -2 (SPC-2)

INCITS requested that T10 vote to approve the FCD 14776-452 SPC-2. It was
noted that the vote was taken at the September meeting (agenda item 11.2.3 in
03-306r0) and the tally was 34:0:0:7=41.

Gary Robinson took an action item to report to INCITS that T10 recommended
approval of FCD 14776-452 SPC-2 during the September meeting (minutes in
03-306r0). The approval was under agenda item 11.2.3 and the vote was
34:0:0:7=41. The September action item was incorrectly written for an FDIS
instead of an FCD.

12.    Liaison Reports

12.1   T11 Liaison Report (03-366r0) [Snively]

Bob Snively presented the T11 liaison report contained in T10/03-366r0.

12.2   T13 Liaison Report [Colegrove]

Dan Colegrove provided an oral report to the committee on the activities of
T13. The only T13 activity is completing the ATA/ATAPI-7, which does include
SATA standardization.

For details regarding T13 activities see www.t13.org.

12.3   SFF Industry Group [Allan]

In the absence of Dal Allan, Vit Novak reported that both SFF working group
and SFF plenary meetings were held this week. The single voltage drive
proposal title was changed to 12 V single voltage drive. A four-lane connector
project had a first draft submitted for review.

12.4   IEEE 1394 [Johansson]

In the absence of Peter Johansson, no report was available.

12.5   SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Czekalski]

Marty Czekalski provided an electronic report on the activities of the SCSI
Trade Association that can be found in 03-397r0.

12.6   IETF SCSI over IP [Black/Robinson]

In the absence of David Black, Roger Cummings reported that the IP Storage
working group is not meeting with the IETF in Minneapolis. iSCSI over RDMA is
being discussed in the RDDP working group. Roger also described the IMSS
working group that is working on storage-related MIBs.

12.7   SNIA (03-396r0) [Cummings]

Roger Cummings reported orally to the committee and provided an electronic
report in 03-396r0.

12.8   SATA II [Cox/open]

The SATA II group has not yet designated an official liaison to T10.

Alvin Cox reported that on the activities of the SATA face-to-face last week.
He repeated Dan Colegrove's reminder about the ATA/ATAPI-7 work being held in
T13. He closed by noting that the internal 4x cable will be available for
testing soon.


13.    Review of Action Items

545    David Black will ensure that RFCs are written defining URLs for SNMP,
CIM over HTTP/HTTPS, and SSH.
557    Gary Robinson will forward 03-301r0 as a US contribution to JTC1/SC25
as a NWIP for Serial Bus Protocol -3, SBP-3, 1.25.13.11.39: 14776-233.
558    Gary Robinson will report to INCITS that T10 recommended approval of
FCD 14776-452 SPC-2 during the September meeting (minutes in 03-306r0). The
approval was under agenda item 11.2.3 and the vote was 34:0:0:7=41. The
September action item was incorrectly written for an FDIS instead of an FCD.


14.    Meeting Schedule

The next plenary meeting of T10 will be Thursday January 15, 2004 in Chandler,
AZ at the Wyndham Garden Hotel (480-961-4444), hosted by Intel Corp. The
meeting will begin at 9:00 a.m. on Thursday.

The meeting list for the next plenary week is:

                           January 2004 Meeting Map
                             (2003/11/06 Version)
Monday 1/12        9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +=======================================+
                   | ADI WG                                |          (15)
                   +=======================================+
                   | SAS Protocol WG                       |          (40)
                   +=======================================+

Tuesday 1/13   8   9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +========+==========================+
                   | ADI WG | SCSI CAP WG              |              (40)
                   +========+======================+===+
                   | MMC WG                        |                  (10)
                   +===============================+---+
                   | T11.5 FAIS WG                     |              (30)
                   +---------------+---------------+---+
                   | Plugfest Adm *| STA Marcom *  |                  (20)
                   +---------------+---------------+

Wednesday 1/14     9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9
                   +==========================================+
                   | SCSI Commands, Arch.,                    +===============================+==========+
                   | MMC WG                        |                  (10)
                   +=======================+=======+---+
                                           |SFF        |              (20)
                 +-----------------+-------+-------+---+
                 | STA Plenary *   / Plugfest TCC *|                  (20)
                 +-----------------+---------------+

Thursday 1/15  8   9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +=================+===================+
                   | T10 Plenary     | SBC-2/SES-2 Edit  |         (45/10)
                   +=================+===================+

Friday 1/16    8   9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   (No meetings planned on Friday)


Meetings marked with == are T10-authorized meetings.
Meetings marked with -- are other groups and may change without notice.
Meetings marked with (*) are STA closed meetings.

 Other T10-authorized meetings:
Meeting         Date                Location / Contact
--------------  ------------------  --------------------------------------
ADI Call        tentative Nov 17th  To be announced via T10 reflector
ADI Call        tentative Dec 15th  To be announced via T10 reflector
MSC Call        TBD                 To be announced via T10 reflector
SAS Prot Calls                      To be announced via T10 reflector
SAS PHY Calls                       To be announced via T10 reflector
3rd party       TBD                 Rob Elliott
persistent
reservations


  Map Abbreviation Key:
ADI:         Automation Drive Interface (tape library interface)
Amnd:        Amendment
CAP:         Commands, Architecture, and Protocols
Fast-80:     Data Transfer at 80 Mega-transfers/sec. (a.k.a., Ultra3,Ultra160)
Fast-160:    Data Transfer at 160 Mega-transfers/sec. (a.k.a., Ultra320)
FC:          Fibre Channel
I/F:         Interface
IETF:        Internet Engineering Task Force (the group that sets
             Internet standards)
iFC:         Internet Fibre Channel
IPS:         Internet Protocol SCSI
iSCSI:       Internet SCSI
LB:          Letter Ballot
MMC:         Multimedia Commands (CD-ROM, DVD, etc.)
OSD:         Object-based Storage Device
Par.:        Parallel (e.g., SPI-n)
PH or PHY:   Physical (Connectors, Cables, Transceivers, etc.)
PIP:         (SCSI) Passive Interconnect Performance
Plenary:     Full Committee Meeting
Res:         Resolution
SAS:         Serial Attached SCSI
SBC-2:       SCSI Block Commands - 2
SBP-3:       Serial Bus Protocol - 3
SCSI:        Small Computer System Interface
SES:         SCSI Enclosure Services
SFF:         SFF Industry Group (not an INCITS activity)
SG:          Study Group
SMC-2:       SCSI Medium Changer - 2 Commands
SPC-3:       SCSI Primary Commands - 2 (3rd generation)
SPI-4:       Fourth Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SPI-5:       Fifth Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SRP:         SCSI RDMA Protocol (was SVP)
SRP-2:       SCSI RDMA Protocol (2nd generation)
SSC-2:       SCSI Stream Commands - 2 (includes Tape)
SSM-2:       SCSI Signal Modeling (2nd generation)
SSWGs:       Specific-Subject Working Groups
STA:         SCSI Trade Association (Closed meeting -- not an INCITS activity)
STA Marcom:  STA Marketing Communications (Closed meeting -- not an INCITS
activity)
STA Tech:    STA Technical Meeting (T10 members invited)
STP:         Serial ATA Tunneled Protocol
T10:         SCSI Storage Interfaces Technical Committee
T11:         Device Level Interfaces Technical Committee
WG:          Working Group (same as Ad Hoc Group)


For more information about T10 activities, please contact the following
people:

Activity                     Contact         Telephone/Email
---------------------------- --------------- ------------------------------
ADT                          Paul Entzel     (720) 406-5782
                                             paul.entzel at quantum.com
ADC                          Rod Wideman     (720) 249-5796
                                             rod.wideman at adic.com
SBC-2, SES-2, SAS, SAS-1.1   Rob Elliott     (281) 518-5037
                                             Elliott at hp.com
MMC-4                        Bill McFerrin   (303) 651-5400
                                             bmcferrin at aol.com
SBP-3                        Peter Johansson (510) 527-3926
                                            PJohansson at ACM.org
MSC                          George Penokie  (507) 253-5208
                                             gpenokie at tivoli.com
SMC-2                        Erich Oetting   (303) 673-2178
                                             Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
SPC-3, SAM-2, SAM-3, OSD     Ralph Weber     (214) 912-1373
                                             roweber at acm.org
SSC-2, SSC-3, FCP-2, FCP-3   Dave Peterson   (612) 802-3299
                                             dap at sbs.com
SRP-2                        Cris Simpson    (503) 712-4333
                                             cris.simpson at intel.com
Other Activities             John Lohmeyer   (719) 533-7560
                                             lohmeyer at t10.org

The long-term T10 meeting week schedule is:

Date                Location                   Host/Comments
------------------  -------------------------  -----------------------------
Jan 12-16, 2004     Chandler, AZ               Intel
Mar 8-12, 2004      Dana Point, CA             QLogic
May 3-7, 2004       Monterey, CA               Brocade
Jul 12-16, 2004     Colorado Springs, CO       LSI Logic
Sep 13-17, 2004     Nashua, NH                 Hitachi Cable
Nov 8-12, 2004      Austin, TX                 Crossroads
Approved 2005 dates, tentative hosts and locations:
Jan 17-21, 2005
Mar 7-11, 2005      Dana Point, CA             QLogic
May 2-6, 2005
Jul 11-15, 2005     Colorado Springs, CO       LSI Logic
Sep 12-16, 2005
Nov 7-11, 2005      Austin, TX                 Crossroads

John Lohmeyer asked organizations interested hosting one of the meetings in
2005 to contact him.

14.1     Authorization of Working Group Meetings

John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under the
same voting procedures as does T10 (that is, one vote per organization) and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee. Ad hoc
groups should strive to achieve consensus prior to bringing issues to T10.

Erich Oetting moved that T10 authorize the T10-related meetings and events in
the list above that had not previously been approved through the end of
December 2003. Mark Evans seconded the motion. In the absence of any
objections, the motion passed unanimously.


15.    Adjournment

Bob Griswold moved and Mark Evans seconded that the meeting be adjourned. In
the absence of any objections, the motion passed unanimously. The meeting was
adjourned at 11:15 a.m. on Thursday November 6, 2003.

Enclosure(1) -- Meeting Attendees

         Name          S        Organization         Electronic Mail Address
---------------------- -- ------------------------- -------------------------
Mr. Tim Symons         P  Adaptec, Inc.             Timothy_Symons at adaptec.
                                                    com
Ms. Pat Thaler         P  Agilent Technologies      pat_thaler at agilent.com
Mr. Michael Wingard    P  Amphenol Interconnect     mike.wingard at aipce.com
Dr. Claudio DeSanti    P  Andiamo Systems, Inc.     cds at andiamo.com
Mr. Robert Snively     P  Brocade Comm. Systems,    rsnively at brocade.com
                          Inc.
Mr. Robert Griswold    P  Crossroads Systems, Inc.  rgriswold at crossroads.com
Mr. Kevin Marks        P  Dell, Inc.                kevin_marks at dell.com
Mr. Gary S. Robinson   P  EMC Corp.                 robinson_gary at emc.com
Mr. Robert H. Nixon    P  Emulex                    bob.nixon at emulex.com
Mr. Ralph O. Weber     P  ENDL Texas                roweber at ieee.org
Mr. Mike Fitzpatrick   P  Fujitsu                   mfitzpatrick at fcpa.
                                                    fujitsu.com
Mr. Rob Elliott        P  Hewlett Packard Co.       Elliott at hp.com
Mr. Zane Daggett       P  Hitachi Cable Manchester  zdaggett at hcm.hitachi.com
Mr. Werner Glinka      A  Hitachi Global Storage    werner.glinka at attglobal.
                          Tech.                     net
Mr. George O. Penokie  P  IBM / Tivoli Systems      gop at us.ibm.com
Mr. Robert Sheffield   A  Intel Corp.               robert.l.sheffield at intel.
                                                    com
Mr. Cris Simpson       P  Intel Corp.               cris.simpson at intel.com
Mr. Hiromichi Oribe    P  Iomega Corp.              oribe at iomega.com
Mr. Keith Holt         A  LSI Logic Corp.           keith.holt at lsil.com
Mr. John Lohmeyer      P  LSI Logic Corp.           lohmeyer at t10.org
Mr. Martin Czekalski   A  Maxtor Corp.              marty_czekalski at maxtor.
                                                    com
Mr. Mark Evans         P  Maxtor Corp.              mark_evans at maxtor.com
Mr. Edward A. Gardner  AV Ophidian Designs          eag at ophidian.com
Mr. William P.         P  Philips Electronics/CD    billmc at tstar.net
McFerrin                  Edge
Mr. Bill Galloway      P  Pivot3, Inc.              billg at pivot3.com
Mr. Greg Elkins        V  QLogic                    greg.elkins at qlogic.com
Mr. Craig W. Carlson   A# QLogic Corp.              craig.carlson at qlogic.com
Mr. Paul Entzel        P  Quantum Corp.             paul.entzel at quantum.com
Mr. David Peterson     P  SBS Technologies          dap at sbs.com
Mr. Alvin Cox          V  Seagate Technology        Alvin.Cox at seagate.com
Mr. Gerald Houlder     P  Seagate Technology        gerry.houlder at seagate.com
Mr. Gary D. Moorhead   V  Seagate Technology        gary.moorhead at seagate.com
Dr. Paul Suhler        V  Seagate Technology        Paul.A.Suhler at certance.
                                                    com
Mr. Erich Oetting      P  Storage Technology Corp.  erich_oetting at stortek.com
Mr. Vit Novak          P  Sun Microsystems, Inc.    vit.novak at sun.com
Mr. Robert Kando       A  Texas Instruments         Robert_Kando at ti.com
Mr. Roger Cummings     P  Veritas Software          roger.cummings at veritas.
                                                    com
Mr. Rich Ramos         V  Xyratex                   rich_ramos at us.xyratex.com

38 People Present

Status Key:  P    -  Principal
             A,A# -  Alternate
             AV   -  Advisory Member
             L    -  Liaison
             V    -  Visitor
 
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