Proposal: Group 3 time out for MMC device

Henry Gabryjelski henrygab at windows.microsoft.com
Mon Feb 3 17:20:49 PST 2003


* From the T10 Reflector (t10 at t10.org), posted by:
* "Henry Gabryjelski" <henrygab at windows.microsoft.com>
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Section 2.4, Sync cache time, says the following:

Host can assume the Expected time for Sync cache via Read Buffer =
Capacity command. For example, if device has 2M bytes buffer, device can =
have about 60 ECC blocks of write data in buffer. In case of 1X CLV of =
DVD media, Expected time for Sync cache is 4.42 sec (=3D 3 + =
0.00148*(960-1)).=20
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However, the data provided by a READ_BUFFER_CAPACITY command is not =
reliable unless a write is buffered.  Therefore, how can the host know =
this information reliably?

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Section 2.5, Fixed value for time-out, says the following:

Sometimes during Seek, Read and Write operation, device may be =
encountered unstable condition or problem. To recover problem, some =
retry action may be performed. The retry action is consisted of a =
scheduled recovery sequence. For scheduled recovery sequence, device =
manufacture has expected time to perform and optimizes it. If the time =
length is set to shorter, device may not be able to expected ability. In =
this case, time-out value is not changeable.

However, I do not understand if this is suggesting that the =
READ12/WRITE12/VERIFY with Streaming/G3TOut bits set are allowed to =
exceed the G3Tout or not.  It seems to suggest that group 3 timeout is =
not applicable, and can be ignored in these cases.  If so, what will the =
host see (>g3 timeout used for a command?)?

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Section 3.1, , says the following:

If Logical unit reports 4 bytes descriptor and sets Additional Length =
field to 0, all following bytes shall be consider as 0.

However, I do not think it is appropriate to suggest that an =
AdditionalLength field of 00h is equivalent to using zero values.  In =
particular, there may be drives made to a previous specification which =
support changing of timeout values, and then this statement is in error =
if the feature 0105h is only four bytes long.  I think this statement =
should be removed.
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Thanks,
.




-----Original Message-----
From: keiji_katata at post.pioneer.co.jp =
[mailto:keiji_katata at post.pioneer.co.jp]=20
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:21 AM
To: mtfuji5 at avc-pioneer.com
Cc: t10 at t10.org; twg3 at ml.cds21solutions.org


Hello all,

I put revised proposal document of Group 3 time out as follows.
 ftp://ftp.avc-pioneer.com/Mtfuji5/Proposal/Feb03/proposal_g3t.zip

After new revision of Fuji 5 is prepared, I will make final proposal
document with Fuji style.
Please send any comment to me.

Best regards,

Keiji Katata
PIONEER CORP.




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