Minutes SCSI signal modeling study group (SSM)
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Sun Jun 20 18:19:24 PDT 1999
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This was the initial meeting to address the general subject of modeling for
scsi. The attendees were;
Name Company Email Address
Paul Aloisi Unitrode aloisi at unitrode.com
Larry Barnes LSI Logic larry.barnes at lsil.com
Jie Fan Madison Cable jfan at madisoncable.com
Jonathan Fasig Western Digital jonathan.l.fasig at wdc.com
Bill Ham Compaq bill_ham at ix.ntecom.com
Tariq Abou-Jeyab Adaptec tajeyab at corp.adaptec.com
Martin Ogbuokiri Molex mogbuokiri at molex.com
Richard Uber Quantum richard.uber at quantum.com
Dean Wallace QLogic d_wallace at qlc.com
3. Agenda development
4. Overview of effort
5.1 Termination model (Paul Aloisi Unitrode)
5.2 Cable model (Tariq Abou-Jeyab Adaptec)
6. Output of group
7. SFF backplane
8. Components to be modeled
8.1 Cable assemblies
8.1.1 Cable media (bulk cables)
8.1.2 Connectors (on cable)
8.1.3 Transition region
8.2.3 Interconnect (e.g. backplanes)
8.5.1 Chip packages
8.5.2 Access to actual measurement points.
9. System configurations
10. Data patterns
11. Data rate
12.1 Physical measurement points
Termination model: Paul Aloisi described a model for an integrated terminator.
This particular design has an output impedance that is flat out to 400MHz.
also pointed out that there is considerable difference between output
versus frequency for other terminator makers. Paul also reviewed a terminator
model for a regulator and discrete resistor stacks (power termination).
Cable Model: Tariq Abou-Jeyab Adaptec described a Pspice model that he was
developing. Tariq tried to build a lumped model using discrete components to
the lumps and discrete components to model the skin effect. The simulation
did not agree with measurements. The group decided that it is very difficult
a cable using this method and tools that allow more flexibility in entering
parameters and calculating loss due to skin effect are probably better suited
lossy cable simulation
The modeling of the skin effect is being examined by Larry Barnes through some
elaborate schemes. The skin effect is currently one of the most difficult
model accurately. It is difficult also to know how much of the measured loss
|from skin effect and how much comes from dielectric losses.
6. Output of the group.
The study group will produce two types of output, 1) reports to the scsi
group, 2) and a committee document containg the technical details. Also a
that will contain simulation models for complete system simulations.
7. SFF Backplane
Bill Ham noted that work was starting on a SFF backplane.
8. Component models.
8.1.1 Cable assemblies
These consist of the media, connectors, and a transition region from the
terminaiton to the media.
8.1.2 Cable media, much discussion centered around how to most accurately
the cable. Lossy transmission line models must be used. The following mesured
parameters are needed to construct an accurate cable model. L(f), C(f), G(f),
potentially the scattering (s) parameters. The frequency range is from the
fundamental of the datarate to 0.59/trise (20 to 80 percent number presented
by Larry). The cable parameters are represented by matrices
Rm,n(f) is the dc resistance and the skin effect resistance
Gm,n(f) is the dielectric loss.
Lm,n(f) is the mutual inductance and the self inductance
Cm,n(f) is the capacitance both coupling and to ground.
The size of the matrix depends on how many conductors are used in the coupling
calculations. The two conductor model was worked out, but there was some
disagreement as to how many conductors have to be considered for crosstalk.
Larry Barnes took the action item to see what this number is, his first
thought was the five closest pairs. When Larry does this calculation he will
consider conductors that have a mutual inductance that is within 10% of the
self inductance, anything less than this
will be ignored.
Jie Fan agreed to present measured numbers for the next meeting that can be
used in the simulation model. These numbers will include the frequency
effects from 40MHz to 400MHz at 40MHz steps. Jie will provide the measurement
methods and the measurements for AWG 30 cable.
Skew will be accounted for in the model by adjusting the cable length in the
simulation to give the proper skew numbers between pairs. Only pair to pair
skew will be considered, conductor to conductor skew will not. The other
method for adding in skew would be to adjust the parametric numbers in the
model, but this was decided against.
Verification of the simulation model with measured results should be done by
1) Input step response with TDR measurements, this will give the impedance of
2)Attenuation versus frequency.
There was some discussion on how to do a simulated TDR and Martin Ogbuokiri
will give a presentation on this next time.
8.1.2 Connectors on cable assemblies
Were not discussed due to lack of time.
8.1.3 Transistion region
Not discussed due to lack of time.
There was some discussion as to how many connectors should be considered on
the host board, the number agreed to is two wide connectors. Tariq agreed to
do a host board model.
Dean agreed to do a targe board model.
8.2.3 Interconnect board
Not discussed due to lack of time.
Do good connector models exist? Only models available are for mated
connectors. Molex has connector models for the VHDCI and SCA-2.
See Paul Aloisi's presentation.
Question of how to model due to the proprietary nature of the designs.
The rest of the agenda was not covered due to lack of time. The next meeting
will be July 29. A more complete document that will be updated after each
meeting will be uploaded to the website, the document nubmer is 99-204r0.
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