ITCC Response on IPF Issue

Lohmeyer, John JLOHMEYE at cosmpdaero.ftcollinsco.ncr.com
Tue Feb 27 14:43:00 PST 1996


* From the SCSI Reflector, posted by:
* "Lohmeyer, John" <JLOHMEYE at cosmpdaero.ftcollinsco.ncr.com>
*

I have received a letter from Dick Gibson, Chair of ITCC, responding to the 
letters that Bob Snively and I wrote regarding the International Program Fee 
(IPF).  It includes three attachments (the first is an Excel spreadsheet, 
attached to this message; the other two are rather poor-quality photocopies 
 -- Short of rekeying these four pages, I'm not sure how we'll be able to 
distribute these attachments).

I should also mention that ITCC has reconsidered its former position on IPF 
billing for Task Groups.  Starting in 1997, they will bill the IPF the same 
way that X3 bills the membership fees.  That is, the P and A members of a 
Task Group will not be billed the IPF if they are also members of the parent 
Technical Committee.

Regards,

John Lohmeyer, Chair X3T10 Technical Committee

Here is Dick Gibson's letter:

                                                              February 8, 
1996





Mr. John Lohmeyer, Chairman X3T10
Mr. Robert Snively, Member X3T10 & X3T11

Thank you for your letters of January 17 and January 27th.  I am taking the
liberty of a collective response to your letters since it appears that they
both deal with the same issues and request similar information.  I would
encourage you to make this letter and its attachments available to others in
you committees who share your concerns.

I think that it is most unfortunate that issues involving the IPF have been 
so
disruptive to the work of your committees.  It is particularly so when the
concerns involve misunderstandings or suppositions as opposed to legitimate
differences.  While, given the current state of unrest, it may be too much 
to
hope that I can convince anyone to like the IPF program, I can at least
provide you with a factual basis upon which to evaluate the program.

One point needs clarification at the outset.  That is, who is doing this to
you?  As pointed out in my November 30th memo, the IPF is billed by various
means depending upon arrangements between ANSI and the SDOs involved and the
funds are used by ANSI to pay for its cost of administering the 
international
IT program on behalf of the IT industry.  The IT industry (for the purpose 
of
funding the IT program) is represented by industry members of the ITCC.  The
current program was devised by industry volunteers, like yourselves, not by
ANSI staff.  In addition to ITCC members, the program has been reviewed with
the staffs of the SDOs involved and, specifically to your concerns, was
endorsed by the representatives to X3 and the JTC 1 TAG.  All of the groups 
I
have mentioned are completely open management groups, composed of industry
members, that are charged with dealing with matters such as the IPF.  The
answer to the question is, industry is doing this to itself, and, therefore, 
I
don't think that there is a good basis for any claim of "taxation without
representation".

Are changes possible in the program?  The answer is clearly yes.  For 
example,
we considered the dot group billing issue last July, in the presence of the
Chair of X3T11 and at the request of his committee, and again consider it at
our 2/1 meeting (reversing our previous position).  However, there are some
practical factors that ITCC must take into account.  A major one is that we
are currently in the midst of the 1996 billing cycle so changes to the
program, depending upon their nature, will likely have to wait for the 1997
billing cycle.  The implication of this is that you need to be mindful of 
all
of the current rules and their implications.  In particular, the escrow 
scheme
being considered has no bearing on membership requirements, and if pursued
would only lead to the termination of your memberships.  ITCC is willing to
consider any changes that will improve the system.  Failure to resolve an
issue in the manner you would prefer, however, does not mean the committee 
has
not given a fair hearing to your issue.

There is one point on which I think we can all agree.  That is, the IPF
program should be fair in both its construction and its implementation.  Of
course, what is fair depends upon ones perspective.  Several years ago, the
program was funded entirely by ITCC member dues (several paying $75K/year) 
and
by ANSI general funds.  That might seem fair to you, but I think that you 
can
understand why the ITCC members and ANSI did not feel that was fair to them.
Even today, ITCC member dues ($15K/year) continue to guarantee for industry
the continuation of the program, since IPF receipts have not covered the
entire program cost to date.

What ITCC has deemed fair is a broad based program, paid for by all of the
industry members that benefit from the existence of the JTC 1 committee. 
 The
broader the base, the lower the individual fee, with the intent that a fee
that is small relative to other costs of participation ($300 certainly meets
that criterion), while never welcome, is at least not onerous.  While the
program costs include specific SC Secretariats, it is really the JTC 1 SC
infrastructure that is being supported since we must support some as our
share, and the specific SCs the US supports will change over time.  Our
intended outreach, therefore, is to all US committees involved in JTC 1
technology -- "period".  The number of TAGs involved, or the number of JTC 1
sub-groups involved, or the number of contributions processed are not
relevant.  If we attempted to take into account such factors in the design 
of
the billing algorithm, in a system with thousands of participants and 
hundreds
of groups, we would spend more in collections than we would net.  Ease of
billing is an essential requirement.

The invisibility of "services" that can be directly linked to an individual
IPF is due to the fact that what is being "bought" is an infrastructure. 
 For
example, your tax dollars pay for roads and bridges that you individually 
may
or may not drive on, but perhaps the truck that delivered your groceries, or
the gas for your car, drove on them.

With respect to the implementation of the program (the billing system) we 
have
had some start-up problems.  Most of these are behind us now, but some
important ones remain.  These are mainly committees (in IEEE and TIA and 
other
groups) that should be being billed but are not.  ITCC is actively working 
on
these issues.  The overwhelming majority of those billed an IPF for 1995 
have
paid the bill.  We collected an IPF from 1737 people in 1995 and we expect 
to
increase this for 1996.

Attached are several ITCC documents that provide the data you requested.
These are (this information is being regularly made available to JTC 1 TAG
members):

   1.  A summary chart of Income and Expenses by source.

   2.  A summary of the 1995 IPF funds collected indicating the source of 
the
       funds (including the current ITCC members).

   3.  A summary of the program expenses for 1995

The question about ANSI vs. ISO style guides is not an issue for the ITCC. 
 If
you have specific concerns in this area, I suggest that you refer them to 
the
ANSI Publications Department.

Lastly, I encourage you to discuss your concerns with your representatives 
on
the ITCC or the SDO management committees.  If you have further questions
about the program, or have specific recommendations for change, I would be
happy to address them.

Sincerely,




Richard B. Gibson
Chairman, ITCC

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