Minutes of X3T10 Meeting #11 in Bedford, NH - 9/14/95

Lohmeyer, John JLOHMEYE at cosmpdaero.ftcollinsco.ncr.com
Wed Sep 20 14:06:00 PDT 1995


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Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #11 in Bedford, NH             X3T10/95-325r0

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                                                      Date: September 20, 1995
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From:     Ralph Weber, Secretary X3T10
          John Lohmeyer, Chair X3T10

Subject:  Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #11
          Bedford, NH -- September 14, 1995


                                       Agenda

1. Opening Remarks

2. Approval of Agenda

3. Attendance and Membership

4. Approval  of  Minutes  - July Meeting Colorado Springs,  CO  (X3T10/95-
   265r1)

5. Document Distribution

6. Call for Patents

7. Review of Old Action Items

8. Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports
   8.1 Project Status Summary and X3/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]
   8.2 X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Hallam]
   8.3 SCSI Common Access Method (CAM) {Project 792-D} [Dallas]
   8.4 ATA Extensions (ATA-2) Status {Project 948-D} [Finch]
   8.5 SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status {Project 855-D} [Lamers]
   8.6 SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status {Project 856-D} [Penokie]
   8.7  SCSI  Common  Access  Method  -3 (CAM-3)  Status  {Project  990-D}
      [Dallas]
   8.8  SCSI-3  Generic Packetized Protocol (GPP) Status {Project  991-DT}
      [Stephens]
   8.9 SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status {Project 992-D} [Roberts]
   8.10  SCSI-3  Fiber  Channel  Protocol  (FCP)  Status  {Project  993-D}
      [Snively]
   8.11 SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status {Project 994-D} [Monia]
   8.12 SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status {Project 995-D} [Weber]
   8.13 SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) Status {Project 996-D} [Tewell]
   8.14 SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Lappin]
   8.15 SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) Status {Project 998-D} [Tewell]
   8.16  SCSI-3  Medium  Changer  Commands (SMC)  Status  {Project  999-D}
      [Oetting]
   8.17 SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) Status {Project 1047-D} [Penokie]
   8.18 Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]
   8.19  SCSI-3  Fast-20  Parallel  Interface (Fast-20)  {Project  1071-D}
      [Lamers]
   8.20   AT   Attachment-3  Interface  (ATA-3)  Status  {Project  2008-D}
      [Milligan]
   8.21 ATA Packet Interface (ATAPI) Status {Project 1120-D} [Milligan]
   8.22 Systems Issues Study Group [Penman]
   8.23 SPI-2 Study Group [Ham/Aloisi]
   8.24 High Availability Study Group [Sicola]

9. Old Business
   9.1 Clarification of international program fee [Allan]
   9.2  Addressability of TARGET RESET task management function (94-236r2)
      [Snively]
   9.3 Resolution of SCSI-3 SBP (0992-D) Public Review Comments

10. New Business
   10.1 Resolution of Public Review Comments (if any) on Fast-20
   10.2 Resolution of Public Review Comments (if any) on ATA-2
   10.3 Forwarding of Serial Bus Protocol - 2 (SBP-2) Project Proposal
   10.4  Forwarding  of PC Boot Considerations for Devices >8GB  Technical
      Report Project Proposal [Penman]
   10.5 Should Prevent Allow Medium Removal be Placed in SPC? [Lappin]
   10.6 Log Page & Parameters for SSC (95-304r1) [Stone]
   10.7 Software Write Protect Bit Location in SSC (95-318r1) [Stone]
   10.8 Report Density Command (95-224r5) [Lappin]
   10.9 REPORT LUNs Command (95-253r3) [Weber]
   10.10 Disconnect/Reconnect Mode Page (95-208r3) [Gardner]
   10.11 Informational Exceptions Control Mode Page (95-323r1) [Houlder]

11. ISO Report [Milligan]
   11.1  X3T10  Recommendation Regarding Continuation of the International
      ESDI Project [Milligan]
   11.2 ISO NWIs for ATA, ATAPI, and CAM [Milligan]

12. Liaison Reports
   12.1 X3T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]
   12.2 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
   12.3 IEEE P1394 [Marazas]
   12.4 IEEE P1285 Status [Pak]
   12.5 PCMCIA Report [McLean]

13. Review of Action Items

14. Meeting Schedule
   14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings
   14.2 RAB Letter

15. Adjournment


                              Results of Meeting

1.          Opening Remarks

John Lohmeyer, the X3T10 Chair, called the meeting to order at 1:05 p.m.,
Thursday September 14, 1995.  He thanked Charles Monia of Digital Equipment
Corp. for hosting the meeting.

John said that X3 Subgroup Membership forms and the X3T10 Mailing Subscription
form were available on the document table.  He said that people should use the
X3 forms to insure the X3 Secretariat has the latest membership information.
These forms should be mailed directly to the X3 Secretariat.

As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves and a copy of the
attendance list was circulated.  Copies of the draft agenda and general
information on X3T10 were made available to those attending.

2.          Approval of Agenda

The draft agenda was approved as with the following additions:

      10.4 Forwarding of PC Boot Considerations for Devices >8GB Technical
Report Project Proposal
             [Penman]
      10.5 Should Prevent Allow Medium Removal be Placed in SPC? [Lappin]
      10.6 Log Page & Parameters for SSC (95-304r1) [Stone]
      10.7 Software Write Protect Bit Location in SSC (95-318r1) [Stone]
      10.8 Report Density Command (95-224r5) [Lappin]
      10.9 REPORT LUNs Command (95-253r3) [Weber]
      10.10 Disconnect/Reconnect Mode Page (95-208r3) [Gardner]
      10.11 Informational Exceptions Control Mode Page (95-323r1) [Houlder]



3.          Attendance and Membership

The membership requirements were reviewed.  X3 rules permit one vote per
organization.  An individual from a new organization must attend two out of
three consecutive plenary meetings.  He/she may apply for voting membership
the second meeting via a letter to the Chair of X3T10.  The individual may
vote at the second plenary meeting.  Working group meetings do not count
toward attendance requirements.

Organizations must also pay the X3 Service Fee ($300) to maintain membership.
The International Program Fee ($300) is billed separately directly from ANSI.

The Chair said he had sent letters to 4 people from 3 organizations informing
them that their membership was in jeopardy due to non-attendance (see 95-
028r0) and that their membership would be terminated if they did not attend
this meeting.  All organizations were represented at this meeting except:

Sequoia Advanced Tech., Inc.
Zadian Technologies

These organizations were `terminated' (that is, the principals were changed to
observers, first alternates, if any, were dropped, and any additional
alternates were changed to observers).  No organizations joined X3T10 at the
meeting.

John reported that, since the last meeting, Future Domain has been purchased
by Adaptec.  As a result, all members from Future Domain have had their status
changed to observers from Adaptec.

The X3T10 membership is now at 53 organizations down from 56 organizations
last time.  Enclosure (1) is the list of the people present at the meeting and
enclosure (2) is the current X3T10 membership list.

4.    Approval of Minutes - July Meeting Colorado Springs, CO (X3T10/95-
      265r1)

The minutes were approved as written.

5.          Document Distribution

Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Katrina Gray (kgray at itic.nw.dc.us) or Dan Arnold
(darnold at itic.nw.dc.us) at (202) 626-5741.

Larry Lamers requested that all documents for the next mailing be in his hands
by noon on Thursday September 28, 1995. Documents received after this date
will go into a subsequent mailing.

Larry Lamers reminded the committee of the requirements for document
submission to be included in the committee mailing.  Since X3T10 meets its
document archiving requirements by including the X3 Secretariat on the mailing
list, documents included in the mailing must be suitable for archiving.  This
means that high-quality, single-sided originals with adequate margins and
proper identification must be submitted.  Document X3T10/95-147 contains the
list of requirements for submissions.

In keeping with the X3T10 committee's new efforts for electronic document
filing and distribution, Larry requested that electronic copies of all
documents be made available to him.  The electronic copies can be sent
directly to Larry.  Or, the electronic document can be placed on the SCSI BBS.
Symbios maintains a World Wide Web page on behalf of X3T10 at
http://www.symbios.com/x3t10.

As usual, minutes are also available on the SCSI BBS (719-574-0424) and will
be distributed to the ATA and SCSI Reflectors.  To be added to the ATA
Reflector, send an email to majordomo at dt.wdc.com with the line 'subscribe ata'
in the message body.  To subscribe to the SCSI Reflector, send an electronic
message to: scsi-request at symbios.com and include your mailing address in the
message body.  The X3 Secretariat maintains a World Wide Web page at
http://www.x3.org.

The current document register is enclosure (3).

Larry Lamers moved that, starting in January 1996, X3T10 will require that
documents be presented to the document distribution person in an electronic
format.  Tom Hanan seconded the motion.

Larry requested that the native format files be provided.

Joe Chen moved to amend Larry's motion to require Microsoft Word format.  Tom
Hanan seconded the motion to amend.  After a brief discussion, the motion
failed 10:23.

The main motion passed 36:1.  Peter Johansson stated that his no vote was
based on the failure to amend the motion to place the requirement solely on
X3T10 members.

6.          Call for Patents

This is a regular agenda item to identify any potential patent issues with
developing standards.

John reported that Micropolis and Compaq have not responded to the letters he
sent following the March and May meetings, respectively.

A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge.  Annex I contains
the ANSI patent policy.

7.          Review of Old Action Items

84)   George Penokie will prepare a document (probably a technical report)
describing the SPI fairness
      algorithm.  Carryover
96)   Gene Milligan will provide a letter describing the Seagate patent
policy. Complete
97)   Alan Olsen will review the REPORT DENSITY proposal with QIC.  Carryover
98)   John Lohmeyer will forward SCC rev 6 to X3 for further processing
(second public review). Complete
99)   John Lohmeyer will forward FCP rev 12 to X3 for further processing
(second public review).  Complete
100)  Charles Monia will prepare SAM rev 18 for forwarding to second public
review.  Complete
101)  John Lohmeyer will forward SAM rev 18 to X3 for further processing
(second public review).  Complete
102)  John Lohmeyer will forward the ATA TC comments resolutions document (95-
282), roll-call vote
      results, and reasons for no votes to X3 OMC for their consideration.
Complete
103)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised project proposals for SSA-PH1,
SSA-PH2, SSA-TL1,
      SSA-TL2, SSA-S2P, and SSA-S3P to X3 for further processing.  Complete
104)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised project proposal for FCP-2 to X3
for further
      processing.  Complete
105)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised project proposals for SPI-2 and
EPI to X3 for
      further processing.  Complete
106)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised project proposal for ATA+PI to
X3 for further
      processing.  Complete
107)  Gene Milligan will draft a letter to X3 describing the problems with
current ANSI patent
      policies with respect to Technical Reports.  Complete
108)  John Lohmeyer will add an agenda item to determine the X3T10
recommendation regarding
      continuation of the international ESDI project.  Complete
109)  Larry Lamers will prepare a printed copy of the SPI revision 15a for
the IR to forward
      to SC25 for CD ballot.  Complete
110)  Charles Monia will prepare a printed copy of the SAM revision 18 for
the IR to forward
      to SC25 for CD ballot.  Complete
111)  Larry Lamers will prepare a printed copy of FAST-20 revision 6 for the
IR to forward
      to SC25 for CD ballot.  Complete
112)  George Penokie will prepare a printed copy of the SCC revision 6 for
the IR to
      forward to SC25 for CD ballot.  Complete
113)  Bob Snively will prepare a printed copy of the FCP revision 12 for the
IR to forward
      to SC25 for CD ballot.  Complete
114)  John Lohmeyer will add an agenda item covering possible generation of
new ISO work
      items concerning ATA and ATAPI.  Complete
115)  John Lohmeyer will add an agenda item covering possible submission of
CAM to ISO.  Complete
116)  Rick Tewell will document the usage of the 0Dh mode page code in SBC as
per the
      wishes of X3T10 expressed in item 10.6 of the meeting #10 minutes.
Carryover
117)  X3T10.1 will produce a recommendation of how to represent the SSA
roadmap in the SCSI-3
      roadmap.  Overtaken by events

8.          Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports

      8.1   Project Status Summary and X3/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]

John said that the current X3T10 project status summary was included on the
backs of the meeting agendas and will be included in the mailing as usual.
X3T10 had a large number of items on the OMC agenda for its September 12-14
meeting in Nashua, NH.  John attended part of their meeting Wednesday morning
to get the latest information.  Things that changed since John printed the
X3T10 project status summary are:

CAM passed its management review and will now go to X3 letter ballot.

The first (and apparently only) public review on the GPP technical report is
September 15 -- November 14.  It will be designated X3/TR-16-199x.

The second public review on FCP is September 29 -- November 28.  The second
public reviews on SAM and SCC are October 13 -- December 12.

The project proposals on FCP-2, SPI-2, EPI, SSA-PH1, SSA-TL1, SSA-PH2, SSA-
PH2, SSA-S2P, and SSA-S3P were all accepted with no changes and are now going
to X3 letter ballot.

The project proposal on ATA+PI was deferred until the November OMC meeting.
It was deferred because OMC did not want to deal with conditional liaison
statements.  By the November meeting, X3 should have decided whether or not to
create X3T13.

The proposal to create a new ATA Technical Committee was the most
controversial X3T10 item on the OMC agenda.  John reported that OMC was
reluctant at first to authorize another TC because of concerns the large
number of negative votes at X3T10, X3 budget issues, and concerns over further
dividing I/O interface work.  Eventually, OMC voted 8:1:2:? to issue an X3
letter ballot for a new TC, which would be called "I/O Interfaces - AT
Attachment, X3T13".  The letter ballot will be timed to close after the
October X3 meeting, but before the November OMC meeting.

      8.2   X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Hallam]

In the absence of Ken Hallam, Larry Lamers presented the X3T10.1 report, as
follows:

                                X3T10.1 Report
                         August 26-29, 1995 Ithaca, NY

Met Sunday thru Wednesday in Ithaca, NY
3 full days of W.G. meetings, 1/2 day Plenary

27 P-Members   Jeopardy = Cypress, EMC, Quantum, SSI, Western Digital

Project Activity
Reviewed all 3 drafts and many new proposals. No major technical changes.
Plan is to approve all 3 drafts as ready for X3T10 Letter Ballot in October

Physical - PH1
Draft revision 5a reviewed
Editorial corrections
Adopted a 150 ohm impedance (+/-15) termination value
Considering more detailed termination spec. (capacitance)
Molex and ITT-Cannon to clean up connector dwgs.
Update to Revision 6 approved

TL1
Added lots of editorial comments from John Scheible.
New SAT clarification, (revised entire section but no technical changes)
Clarified Wrap Mode operation
Changed Query Port Reply to allow speed negotiation parameters
Changed SMS rules to have source zero fill and destination ignore extra bytes
Update to revision 7 approved

S2P
Lots of editorial work accomplished
No technical changes
Update to revision 4 approved

Need 3 X3T10 Letter Ballots for issue in November 95

      8.3   SCSI Common Access Method (CAM) {Project 792-D} [Dallas]

John reported that CAM is going to X3 letter ballot.  He reported that
forwarding to ANSI could be expected around the end of the year.

      8.4   ATA Extensions (ATA-2) Status {Project 948-D} [Finch]

John reported that ATA-2 passed its public review without any comments, except
editorial comments from ANSI. John said the following schedule appears likely:
X3T10 will vote on accepting the ANSI changes as non-substantive in November,
OMC do its management review in January, and the X3 letter ballot will be
processed after that.

      8.5   SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status {Project 855-D} [Lamers]

      John reported that SPI revision 15a is at the ANSI BSR for review.  He
was unaware if it has passed BSR review, yet.

      8.6   SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status {Project 856-D} [Penokie]

George reported that SPI revision 6 was reviewed at the working group meeting
earlier this week.  He is working on revision 7.  He anticipates a forwarding
letter ballot in January (maybe November).  He requested prompt deliver of
promised written text for inclusion in revision 7.

      8.7   SCSI Common Access Method -3 (CAM-3) Status {Project 990-D} 
            [Dallas]

Bill reported that a first revision draft will be available in about a
month.  He will post that draft to the FTP site.

      8.8   SCSI-3 Generic Packetized Protocol (GPP) Status {Project 991-DT}
            [Stephens]

John reported that the first (and apparently only) public review on the GPP
technical report is September 15 -- November 14.  It will be designated X3/TR-
16-199x.

      8.9   SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status {Project 992-D} [Roberts]

Ron Roberts reported that SBP revision 20 will be in the next mailing.
The new SBP contains a complete description of isochronous transfers.  Ron
encouraged all interested persons to read the new isochronous material in the
new SBP draft.  He anticipated a forwarding vote for second public review at
the next plenary meeting.

      8.10  SCSI-3 Fiber Channel Protocol (FCP) Status {Project 993-D} 
            [Snively]

John reported that the second public review on FCP is September 29 -- November
28.

      8.11  SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status {Project 994-D} [Monia]

John reported that the second public review on SAM is October 13 -- December
12.

      8.12  SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status {Project 995-D} [Weber]

Ralph reported that no changes have been made in SPC since the July meeting.
He anticipated substantial changes as a result of this plenary and generation
of a revision 8 for the next mailing.

Concerns were raised about lack of a defined plan for getting the SPC in to
public review.

      8.13  SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) Status {Project 996-D} [Tewell]

      John reported that no progress has been made on SBC.  He described plans
to review the situation with the current technical editor.

      8.14  SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Lappin]

      Ted reported that the SSC/SMC working group discussed improvements on
the REPORT DENSITY command. Ted said that SSC revision 4 is available at the
meeting.

      8.15  SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) Status {Project 998-D} [Tewell]

John reported that not progress has been made on SGC.

      8.16  SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands (SMC) Status {Project 999-D} 
            [Oetting]

Erich reported that there will be some changes in the attached medium changer
model.

      8.17  SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) Status {Project 1047-D} [Penokie]

George reported that SCC will be in public review from October 13 until
December 12.

      8.18  Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]

Ron Roberts reported that MMC revision 3.0 will be included in the next
mailing.  He anticipated a letter ballot to forward to first public review
later this year.

      8.19  SCSI-3 Fast-20 Parallel Interface (Fast-20) {Project 1071-D} 
            [Lamers]

Duncan Penman moved that X3T10 recommend to X3 that Fast-20 revision 6a
be approved as editorial (not substantive) changes.  Charles Monia seconded
the motion.  The motion passed 28:0:0:25=53.

Larry Lamers moved that, upon receipt of the CD for Fast-20, X3T10
recommend that the CD be approved with addition of the editorial changes as
represented in Fast-20 revision 6a.  John Lohmeyer seconded the motion.  In a
roll call vote, the motion passed 34:0:0:19=53.  The details of the roll call
vote are as follows:

Organization                Stat Name                      Yes No Abs NP

3M Company                  A    Mr. Rick Heidick            1
Adaptec, Inc.               P    Mr. Norm Harris             1
Advanced Micro Devices                                                 1
Amdahl Corp.                P    Mr. Edward Fong             1
AMP, Inc.                   P    Mr. Charles Brill           1
Amphenol Interconnect                                                  1
Ancot Corp.                 P    Mr. Jan V. Dedek            1
Apple Computer              A    Mr. Ron Roberts             1
Burr-Brown Corp.                                                       1
BusLogic                                                               1
Ciprico Inc.                A    Mr. Raymond Gilson          1
Circuit Assembly Corp.      P    Mr. Ian Morrell             1
Cirrus Logic Inc.           P    Mr. Joe Chen                1
CMD Technology                                                         1
Congruent Software, Inc.    P    Mr. Peter Johansson         1
Conner Peripherals                                                     1
Dallas Semiconductor        P    Mr. Louis Grantham          1
Digital Equipment Corp.     P    Mr. Charles Monia           1
Eastman Kodak Co.           P    Mr. Robert Reisch           1
ENDL Associate              A#   Mr. Ralph O. Weber          1
Exabyte Corp.               P    Mr. Edward Lappin           1
FSI Consulting Services     P    Mr. Gary R. Stephens        1
Fujitsu Computer Prods Amer A#   Mr. Andy Chen               1
Hewlett Packard Co.         P    Mr. Stephen Holmstead       1
Hitachi Micro Systems, Inc.                                            1
Honda Connectors                                                       1
IBM Corp.                   P    Mr. George Penokie          1
IIX Consulting              P    Mr. Duncan Penman           1
Iomega Corp.                                                           1
Linfinity Micro             P    Mr. Dean Wallace            1
Madison Cable Corp.                                                    1
Maxtor Corp.                P    Mr. Pete McLean             1
Methode Electronics, Inc.                                              1
Molex Inc.                                                             1
NEC Technologies                                                       1
Oak Technology, Inc.                                                   1
Panasonic Technologies, Inc                                            1
QLogic Corp.                P    Mr. Skip Jones              1
Quantum Corp.               A    Mr. Edward A. Gardner       1
Seagate Technology          A    Mr. Gerald Houlder          1
Silicon Systems, Inc.                                                  1
Sony                        A#   Mr. Dick Scheel             1
Storage Technology Corp.    P    Mr. Erich Oetting           1
Sun Microsystems Computer C                                            1
Symbios Logic Inc.          P    Mr. John Lohmeyer           1
SyQuest Technology Corp.    A    Mr. Akram Atallah           1
Tandem Computers            P    Mr. John Moy                1
Thomas & Betts                                                         1
Trimm Technologies          P    Mr. Gary M. Watson          1
UNISYS Corporation          A    Mr. Arlan P. Stone          1
Unitrode Integrated Circuit P    Mr. Paul D. Aloisi          1
Western Digital Corporation A#   Mr. Tom Hanan               1
Woven Electronics                                                      1

                                                            34  0   0 19 = 53

      8.20  AT Attachment-3 Interface (ATA-3) Status {Project 2008-D} 
            [Milligan]

Pete McLean reported on the ATA-3 meeting held two weeks ago.  As a
result of the meeting, there will be an ATA-3 revision 4 document posted on
the FTP site within the next week.

Pete also reported on issues that the AT working group is considering
outside either ATA-3 or ATAPI.  He noted that cabling-plant issues will
continue to be handled at the X3T10 meeting week, because the right people are
present here.

      8.21  ATA Packet Interface (ATAPI) Status {Project 1120-D} [Milligan]

Tom Hanan reported that the ATAPI has been reviewed page-by-page.  A new
revision of ATAPI will be available in a few days.  Tom noted that five
technical issues need additional work to reach resolution.

      8.22  Systems Issues Study Group [Penman]

Duncan reported that both the ATA and SCSI working groups have approved
discontinuing regularly scheduled meetings for systems issues.  The SCSI-
related system issues will be dealt with in the general SCSI working group
meetings.

      8.23  SPI-2 Study Group [Ham/Aloisi]

Paul reported that a first pass at the SPI-2 document has been prepared.  The
draft document has attracted several negative comments at the working group
meetings earlier this week.  He reported that the low-voltage differential is
progressing well, but a comparison review with the new EIA standard is
necessary.  Both the SPI-2 and low-voltage differential documents will be in
the next mailing.

A SPI-2 LVDS meeting was scheduled for October 13th in Denver.

      8.24  High Availability Study Group [Sicola]

Charles Monia reported that a controller failover proposal is ready for
discussion in the November SCSI working group meeting.  Also, Doug Hagerman is
preparing a technical report covering a profile for high-availability for SCSI
systems.  A request has been made for another study group session to consider
the proposed technical report.

9.          Old Business

      9.1   Clarification of international program fee [Allan]

Dal Allan was not present.  John mentioned that Dal had told him that if the
X3 Secretariat attempts to terminate ENDL's membership for nonpayment of the
IPF, Dal will consider it discrimination against X3 members.  Further
consideration was deferred to the next plenary meeting.

      9.2   Addressability of TARGET RESET task management function (94-236r2)
             [Snively]

Action on this item was deferred to the next plenary meeting.

      9.3   Resolution of SCSI-3 SBP (0992-D) Public Review Comments

Ron Roberts stated that the public review comments for SBP have been resolved.
However, he also noted that the revised SBP document is not ready for
forwarding at this meeting.

10.         New Business

      10.1  Resolution of Public Review Comments (if any) on Fast-20

No action was required because Fast-20 received no public review comments.

      10.2  Resolution of Public Review Comments (if any) on ATA-2

No action was required because ATA-2 received no public review comments.

      10.3  Forwarding of Serial Bus Protocol - 2 (SBP-2) Project Proposal

Peter Johansson presented the project proposal for SBP-2 (95-311r0).  He
reviewed the planned work items for SBP-2.  Peter moved that X3T10 forward the
SBP-2 project proposal to X3 for further consideration.  Charles Monia
seconded the motion.  The motion passed 33:0:0:20=53.  John took an action
item to forward the SBP-2 project proposal to X3 for further consideration.

      10.4  Forwarding of PC Boot Considerations for Devices >8GB Technical 
            Report Project Proposal [Penman]

John Lohmeyer described several corrections to the PC Boot Considerations
project proposal (95-298r0) project proposal which resulted in rev 1,.  He
described the corrections as mostly editorial and intended to insure smooth
passage through OMC and X3 approval.  A couple additional editorial
corrections were noted by those present.  Duncan Penman moved that X3T10
forward the PC Boot Considerations for Devices >8 GByte Technical Report
project proposal, as revised, to X3 for further consideration.  Peter
Johansson seconded the motion.  The motion passed 29:1:0:23=53.  No reason was
stated for the negative vote.  John took an action item to forward the revised
PC Boot Considerations project proposal to X3 for further consideration.

      10.5  Should Prevent Allow Medium Removal be Placed in SPC? [Lappin]

Ted Lappin described a problem with the PREVENT ALLOW MEDIUM REMOVAL command.
He felt that the command belongs in the SPC instead of the SBC.  Ted moved
that the PREVENT ALLOW MEDIUM REMOVAL command be placed solely in the SPC.
Gary Stephens seconded the motion.  The motion passed 26:0:0:27=53.

      10.6  Log Page & Parameters for SSC (95-304r1) [Stone]

Arlan Stone reviewed working group changes in the proposal to add a sequential-
access log page for cleaning and data compression ratio information.  On
behalf of the working group, Arlan moved that 95-304r1 be accepted for
inclusion in the SSC.  The motion passed 27:0:0:26=53.

      10.7  Software Write Protect Bit Location in SSC (95-318r1) [Stone]

Arlan Stone presented a proposal that the software write protect bit be placed
in the device configuration mode page. On behalf of the working group, Arlan
moved that 95-318r1 be accepted for inclusion in the SSC.  The motion passed
27:0:0:26=53.

      10.8  Report Density Command (95-224r5) [Lappin]

Ted Lappin briefly reviewed 95-224r5.  On behalf of the working group, Ted
moved that 95-224r5 be accepted for inclusion in the SSC.  The motion passed
27:0:0:26=53.

      10.9  REPORT LUNs Command (95-253r3) [Weber]

Ralph Weber briefly reviewed 95-253r3.  On behalf of the working group, Ralph
moved that 95-253r3 be accepted for inclusion in the SPC.  The motion passed
27:0:0:26=53.

      10.10 Disconnect/Reconnect Mode Page (95-208r3) [Gardner]

Ed Gardner briefly reviewed 95-208r3.  On behalf of the working group, Ed
moved that 95-208r3 be accepted for inclusion in the SPC and SIP.  The motion
passed 28:0:0:25=53.

      10.11 Informational Exceptions Control Mode Page (95-323r1) [Houlder]

Gerry Houlder briefly reviewed 95-323r1.  On behalf of the working group,
Gerry moved that 95-323r1 be accepted for inclusion in the SPC.  The motion
passed 22:0:0:31=53.

11.         ISO Report [Milligan]

Gene Milligan, the X3T10 International Representative, was unable to attend
but provided the following written electronic report (parts of which were read
by John Lohmeyer):

                                  ISO Report
                               14 September 1995
                                       
The principal ISO items to report concern SCSI documents submitted and FDDI
CDs issued.

IR 95010 8/21/95 submitted the final, final text (IEC 9482 and publishers
comments) for ISO/IEC 9316:1995.

The following CD contributions were submitted:

      IR 95011     8/21/95            SCC Revision 6
      IR 95012     8/21/95            SPI Revision 15a
      IR 95013     8/21/95            SCSI Fast-20 Revision 6

The SC 25 letter ballot SC 25 N238 has been issued for CD 9314-9 FDDI LCF-PMD
Revision 2.2 with a SC 25 closing date of 10/15/95.

The SC 25 letter ballot SC 25 N246 has been issued for CD 9314-25 FDDI SMT-ATS
with a SC 25 closing date of 1/31/96.

      11.1  X3T10 Recommendation Regarding Continuation of the International 
            ESDI Project [Milligan]

Larry Lamers moved X3T10 instruct the IR to take the necessary actions to
discontinue further processing of the ESDI project as an international
standard.  Erich Oetting seconded the motion.  John Lohmeyer noted that only
representatives of U.S. domiciled companies may vote on motions regarding
international standards activities.  The motion passed 30:0:0:23=53.

      11.2  ISO NWIs for ATA, ATAPI, and CAM [Milligan]

Larry Lamers moved that X3T10 instruct the IR to generate and submit NWIs for
ATA, ATAPI, and CAM; and, upon receipt of the NWIs, he should forward the NWIs
to X3 with a recommendation to vote favorably on each NWI.  Charles Brill
seconded the motion.  John Lohmeyer noted that only representatives of U.S.
domiciled companies may vote on motions regarding international standards
activities.  The motion passed 28:0:0:25=53.

12.         Liaison Reports

      12.1  X3T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]

Roger gave an oral report and provided the following written report.

X3T11 LIAISON REPORT to X3T10 & X3T12

X3T11 met on August 9, 1995 with 76 people in attendance. No member
organizations were in jeopardy for failure to attend meetings, return letter
ballots or pay fees. E-Systems were reinstated following the payment of fees,
Vitesse and W.L.Gore were added as new member organizations. The membership of
X3T11 is now 62 organizations.

The results of two X3T11 LBs were announced. The Letter Ballot on FC-AL (Rev
4.5) for an OMC review and a second Public Review if necessary passed with F43-
O00-DNV16 (1 For ballot included comments). The Letter Ballot on the 10 bit
Interface Technical Report for further processing including an OMC Compliance
Review and a first Public Review passed with F43-O02-DNV16 (4 For ballots
included comments). As a result, FC-AL Rev 4.5 was passed to the Secretariat,
and the 10 bit Interface Technical Report will be further edited.

A decision is still awaited on the conversion of Project 1117-DT (HIPPI
Serial) to 1117-D. It could not be determined if this item had been considered
at the July OMC meeting. A Letter Ballot was authorized on HIPPI Serial,
Revision 1.5, for further processing as a standard.

It was noted that HIPPI-FC has been assigned X3.283-199x.

X3T11 was unable to agree on a collective noun to represent all possible types
of FC interconnection mechanism, and thus the term fabric will be retained for
the present.

Dialog is continuing with IBM on release of the tools necessary to continue
development of the FC Implementation Guide. A Technical Editor is still being
solicited for this project.

A draft for the FC Link Encapsulation project (FC-LE, Rev 0.92) was reviewed
in detail in an Ad Hoc meeting before the Plenary. A Letter Ballot was
authorized in the event that some outstanding comments on the current draft
can be resolved before the end of August.

A X3T11 Letter Ballot on a Project Proposal for an FC Private Loop Direct
Attached Technical Report was authorized.
It was announced that the Single Byte Command Code Sets Connection (SBCON)
project had finally be approved and assigned project number 1132-D.

X3T11 also voted to levy a meeting fee of $25 per day for attendance at the
December X3T11 meetings for those not registered in the ANSI/ENDL block at the
Clarion Hotel in San Diego. The fee is necessary because of the exceptional
circumstances involved in holding a co-located meeting with a major trade show
(Supercomputing `95).

The next meeting of X3T11 is on October 4, 1995 the Crowne Plaza Toronto
Centre Hotel, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. The phone number for the hotel is
(416) 597-1400. The cutoff date for reservations is September 2. Special
interim Ad Hoc meetings were authorized for Seattle, WA on September 6 & 7 for
FC Avionics Environment, and for Dallas, TX on September 15 for Jitter Study
and further editing work on the 10 bit Interface TR.

      12.2  SFF Industry Group [Allan]

No report.

      12.3  IEEE P1394 [Marazas]

Peter Johansson reported that IEEE P1394 is going to a second letter ballot
review.  He anticipated that the ballot will close before the end of the year.

      12.4  IEEE P1285 Status [Pak]

Larry Lamers described the current status of the P1285 ballot review.

      12.5  PCMCIA Report [McLean]

Pete McLean reported that the PC card meeting had a single agenda item,
feedback from the HDA-3 group.  He noted that there is almost no activity in
the SCSI-PCMCIA group.  Pete suggested that interested parties should be
showing-up with a willingness to work, or the project will see no further
progress.

13.         Review of Action Items

84)   George Penokie will prepare a document (probably a technical report)
describing the SPI fairness
      algorithm.
97)   Alan Olsen will review the REPORT DENSITY proposal with QIC.
116)  Rick Tewell will document the usage of the 0Dh mode page code in SBC as
per the
      wishes of X3T10 expressed in item 10.6 of the meeting #10 minutes.
118)  Charles Monia will draft a SAM-2 project proposal.
119)  John Lohmeyer will forward the SBP-2 project proposal to X3 for further
consideration.
120)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised PC Boot Considerations project
proposal to X3 for
      further consideration.
121)  John Lohmeyer will add a working group agenda item to discuss how the
SPC document
      can be brought expeditiously to public review.
122)  Peter Johansson will obtain an IEEE organizationally unique identifier
for use in SBP
      conforming devices.

14.         Meeting Schedule

The next plenary meeting of X3T10 will be November 9, 1995, in Palm Springs,
CA, at the Hyatt Regency Suites (619-322-9000), hosted by Western Digital
Corp.  The meeting will begin at 1:00 p.m. on Thursday.

The meeting list for the next plenary week is:

                           November '95 Meeting Map

Monday 11/6        9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===============================+
                   | SPI-2 Study Group             |                  (35)
                   +===============+===============+
                                   |High Avail. SG |                  (10)
                                   +===============+

Tuesday 11/7       9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   | EPI SG        | SCSI-3 WG                 |      (40)
                   +===============+===============+===========+
                   |  CAM-3 WG     | SBP WG        |                  (10)
                   +===============+===============+

Wednesday 11/8     9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   | SCSI-3 WG                                 |      (40)
                   +===============+===========================+
                                   | MMC Working Group |              (20)
                   +===============+===================+
                   |SFF Form Factor| SFF/VHDCI WG      |              (40)
                   +---------------+-------------------+

Thursday 11/9      9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9
                   +---------------+===============================+
                   |  SFF          | X3T10 Plenary                 |  (40/70)
                   +===============+===============================+
                   |  SSC/SMC WG   |                                  (10)
                   +===============+

Friday 11/10   8   9   10  11  12

                   (No meetings planned for Friday)

    Meetings marked with == are X3T10-authorized meetings.
    Meetings marked with -- are authorized by other groups and may change
    without notice.

Meeting Map Abbreviation Key:
1394TA:           1394 Trade Association
ATA:              AT Attachment (a.k.a. IDE)
ATA-2:            ATA Extensions
ATA-3:            Third Generation ATA
ATAPI:            ATA Packet Interface
CAM:              Common Access Method
CAM-3:            Next generation CAM for SCSI-3 (was called CAM-2)
EPI:              SCSI Enhanced Parallel Interface (Technical Report)
Fast-20:          Synchronous Data Transfer at 20 Megatransfers/second
FC-AL:            Fibre Channel - Arbitrated Loop (an X3T11 project)
I/F:              Interface
High Avail.:      High Availability
LB:               Letter Ballot
MMC:              SCSI-3 Multimedia Commands (CD-ROM)
P1394:            IEEE Project on High Performance Serial Bus (not an X3
                  activity)
PH:               Physical (Connectors, Cables, Transceivers, etc.)
Plenary:          Full Committee Meeting
RAB:              RAID Advisory Board (not an X3 activity)
RAID:             Redundant Array of Independent Devices
SCC:              SCSI-3 Controller Commands (RAID)
SCSI:             Small Computer System Interface
SFF:              SFF Industry Group (not an X3 activity)
SG:               Study Group
SMC:              SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands
SPI-2:            Second Generation SCSI-3 Parallel Interface
SSA:              Serial Storage Interface
SSC:              SCSI-3 Stream Commands (includes Tape)
SSP:              Serial Storage Protocol (Protocol for SSA)
Stor:             Storage
UIG:              User Interest Group (not an X3 activity)
VHDCI             Very High Density Cabled Interconnect
WG:               Working Group (same as Ad Hoc Group)
X3T10:            Lower Level Interfaces Technical Committee (was X3T9.2)
X3T10.1:          SSA Task Group of X3T10 (was X3T9.7)

Several other X3T10 events are also planned:

Event                Day/Date      Time     Location/contact
-------------------- -----------   -------- ----------------------------------
----
SPI-2 LVDS WG        Fr 10/13      9 am     Denver, Stouffer's / Lohmeyer
SPI-2 LVDS WG        Fr 12/15      9 am     San Jose / McGrath
MMC Working Group    We 10/4-5     9 am     San Jose / Roberts
ATA Working Group    Tu 9/19-22    9 am     Crown Sterling Suites
Milpitas/McGrath
ATA Working Group    Tu 10/17-20   9 am     Phoenix in Irvine, CA / Stevens
ATA Working Group    Tu 11/28-12/1 9 am     WD in Irvine, CA / Hanan

For more information about X3T10 activities, please contact the following
people:

Activity                     Contact        Telephone/Email
---------------------------- -------------- ------------------------------
ATA-2                        Steve Finch    (714) 573-6808
                                            steve.finch at tus.ssi1.com
ATA-3 & ATAPI                Gene Milligan  (405) 324-3070
                                            Gene_Milligan at notes.seagate.com
CAM & CAM-3                  Bill Dallas    (603) 881-2508
                                            dallas at wasted.enet.dec.com
FCP                          Robert Snively (415) 336-5332
                                            Bob.Snively at eng.sun.com
GPP                          Gary Stephens  (602) 321-1725
                                            6363897 at mcimail.com
SAM                          Charles Monia  (508) 841-6757
                                            monia at starch.enet.dec.com
SBC and SGC                  Thomas Tewell  (415) 459-7978
                                            thomas.tewell at seqadvtech.com
SBP and MMC                  Ron Roberts    (916) 677-5714
                                            rkroberts at aol.com
SIP, SCC                     George Penokie (507) 253-5208
                                            gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
SMC                          Erich Oetting  (303) 673-2178
                                            Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
SPC                          Ralph Weber    (603) 881-1497
                                            roweber at acm.org
SPI,Fast-20,& SSA-xxx        Larry Lamers   (408) 957-7817
                                            ljlamers at aol.com
SSA-S2P & -S3P               John Scheible  (512) 823-8208
                                            Scheible at vnet.ibm.com
SSC                          Edward Lappin  (303) 447-7718
                                            tedl at exabyte.com
System Issues                Duncan Penman  (408) 730-2565
                                            penman at netcom.com
Other Activities             John Lohmeyer  (719) 573-3362
                                            john.lohmeyer at symbios.com

The long-term X3T10 meeting week schedule is:

Date              Location                   Host/Comments
--------------- ------------------------       --------------------------
Jan  8-12, 1996   Dallas, TX                 Quantum
Mar 11-15, 1996   Newport Beach, CA          QLogic
May  6-10, 1996   Ft. Lauderdale, FL         Adaptec
Jul 15-19, 1996   Colorado Springs, CO       Symbios Logic
Sep  9-13, 1996   Natick, MA (near Boston)   Digital
Nov  4- 8, 1996   Palm Springs, CA           Western Digital
Jan  6-10, 1997                              Approved Date
Mar 10-14, 1997                              Approved Date
May  5-9,  1997                              Approved Date
Jul 14-18, 1997                              Approved Date
Sep  8-12, 1997                              Approved Date
Nov  3-7,  1997                              Approved Date

John Lohmeyer moved that the 1997 dates listed above be accepted as the X3T10
meeting week and plenary dates for 1997.  Norm Harris seconded the motion.
The motion passed 30:0:0:23=53.

John asked that volunteers to host 1997 meeting contact him with their
proposed venues and months.  He will schedule a vote for the November plenary
meeting.

      14.1  Authorization of Working Group Meetings

John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under the
same voting procedures as does X3T10 (that is, one vote per organization) and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee.  This
later requirement is why we have traditionally only used non-binding straw
polls in working group meetings.  Any issue where the voting rules would make
a difference should be deferred to the plenary group.  Nonetheless, task
groups and ad hoc groups should strive to achieve consensus prior to bringing
issues to X3T10.

In the absence of any objection, X3T10 authorized the X3T10-related meetings
and events in the list above.

      14.2  RAB Letter

John reported that he had received another letter from the RAB.  John noted
that he had responded to the letter and offered RAB the opportunity to attend
this meeting and discuss their issues.  No one from the RAB was in attendance.

15.         Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 5:13 p.m. on Thursday September 14, 1995, the
earliest hour of adjournment in X3T10 history.

                      Meeting Attendees -- Enclosure (1)

         Name          S        Organization         Electronic Mail Address
---------------------- -- ------------------------- -------------------------
Mr. Rick Heidick       A  3M Company                rdheidick at mmm.com
Mr. Norm Harris        P  Adaptec, Inc.             nharris at eng.adaptec.com
Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers A# Adaptec, Inc.             ljlamers at aol.com
Mr. Edward Fong        P  Amdahl Corp.              esf10 at amail.amdahl.com
Mr. Charles Brill      P  AMP, Inc.                 cebrill at amp.com
Mr. Jan V. Dedek       P  Ancot Corp.               dedek at ancot.com
Mr. Ron Roberts        A  Apple Computer            rkroberts at aol.com
Mr. Douglas Wagner     O  Berg Electronics
Mr. Raymond Gilson     A  Ciprico Inc.              rwg at ciprico.com
Mr. Ian Morrell        P  Circuit Assembly Corp.    crctassmbl at aol.com
Mr. Joe Chen           P  Cirrus Logic Inc.         chen at cirrus.com
Mr. Peter Johansson    P  Congruent Software, Inc.  pjohansson at aol.com
Mr. Paul Entzel        O  Conner                    paul.entzel at conner.com
Mr. Louis Grantham     P  Dallas Semiconductor      grantham at dalsemi.com
Mr. Charles Monia      P  Digital Equipment Corp.   monia at shr.dec.com
Mr. William Dallas     A# Digital Equipment Corp.   dallas at wasted.enet.dec.
                                                    com
Dr. William Ham        A# Digital Equipment Corp.   ham at subsys.enet.dec.com
Mr. Ed Quiet           V  Digital Equipment Corp.   quiet at shr.dec.com
Mr. Robert Reisch      P  Eastman Kodak Co.         reisch at sector.kodak.com
Mr. Ralph O. Weber     A# ENDL Associate            roweber at acm.org
Mr. Edward Lappin      P  Exabyte Corp.             tedl at exabyte.com
Mr. Gary R. Stephens   P  FSI Consulting Services   6363897 at mcimail.com
Mr. Andy Chen          A# Fujitsu Computer Prods    achen at fcpa.fujitsu.com
                          Amer
Mr. Stephen Holmstead  P  Hewlett Packard Co.       stephen at mail.boi.hp.com
Mr. J. R. Sims         A# Hewlett Packard Co.       robsims at depeche.lvld.hp.
                                                    com
Mr. Anthony Yang       A# Hitachi America Ltd.      yang_a at halsp.hitachi.com
Mr. Zane Daggett       A# Hitachi Cable             74354.2576 at compuserve.com
                          Manchester,Inc
Mr. Thomas J. Kulesza  A  Honda Connectors
Mr. George Penokie     P  IBM Corp.                 gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Dan Colegrove      A# IBM Corp.                 colegrove at vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Duncan Penman      P  IIX Consulting            penman at netcom.com
Mr. Dean Wallace       P  Linfinity Micro           75671.3443 at compuserve.com
Mr. Robert Bellino     P  Madison Cable Corp.
Mr. Pete McLean        P  Maxtor Corp.              pete_mclean at maxtor.com
Mr. Bob Masterson      P  Methode Electronics, Inc. rwmast at aol.com
Mr. Jay Neer           A  Molex Inc.                jneer at molex.com
Mr. Chris D'Iorio      P  NEC Technologies          CD-iorio at nectech.com
Dr. Akira James Miura  A  Panasonic Technologies,   miura at tadw.research.
                          Inc                       panasonic.com
Mr. Skip Jones         P  QLogic Corp.              sk_jones at qlc.com
Mr. Edward A. Gardner  A  Quantum Corp.             gardner at acm.org
Mr. Gerald Houlder     A  Seagate Technology        Gerry_Houlder at notes.
                                                    seagate.com
Mr. Dick Scheel        A# Sony                      dicks at lsi.sel.sony.com
Mr. Erich Oetting      P  Storage Technology Corp.  Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
Mr. Roger Cummings     A  Storage Technology Corp.  Roger_Cummings at Stortek.
                                                    com
Mr. John Lohmeyer      P  Symbios Logic Inc.        john.lohmeyer at symbios.com
Mr. Akram Atallah      A  SyQuest Technology Corp.  akram.atallah at syquest.com
Mr. John Moy           P  Tandem Computers          moy_john at tandem.com
Mr. Gary M. Watson     P  Trimm Technologies        trimm at netcom.com
Mr. Arlan P. Stone     A  UNISYS Corporation        arlan.stone at mv.unisys.com
Mr. Paul D. Aloisi     P  Unitrode Integrated       Aloisi at uicc.com
                          Circuits
Mr. Matt Thomas        A  Unitrode Integrated       thomas at uicc.com
                          Circuits
Mr. Francesco Liburdi  O  Wearnsi Hollingsworth
Mr. Tom Hanan          A# Western Digital           hanan_t at a1.wdc.com
                          Corporation
Mr. Doug Piper         P  Woven Electronics         549.9900 at mcimail.com

54 People Present

Status Key:  P    -  Principal
             A,A# -  Alternate
             O    -  Observer
             L    -  Liaison
             V    -  Visitor




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