Draft minutes X3T10 Meeting #12 -- 11/9/95

Lohmeyer, John JLOHMEYE at cosmpdaero.ftcollinsco.ncr.com
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Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #12 in Palm Springs, CA        X3T10/95-343r0

Accredited Standards Committee*
X3, Information Technology
                                                   Doc. No.: X3T10/95-343r0
                                                       Date: November 12, 1995
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To:           Membership of X3T10

From:         Ralph Weber, Secretary X3T10
              John Lohmeyer, Chair X3T10

Subject:      Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #12
              Palm Springs, CA -- November 9, 1995


                                       Agenda

1. Opening Remarks

2. Approval of Agenda

3. Attendance and Membership

4. Approval of Minutes - September Meeting Bedford, NH (X3T10/95-325r1)

5. Document Distribution

6. Call for Patents

7. Review of Old Action Items

8. Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports
   8.1 Project Status Summary and X3/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]
   8.2 X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Hallam]
   8.3 SCSI Common Access Method (CAM) {Project 792-D} [Dallas]
   8.4 ATA Extensions (ATA-2) Status {Project 948-D} [Finch]
   8.5 SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status {Project 855-D} [Lamers]
   8.6 SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status {Project 856-D} [Penokie]
   8.7  SCSI  Common  Access  Method  -3 (CAM-3)  Status  {Project  990-D}
      [Dallas]
   8.8  SCSI-3  Generic Packetized Protocol (GPP) Status {Project  991-DT}
      [Stephens]
   8.9 SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status {Project 992-D} [Roberts]
   8.10  SCSI-3  Fiber  Channel  Protocol  (FCP)  Status  {Project  993-D}
      [Snively]
   8.11 SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status {Project 994-D} [Monia]
   8.12 SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status {Project 995-D} [Weber]
   8.13 SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) Status {Project 996-D} [Tewell]
   8.14 SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Lappin]
   8.15 SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) Status {Project 998-D} [Tewell]
   8.16  SCSI-3  Medium  Changer  Commands (SMC)  Status  {Project  999-D}
      [Oetting]
   8.17 SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) Status {Project 1047-D} [Penokie]
   8.18 Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]
   8.19  SCSI-3  Fast-20  Parallel  Interface (Fast-20)  {Project  1071-D}
      [Lamers]
   8.20   AT   Attachment-3  Interface  (ATA-3)  Status  {Project  2008-D}
      [Milligan]
   8.21 ATA Packet Interface (ATAPI) Status {Project 1120-D} [Milligan]
   8.22 SPI-2 Study Group [Ham/Aloisi]
   8.23 High Availability Study Group [Sicola]
   8.24 Boot Considerations Project [Penman]
   8.25 EPI Study Group [Ham]

9. Old Business
   9.1 Clarification of international program fee [Allan]
   9.2  Addressability of TARGET RESET task management function (94-236r2)
      [Snively]
   9.3  Resolution  of  SCSI-3  SBP (0992-D) Public  Review  Comments  and
      Forwarding to 2PR

10. New Business
   10.1 Resolution of 2PR comments (if any) on FCP
   10.2 Resolution of 2PR comments (if any) on SAM
   10.3 Resolution of 2PR comments (if any) on SCC
   10.4 Actions on Working Group Recommendations
   10.5   Recommendation   to   X3  regarding  management   of   an   IEEE
      Organizational Unique Identifier [Johansson]
   10.6 SAM-2 Project Proposal (95-333) [Monia]

11. ISO
   11.1 ISO Report [Milligan]
   11.2 ISO New Business

12. Liaison Reports
   12.1 X3T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]
   12.2 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
   12.3 IEEE P1394 [Marazas]
   12.4 IEEE P1285 Status [Pak]
   12.5 PCMCIA Report [McLean]
   12.6 Report on SCSI Industry Association Meeting

13. Review of Action Items

14. Meeting Schedule
   14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings

15. Adjournment




                              Results of Meeting

1.          Opening Remarks

John Lohmeyer, the X3T10 Chair, called the meeting to order at 1:03 p.m.,
Thursday November 9, 1995.  He thanked Jeff Stai of Western Digital Corp. for
hosting the meeting.

John said that X3 Subgroup Membership forms and the X3T10 Mailing Subscription
form were available on the document table.  He said that people should use the
X3 forms to insure the X3 Secretariat has the latest membership information.
These forms should be mailed directly to the X3 Secretariat.

As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves and a copy of the
attendance list was circulated.  Copies of the draft agenda and general
information on X3T10 were made available to those attending.

2.          Approval of Agenda

The draft agenda was approved with the following additions and changes:

      8.24 Boot Considerations Project [Penman]
      8.25 EPI Study Group [Ham]
      10.6 SAM-2 Project Proposal (95-333) [Monia]
      11. ISO
      11.1 ISO Report [Milligan]
      11.2 ISO New Business

3.          Attendance and Membership

The membership requirements were reviewed.  X3 rules permit one vote per
organization.  An individual from a new organization must attend two out of
three consecutive plenary meetings.  He/she may apply for voting membership
the second meeting via a letter to the Chair of X3T10.  The individual may
vote at the second plenary meeting.  Working group meetings do not count
toward attendance requirements.

Organizations must also pay the X3 Service Fee ($300) to maintain membership.
The International Program Fee ($300) is billed separately directly from ANSI.

The Chair said he had sent letters to 12 people from 6 organizations informing
them that their membership was in jeopardy due to non-attendance (see 95-
039r0) and that their membership would be terminated if they did not attend
this meeting.  All organizations were represented at this meeting except:
Burr-Brown Corp.

This organization was `terminated' (that is, the principal was changed to
observer and the first alternate was dropped).  No organizations joined X3T10
at the meeting.

John announced that the X3 Secretariat has instructed him to remove 22 people
including the following 9 people that were in his attendance database from
X3T10 based on failure to pay the international program fee:

Dal Allan           ENDL
Bill Galloway       Compaq
Ray Kaillio         Harbor Electronics
Gerald Marazas      IBM
Christian Mollard   Bull S.A.
Robbie Shergill     National Semiconductor
Scott Smyers        Sony
Dave Weber          Cirrus Logic
Mark Woithe         Adaptec (Future Domain)

John announced that while several of these people are P or A members, someone
|from each of the affected organizations had paid the international program
fee.  Therefore, no organizations were removed entirely from the voting rolls.

The X3T10 membership is now at 52 (*) organizations down from 53 organizations
last time.  Enclosure (1) is the list of the people present at the meeting and
enclosure (2) is the current X3T10 membership list.

(*) No one was present from Thomas & Betts at this point in the meeting.  A
new representative was present later in the meeting (discovered from the sign-
in sheet).  This meant that for most of the meeting, the total membership was
assumed to be 51 organizations.

Gary Stephens made the following motion:

The members of this committee demand that X3 investigate and respond to
concerns expressed over the levying of the IPF (International Program Fee).
Until such time as such action is taken, the members of this committee shall
oppose the removal of the nine people listed above as members for a number of
reasons:

      - Correspondence on this subject has been continuing for two years with
      no response from ANSI or X3.
      - Only X3 levies the IPF on the basis of participation in American
      Standards activities and this is an international fee.
      - X3T10, X3T11, X3T12 (and pending X3T13) committee members participate
      in only one international activity.
      - Documentation indicating that other standards secretariats levy the
      fee on the basis of individual participation, not committee
      participation.

It was further moved that the removal of the nine people listed above as the
members of X3T10 be suspended until the listed concerns are addressed.

Skip Jones seconded the motion.

The motion was discussed at length.  Very little was said favoring the current
fee structure.  Claims were made that IEEE collects the fee only on a
individual participation basis and then only using an honor system.  This lead
to charges that X3 is financing IEEE international activities.  John suggested
that such claims were speculative, at best.  Ed Gardner suggested that very
little benefit is derived from international participation.  Skip Jones
suggested that X3T10 end its international participation and thus end payment
of the fee.

John noted that he will not honor the requirement of the motion to reinstate
the members.  He stated that the SD-2 (X3 rules) give him no leeway regarding
terminations for non-payment of fees.  Despite this, the demands for John to
ignore the X3 Secretariat were repeated several times.

The motion passed 39:0:0:12=51.

4.    Approval of Minutes - September Meeting Bedford, NH (X3T10/95-325r1)

The minutes were approved as written.

5.          Document Distribution

Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Katrina Gray (kgray at itic.nw.dc.us) or Dan Arnold
(darnold at itic.nw.dc.us) at (202) 626-5741.

John announced that the 1996 Mailing Subscription Fees (for paper mailings)
will go up $60 to $470 U.S. and $900 international.

Larry Lamers requested that all documents for the next mailing be in his hands
by 10:30 a.m. on Thursday November 16, 1995. Documents received after this
time will go into a subsequent mailing.

Larry Lamers reminded the committee of the requirements for document
submission to be included in the committee mailing.  Since X3T10 meets its
document archiving requirements by including the X3 Secretariat on the mailing
list, documents included in the mailing must be suitable for archiving.  This
means that high-quality, single-sided originals with adequate margins and
proper identification must be submitted.  Document X3T10/95-147 contains the
list of requirements for submissions.  Document X3T10/95-361r0 contains
instructions for expeditious delivery of documents to Larry.

In keeping with the X3T10 committee's new efforts for electronic document
filing and distribution, Larry requested that electronic copies of all
documents, in their native format, be made available to him.  The electronic
copies can be emailed directly to Larry (at ljlamers at corp.adaptec.com), placed
on the SCSI BBS (719-574-0424), or they can be ftp'd to ftp.symbios.com and
placed in the /pub/standards/io/incoming directory.  In the latter two cases,
please also send an email to Larry (at ljlamers at aol.com) informing him of the
exact file name and location of the file.

As usual, minutes are also available on the SCSI BBS (719-574-0424) and will
be distributed to the ATA and SCSI Reflectors.  To be added to the ATA
Reflector, send an email to majordomo at dt.wdc.com with the line 'subscribe ata'
in the message body.  To subscribe to the SCSI Reflector, send an electronic
message to: scsi-request at symbios.com and include your mailing address in the
message body.  The X3 Secretariat maintains a World Wide Web page at
http://www.x3.org.  Symbios Logic maintains a World Wide Web page on behalf of
X3T10 at http://www.symbios.com/x3t10.

The current document register is enclosure (3).

6.          Call for Patents

This is a regular agenda item to identify any potential patent issues with
developing standards.

John reported that Micropolis and Compaq have not responded to the letters he
sent following the March and May meetings, respectively.

Gene Milligan reported the receipt of a draft document from the Compaq
attorney regarding the Compaq patent policy.  Gene noted that the document is
marked attorney-client confidential, so he simply reviewed the contents of the
document.  Gene described two issues that he is negotiating regarding the
Compaq correspondence.  One issue was lack of coverage for the security
features patents.  Also, another clause might be subject to misinterpretation.

A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge.  Annex I contains
the ANSI patent policy.

7.          Review of Old Action Items

84)   George Penokie will prepare a document (probably a technical report)
describing the SPI fairness
      algorithm.  Dropped
97)   Alan Olsen will review the REPORT DENSITY proposal with QIC.  Dropped
116)  Rick Tewell will document the usage of the 0Dh mode page code in SBC as
per the
      wishes of X3T10 expressed in item 10.6 of the meeting #10 minutes.
Carryover
118)  Charles Monia will draft a SAM-2 project proposal.  Complete
119)  John Lohmeyer will forward the SBP-2 project proposal to X3 for further
consideration.  Complete
120)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised PC Boot Considerations project
proposal to X3 for
      further consideration.  Complete
121)  John Lohmeyer will add a working group agenda item to discuss how the
SPC document
      can be brought expeditiously to public review.  Complete
122)  Peter Johansson will obtain an IEEE organizationally unique identifier
for use in SBP
      conforming devices.  Complete

8.          Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports

      8.1   Project Status Summary and X3/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]

John said that the current X3T10 project status summary was included on the
backs of the meeting agendas and will be included in the mailing as usual.  He
noted that the status of several projects changed on Monday of this week and
announced the new project numbers assigned.

The recommendation to establish a new Technical Committee for ATA passed
23:0:0:4.  The organizational meeting for X3T13 will probably occur in
January; a press release will be issued.

      8.2   X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Hallam]

Ken Hallam reported that the following X3T10.1 meetings were held since the
last X3T10 Plenary: September 25, 1995 Denver, CO - Electrical WG; Oct. 30
thru Nov. 1, 1995 Hampshire, UK - General WG; Nov. 1, 1995 Hampshire, UK -
Plenary.  X3T10.1 has 25 Principle Members, 14 of whom attended Plenary in UK.

X3T10.1 work has been devoted to PH1, TL1, S2P.  X3T10.1 received 23 new
proposals: 2 PH1 proposals, 14 TL1 proposals, and 7 S2P proposals.  Seven
proposals were deferred to second generation documents.  Ken reported the
following change activities:     new designs, more initiator participation,
incremental experience, and clarification.  No votes were taken to forward
drafts to letter ballot because of need to: update drafts with proposals for
member review, incorporate changes and look for "ripple effect", and prepare
updated drafts slated for 11/15 mailing.

Ken announced that planned draft reviews and votes are scheduled for the
December meeting. Letter ballots could close in January 96.  Letter ballot
comments would then be processed at the February meeting.  Ken announced that
the following second generation (40 MB links, speed negotiation) work has
begun: PH2 and TL2.

Ken announced the following long term meeting schedule:
      Week        Location                 Host
      12/11/95     Milpitas, CA             VLSI
      2/26/96      Lake Tahoe, CA            Samsung
      4/29/96      Burlington, VT                  IBM
      6/24/96      St. Petersburg Beach, FL  AMP
      8/26/96      Ft. Collins, CO                 Symbios Logic
      10/30/96     San Jose, CA             Adaptec *
      12/9/96      Hawaii                         IBM *
      * = Tentative locations.
      
Ken announced the following X3T10.1 approved WG Meetings:
      X3T10.1 SSA Working Group - December 11-13, 1995 in Milpitas, CA.
      X3T10.1 SSA2 Working Group - January 17-18, 1996 in Havant, UK.

      8.3   SCSI Common Access Method (CAM) {Project 792-D} [Dallas]

John reported that the letter ballot for approval of CAM closes November 17th.
Bill Dallas reported that he has received no other communications on CAM.

      8.4   ATA Extensions (ATA-2) Status {Project 948-D} [Finch]

Gene Milligan gave a report on the meeting of the ATA Working Group:

<<< insert Gene's electronic report when received.>>>

Gene Milligan moved that X3T10 accept the recommendations of the ATA Ad Hoc.
Larry Lamers seconded the motion.  The motion passed unanimously.  Larry
Lamers took an action item to conduct a letter ballot for forwarding ATA-3 to
first public review.

Pete McLean moved that X3T10 authorize the expenditure of up to $1,200 for
inclusion of the ANSI edits for ATA-2 revision 3 (producing ATA-2 revision
3a).  Steve Finch seconded the motion.  The vote passed 26:0:0:25=51.

      8.5   SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status {Project 855-D} [Lamers]

      John reported that SPI is in the process of being published at ANSI.
Since the last meeting, the Larry and John have been notified of three errors
in SPI.  John described the errors in general terms.  John described
the process by which an amendment correcting SPI will be developed and
approved.

      Gary Stephens moved that the SPI editor be authorized to prepare an
amendment to SPI to correct the errors identified in document X3T10/95-356 to
be distributed for letter ballot and that the corrections be forward to the
SPI-2 technical editor for incorporation therein.  Peter Johansson seconded
the motion.  The motion passed 26:0:0:25=51.

      8.6   SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status {Project 856-D} [Penokie]

George Penokie moved that X3T10 authorize a letter ballot for forwarding of
SIP revision 8 to first public review.  Skip Jones seconded the motion.
George stated that SIP has been relatively stable for a couple of revisions.
There were no dissenting options expressed.

The motion passed 26:0:0:25=51.

      8.7   SCSI Common Access Method -3 (CAM-3) Status {Project 990-D} 
            [Dallas]

      Bill reported on the results of the CAM-3 Working Group meeting.
Minutes of the meeting can be found in document 95-354.

      8.8   SCSI-3 Generic Packetized Protocol (GPP) Status {Project 991-DT}
             [Stephens]

John reported that the first (and apparently only) public review on the GPP
technical report will close on November 14th.  It will be designated X3/TR-16-
199x.

      8.9   SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status {Project 992-D} [Roberts]

      Ron Roberts reported that no one attended the SBP comments review
meeting, so he assumes that there are no comments on the proposed resolutions
for the SBP public review comments.

      8.10  SCSI-3 Fiber Channel Protocol (FCP) Status {Project 993-D} 
            [Snively]

John reported that the second public review on FCP closes on November 28th.
John is not aware of any comments received against FCP.  Gary Stephens stated
that he plans to submit a public review comment.

      8.11  SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status {Project 994-D} [Monia]

John reported that the second public review on SAM closes on December 12th.
John is not aware of any comments received against SAM.

      8.12  SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status {Project 995-D} [Weber]

Ralph reported that revision 8 was distributed in the last mailing.

Charles Monia moved that the status of SPC be changed from Working Draft to
draft standard by entering the "Stabilized State" in accordance with Clause
2.5 of the X3T10 Proposed Standards Development Policies and Procedures with
the specific proviso that the technical editor include on his list of Accepted
Items X3T10/95-229 Persistent Reservations as amended by the working group,
X3T10/95-344-345 ASC/ASCQs as amended by the working group, and X3T10/95-240
Device ID VPD when accepted, along with the minutes recording that the
proposals X3T10/95-324 Cabinet Services and X3T10/95-349 SCSI Version Proposal
are not on the list of Accepted Items.   Skip Jones seconded the motion.

Peter Johansson moved that the motion be amended to move Persistent
Reservations out of the list of Accepted Items for inclusion in SPC.  Gary
Stephens seconded the motion to amend.  After a brief discussion, the motion
to amend failed 2:24:0:25=51.

The original motion passed 27:1:0:24=51.

Speaking to his negative vote, Gene Milligan moved that, in light of the
absence of plans for version reporting in the stabilized SPC, clause 1.2 be
removed from the X3T10 Proposed Standards Development Policies and Procedures.
The motion passed 26:2:0:24=51.

Speaking to their negative votes, Gene Milligan and Gary Stephens stated their
support for the concept of version reporting.

      8.13  SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) Status {Project 996-D} [Tewell]

      John Lohmeyer reported that no progress has been made on SBC.  He
described the situation with the current technical editor and called for
interested parties to volunteer for this position.

      8.14  SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Lappin]

      Ted Lappin reported that the SSC/SMC working group met earlier (held in
the absence of the SMC editor).  He noted that the location of the soft write-
protect bit was discussed and the bit was left in its current mode page (see
SSC revision 5).  Several requests for clarifications were also discussed.
Ted reported that his next task is SAMinizing the SSC.  The minutes of the
SSC/SMC meeting can be found in document 95-359.

      8.15  SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) Status {Project 998-D} [Tewell]

John Lohmeyer reported that the status of SGC is much the same as SBC.  He
will entertain volunteers to pick up this work.

      8.16  SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands (SMC) Status {Project 999-D} 
            [Oetting]

No report was available for the SMC.

      8.17  SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) Status {Project 1047-D} [Penokie]

George Penokie reported that SCC second public review will close on December
12th.  George reported that a special joint SCC/RAB meeting will be held
Tuesday morning of January X3T10 week to review proposed enhancements to SCC.
These proposed enhancements are the outcome of work done in the High
Availability Study Group. He encouraged attendance at that meeting by all
interested parties.

      8.18  Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]

Ron Roberts reported that working group reviewed all the HP write-process
commands.  The results of that review have been accepted for MMC revision 4.0.
MMC revision 4.0 will be ready in December (not in time for the next X3T10
mailing).

      8.19  SCSI-3 Fast-20 Parallel Interface (Fast-20) {Project 1071-D} 
            [Lamers]

      John Lohmeyer reported that the management review for Fast-20 was held
at the OMC meeting this week.

      8.20  AT Attachment-3 Interface (ATA-3) Status {Project 2008-D} 
            [Milligan]

      Gene Milligan reported on this subject earlier in the meeting (see 8.4).

      8.21  ATA Packet Interface (ATAPI) Status {Project 1120-D} [Milligan]

Gene Milligan reported on this subject earlier in the meeting (see 8.4).

      8.22  SPI-2 Study Group [Ham/Aloisi]

Paul Aloisi reported on several SPI-2 study group meetings.  Minutes of the
meetings are available in documents 95-337 and 95-340.  The slides used in the
status presentation can be found in document 95-362.  SPI-2 will have a new
draft in the next mailing.

      8.23  High Availability Study Group [Sicola]

Charles Monia reported that the high availability study group meeting was held
earlier this week.

      8.24  Boot Considerations Project [Penman]

Duncan Penman reported that the document is nearly complete and that all known
technical comments have been processed.  Duncan plans to have a document ready
for consideration at the next meeting.

      8.25  EPI Study Group [Ham]

Bill Ham reported that the EPI study group held its first real meeting on
Tuesday.  Many useful details were discussed.  He expressed the belief that
the document will be ready for review in about six months.

9.          Old Business

      9.1   Clarification of international program fee [Allan]

John noted that the issue was discussed extensively under the membership
topic.

      9.2   Addressability of TARGET RESET task management function (94-236r2)
             [Snively]

Bob Snively moved that X3T10 accept the working group's recommendation to
accept 94-236r2.  Charles Monia seconded the motion.  The motion passed
24:0:0:27=51.

      9.3   Resolution of SCSI-3 SBP (0992-D) Public Review Comments and
            Forwarding to 2PR

Ron Roberts and Peter Johansson reported on the OUI changes needed in SBP
revision 21.  Dick Scheel moved that SBP revision 22 be accepted as the
resolution to comments received from first public review and be forward to X3
for further processing to second public review.  Peter Johansson seconded the
motion.  The motion passed 29:0:0:22=51.  John Lohmeyer took an action item to
forward SBP revision 22 to X3 for processing toward second public review.

10.         New Business

      10.1  Resolution of 2PR comments (if any) on FCP

John Lohmeyer reported that no comments have been received from the FCP public
review.

      10.2  Resolution of 2PR comments (if any) on SAM

John Lohmeyer reported that no comments have been received from the SAM public
review.

      10.3  Resolution of 2PR comments (if any) on SCC

John Lohmeyer reported that no comments have been received from the SCC public
review.

      10.4  Actions on Working Group Recommendations

Charles Monia moved that X3T10 accept the working group's recommendation to
approve 95-351r1 for inclusion in SIP.  Peter Johansson seconded the motion.
The motion passed 29:0:0:22=51.

George Penokie moved that X3T10 accept the working group's recommendation to
approve 95-344 and 95-345 for inclusion in SPC.  Charles Monia seconded the
motion.  The motion passed 31:0:0:20=51.

Bob Snively moved that X3T10 approve 95-229r3 (95-229r2 as revised based on
working group comments)  for inclusion in the SPC.  Charles Monia seconded the
motion.  Bob presented a review of the changes made as a result of the working
group discussion.  The motion passed 29:0:0:22=51.

      10.5  Recommendation to X3 regarding management of an IEEE Organizational
             Unique Identifier [Johansson]

John Lohmeyer described the events leading to the need for an OUI for SBP and
the IEEE RAC's assignment of one to X3.  He had developed a proposal for X3
management of the 24-bit extension identifiers.  John moved that X3T10 forward
95-360 to X3.  Charles Monia seconded the motion.  The motion passed
28:0:0:23=51.  John took an action item to forward 95-360 to X3.

      10.6  SAM-2 Project Proposal (95-333) [Monia]

John Lohmeyer moved that X3T10 forward 95-333r1 (95-333r0 as revised) to X3
for further processing.  Charles Monia seconded the motion.  The motion passed
31:0:0:20=51.  John took an action item to forward 95-333r1 (the SAM-2 Project
Proposal as revised) to X3.

11.   ISO

      11.1        ISO Report [Milligan]

Gene Milligan, the X3T10 International Representative, gave a brief oral
report and provided the following electronic report:

                               ISO Report 11/95
                                       
      JTC 1 has issued twenty one NWI letter ballots concerning X3T10, 11,
and 12. The ballots close 19 January. The ballots are:

ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3693  Pathways & Space for Customer Premises Cabling and
Equipment
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3694  FDDI SMT-2
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3695  FDDI TP-PMD
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3696  SPI
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3697  SBP
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3698  SAM
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3699  Fast-20
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3701  SCC
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3702  FCP
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3703  HPPI-SE
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3704  HPPI-ATM
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3705  FC-SW
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3706  FC-LE
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3707 FC-FG
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3708  FC-PH-2
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3709  FC-SB
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3710  FC-FP
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3711  FC-ATM
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3712  FC-PH-3
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3713  FC-GS
ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3714 FC-AL

      11.2  ISO New Business

On behalf of the United States of America and the country for which they
stand, Gene Milligan moved that X3T10 recommend that the U.S. Member body vote
affirmatively on the following six questions:

1) Do you accept the proposal in documents ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 3696 (SPI NWI);  N
3697 (SBP NWI); N 3698 (SAM NWI); N 3699 (Fast-20 NWI); N 3701 (SCC NWI); and
N3702 (FCP NWI)?

2) Do you support the addition to the new work item to the programme of work
of the joint technical committee?

3) Do you commit yourself to participate in the development of this new work
item?

4) Are you able to offer a project editor who will dedicate his efforts to the
advancement and maintenance of this project?

5) Do you have a major contribution or a reference document ready for
submittal?

6) Will you have such a contribution within ninety days?

Charles Monia seconded the motion.  Larry Lamers reminded the committee that
only representatives for U.S. domiciled organizations could vote on this and
other international standards motions.  The motion passed  31:0:0:20=51.

Gene Milligan (the IR) moved that X3T10 action members with operations in
foreign countries to lobby France, United Kingdom, Brazil, Italy, Sweden,
Denmark, and other JTC 1 countries for support of the new work item projects,
in particular, that they will contribute to the development by answering "yes"
to question 3.  Peter Johansson seconded the motion.  The motion passed
31:0:0:20=51.

12.         Liaison Reports

      12.1  X3T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]

Roger Cummings provided the following written report:

X3T11 met on October 4, 1995 with 78 people in attendance.  Panasonic
Technologies and TV/Com International were deleted for failure to attend
meetings and/or return letter ballots.  Texas Instruments was added as a new
member organization.  One X3T11 member reported receiving a notice from the
Secretariat that he had lost membership because of non-payment of the
International Program Fee, but as the Chair had not been informed of this the
only action taken was to approve a motion demanding that the Secretariat
investigate the situation. The membership of X3T11 is now 61 organizations.

The results of two X3T11 LBs were announced. The Letter Ballot on HIPPI Serial
(Rev 1.5) for an OMC compliance review and a first Public Review passed with
F45-O02-DNV15, however a new version of the draft will be produced to respond
to the comments submitted with the Opposed ballots. The Letter Ballot on the
FC Private Loop Direct Attach passed with F45-O00-DNV17 (1 For ballot included
comments).

It was reported that the first Public Review of Project 979-D, HIPPI-FC
(X3.283-199x), had closed with no comments, but that a few editorial comments
had been received from the ANSI editor.

A number of motions were adopted which will change the definition of the
optical physical variants in FC-PH-2. The result will be to remove variants
which are duplicates of those in FC-PH, and those based on 980 nm VCSEL
technology. Informative annexes will be included which contain recommendations
of the physical variants to be used in future implementations, and which
requests that transceiver manufacturers indicate if their parts are capable of
acting as receivers for multiple variant definitions.

A motion to rescind the decision of the August X3T11 Plenary to delay a
decision on a connector for FC-PH-3 Copper physical variants beyond October
was defeated.  It was also decided by consensus to have a single definition of
link length, and to include test methods in a Normative Annex, in FC-PH-3.

Technical Editors were solicited for the FC-PH-3 and FC-ATM projects.

The following X3T11 Letter Ballots were authorized:

1) Forwarding a Project Proposal for HIPPI Autoconfiguration (HIPPI-AC) to
   OMC for further processing.
2) Forwarding a working dpANS, for the Revised IPI-3 Disk project, for
   further processing including an  OMC review and a first Public Review.
3) Forwarding a working dpANS, for the Revised IPI-3 Tape project, for
   further processing including an  OMC review and a first Public Review.
4) Forwarding a working dpANS, for the FC-PH-2 project, for further
   processing including an OMC review      and a first Public Review.
5) Increasing the minimum launch amplitude for the electrical physical
   variants in FC-PH-3 to 800       millivolts peak-to peak (from the 600
   millivolts peak-to-peak level specified in FC-PH).
6) Including in FC-PH-2 that ac coupling shall be required as part of the
   receiver electrical cable interface     specification.
7) Forwarding a working dpANS, for the FC-LE project, for further processing
   including an OMC review   and a first Public Review.
8) Forwarding a working dpX3TR, for the 10 bit Interface project, for further
   processing including an OMC      review and a first Public Review.

The next meeting of X3T11 is on December 6, 1995 at the Clarion Bay View
Hotel, 660 K Street, San Diego, CA 92101. The phone number for the hotel is
(800) 766-0234. The cutoff date for reservations is November 3.  Note that a
meeting fee of $25 per day will be levied for attendance at the December X3T11
meetings on those not registered in the ANSI/ENDL block at the Clarion Hotel.
The fee is necessary because of the exceptional circumstances involved in
holding a co-located meeting with a major trade show (Supercomputing `95).

      12.2  SFF Industry Group [Allan]

Dal Allan provided the following written report on SFF activities:

The VHDCI (Very High Density Cable Interconnects) selected the AMP-proposed 
design and met to discuss the backend configurations for which AMP had 
supplied an initial EIA draft. More configurations were added to the list and 
a number of editorial errors identified. The SCA-2 connector backend has also 
been documented in initial EIA draft form. A number of additions were made for 
both the device and host side.

Several suggestions were discussed on how to improve the cable plant for ATA
systems, and new cable alternatives will be provided for testing by drive 
vendors. In another activity, a request for information is being made to all 
vendors for unitized connectors being developed and in use for the ATA and 
SCSI markets.

The SFF-8047 and SFF-8048 specifications which provided enhanced ESI 
capabilities over SFF-8045 and SFF-8046 for FC-AL and SCSI respectively have 
been withdrawn. The expanded functionality will be provided by SCSI agents as 
described in the SAF-TE specification and the X3T10 working group 
recommendations on direction.

Means to provide future attachment of high rpm drives which require higher
than 12V for operation will be documented in two SFF Specifications as
companions to SFF-8045 and SFF-8046. A mechanical interlock for hot plugging
will prevent smoking 12V drives in 36V enclosures. An electrical interlock
will prevent providing 36V to an enclosure which contains any 12V drives.
Clear labeling on drives and enclosures will also be recommended.

      12.3  IEEE P1394 [Marazas]

Peter Johansson reported that P1394 approval work is almost complete.  He also
gave a brief description of the 1394 follow-on project (a.k.a. P1394-2).

      12.4  IEEE P1285 Status [Pak]

No report was received from P1285.  Gene Milligan reported receipt of email
|from Martin Freeman requesting an electronic comments of Gene's comments for
consideration by the ballot resolution committee.  Larry Lamers stated that he
had received no correspondence regarding his P1285 comments.

      12.5  PCMCIA Report [McLean]

Pete said that no noteworthy activities had occurred at PCMCIA.

      12.6  Report on SCSI Industry Association Meeting

John Lohmeyer reported that the minutes of the 16 October meeting were sent to
the SCSI Reflector.  A meeting is planned for December 14th hosted by Quantum
in Milpitas, CA at the Holiday Inn.  A co-located meeting is planned for
January 1996.  In a straw poll, the committee favored a Thursday morning
meeting over a Friday morning meeting: 8:4.

13.         Review of Action Items

116)  Rick Tewell will document the usage of the 0Dh mode page code in SBC as
per the  wishes of X3T10
      expressed in item 10.6 of the meeting #10 minutes.
123)  Larry Lamers will conduct a letter ballot for forwarding ATA-3 toward
first  public review.
124)  John Lohmeyer will forward SBP revision 22 to X3 for processing toward
second public review.
125)  John Lohmeyer will forward 95-360 (the OUI management proposal) to X3.
126)  John Lohmeyer will forward 95-333r1 (the SAM-2 Project Proposal as
amended) to X3.
127)  Larry Lamers will prepare an amendment for SPI for review by X3T10.
128)  Larry Lamers will conduct a letter ballot for forwarding SIP revision 8
toward first public review.
129)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised X3T10 Policies and Procedures to
X3.

14.         Meeting Schedule

The next plenary meeting of X3T10 will be January 11, 1996, in Dallas, TX, at
the Doubletree Hotel at Park West (214-869-4300), hosted by Quantum Corp.  The
meeting will begin at 1:00 p.m. on Thursday.

The meeting list for the next plenary week is:

                            January `96 Meeting Map
                               (11/9/95 Version)

Monday 1/8         9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9
                   +===========================================+
                   | SPI-2 Working Group                       |      (35)
                   +===============+===============+-----------+---+
                                   | FCLC                          |  (40)
                   +---------------+---------------+---------------+
                   | IEEE P1394                    |                  (20)
                   +-------------------------------+

Tuesday 1/9        9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   | EPI WG        | SCSI-3 WG                 |      (40)
                   +===============+===================+=======+
                   |  CAM-3 WG     | MMC WG            |              (15)
                   +===============+===============+===+
                   | IEEE P1394                    |                  (20)
                   +---------------+---------------+
                   | SCC/RAB WG    | RAB           |                  (20)
                   +---------------+---------------+

Wednesday 1/10     9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   | SCSI-3 WG                                 |      (40)
                   +===============+===================+=======+
                   | MMC Working Group                 |              (20)
                   +===============+===================+
                   |SFF Form Factor| SFF/VHDCI WG      |              (40)
                   +---------------+-------------------+
                   | RAB                               |              (??)
                   +-----------------------------------+

Thursday 1/11      9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9
                   +---------------+===============================+
                   |  SFF          | X3T10 Plenary                 |  (40/70)
                   +===============+===============================+
                   |  SSC/SMC WG   |                                  (10)
                   +===============+
                   | SCSI IA       |        ???                       (40)
                   +---------------+

Friday 1/12    8   9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5
                 +-----------------------+
                 | SCSI IA               |  ???                       (40)
                 +-----------------------+

    Meetings marked with == are X3T10-authorized meetings.
    Meetings marked with -- are authorized by other groups and may change
    without notice.
    ??? The SCSI IA meeting day is to be determined by that group.

Meeting Map Abbreviation Key:
1394TA:           1394 Trade Association
ATA:              AT Attachment (a.k.a. IDE)
ATA-2:            ATA Extensions
ATA-3:            Third Generation ATA
ATAPI:            ATA Packet Interface
CAM:              Common Access Method
CAM-3:            Next generation CAM for SCSI-3 (was called CAM-2)
EPI:              SCSI Enhanced Parallel Interface (Technical Report)
Fast-20:          Synchronous Data Transfer at 20 Megatransfers/second
FC-AL:            Fibre Channel - Arbitrated Loop (an X3T11 project)
FCLC:             Fibre Channel Loop Community (not an X3 activity)
I/F:              Interface
High Avail.:      High Availability
LB:               Letter Ballot
MMC:              SCSI-3 Multimedia Commands (CD-ROM)
P1394:            IEEE Project on High Performance Serial Bus (not an X3
                  activity)
PH:               Physical (Connectors, Cables, Transceivers, etc.)
Plenary:          Full Committee Meeting
RAB:              RAID Advisory Board (not an X3 activity)
RAID:             Redundant Array of Independent Devices
SBP:              SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol
SCC:              SCSI-3 Controller Commands (RAID)
SCSI:             Small Computer System Interface
SCSI IA:          SCSI Industry Association (or whatever it will be called)
SFF:              SFF Industry Group (not an X3 activity)
SG:               Study Group
SMC:              SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands
SPI-2:            Second Generation SCSI-3 Parallel Interface
SSA:              Serial Storage Interface
SSC:              SCSI-3 Stream Commands (includes Tape)
Stor:             Storage
UIG:              User Interest Group (not an X3 activity)
VHDCI             Very High Density Cabled Interconnect
WG:               Working Group (same as Ad Hoc Group)
X3T10:            Lower Level Interfaces Technical Committee (was X3T9.2)
X3T10.1:          SSA Task Group of X3T10 (was X3T9.7)

Several other X3T10 events are also planned:

Event                Day/Date      Time     Location/contact
-------------------- ------------- -------- ----------------------------------
----
SPI-2 LVDS WG         Fr 12/15      9 am     Milpitas, CA / McGrath
SPI-2 LVDS WG         Mo 2/5/96     9 am     Denver, CO / Lohmeyer
ATA Working Group     Tu 11/28-12/1 9 am     WD in Irvine, CA / Hanan
ATA WG / X3T13        Tu 1/23-26/96 9 am     San Jose, CA / McGrath
MMC Working Group     Tu/We 12/5-7  9 am     Sunnyvale, CA / Philips (*)

(*) Two days starting on either 12/5 or 12/6, to be determined and announced
to the MMC Reflector.

For more information about X3T10 activities, please contact the following
people:

Activity                     Contact        Telephone/Email
---------------------------- -------------- ------------------------------
ATA-2                        Steve Finch    (714) 573-6808
                                            steve.finch at tus.ssi1.com
ATA-3 & ATAPI                Gene Milligan  (405) 324-3070
                                            Gene_Milligan at notes.seagate.com
CAM & CAM-3                  Bill Dallas    (603) 881-2508
                                            dallas at wasted.enet.dec.com
FCP                          Robert Snively (415) 336-5332
                                            Bob.Snively at eng.sun.com
GPP                          Gary Stephens  (602) 321-1725
                                            6363897 at mcimail.com
SAM                          Charles Monia  (508) 841-6757
                                            monia at starch.enet.dec.com
SBC and SGC                  Thomas Tewell  (415) 459-7978
                                            thomas.tewell at seqadvtech.com
SBP and MMC                  Ron Roberts    (916) 677-5714
                                            rkroberts at aol.com
SIP, SCC                     George Penokie (507) 253-5208
                                            gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
SMC                          Erich Oetting  (303) 673-2178
                                            Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
SPC                          Ralph Weber    (603) 881-1497
                                            roweber at acm.org
SPI,Fast-20,& SSA-xxx        Larry Lamers   (408) 957-7817
                                            ljlamers at aol.com
SSA-S2P & -S3P               John Scheible  (512) 823-8208
                                            Scheible at vnet.ibm.com
SSC                          Edward Lappin  (303) 447-7718
                                            tedl at exabyte.com
System Issues                Duncan Penman  (408) 730-2565
                                            penman at netcom.com
Other Activities             John Lohmeyer  (719) 573-3362
                                            john.lohmeyer at symbios.com

The long-term X3T10 meeting week schedule is:

Date              Location                   Host/Comments
---------------   ------------------------   --------------------------
Jan  8-12, 1996   Dallas, TX                 Quantum
Mar 11-15, 1996   Newport Beach, CA          QLogic
May  6-10, 1996   Ft. Lauderdale, FL         Adaptec
Jul 15-19, 1996   Colorado Springs, CO       Symbios Logic
Sep  9-13, 1996   Natick, MA (near Boston)   Digital
Nov  4- 8, 1996   Palm Springs, CA           Western Digital
Jan  6-10, 1997   Dallas, TX                 Quantum
Mar 10-14, 1997   San Diego, CA              QLogic
May  5-9,  1997   Natick, MA (near Boston)   Digital
Jul 14-18, 1997   Colorado Springs, CO       Symbios Logic
Sep  8-12, 1997   Nashua, NH                 Unitrode
Nov  3-7,  1997   Palm Springs, CA           Western Digital

Skip Jones moved and Paul Aloisi seconded that the 1997 meeting sites and
hosts be approved as listed above.  (The 1996 meetings and 1997 dates were
previously approved.)  The motion passed 24:4:1:22=51.

      14.1  Authorization of Working Group Meetings

John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under the
same voting procedures as does X3T10 (that is, one vote per organization) and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee.  This
later requirement is why we have traditionally only used non-binding straw
polls in working group meetings.  Any issue where the voting rules would make
a difference should be deferred to the plenary group.  Nonetheless, task
groups and ad hoc groups should strive to achieve consensus prior to bringing
issues to X3T10.

Paul Aloisi moved that X3T10 authorize the X3T10-related meetings and events
in the list above.  Skip Jones seconded the motion.  The motion passed
unanimously.

15.         Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 6:04 p.m. on Thursday November 9, 1995.

                      Meeting Attendees -- Enclosure (1)

         Name          S        Organization         Electronic Mail Address
---------------------- -- ------------------------- -------------------------
Mr. Rick Heidick       A  3M Company                rdheidick at mmm.com
Mr. Norm Harris        P  Adaptec, Inc.             nharris at eng.adaptec.com
Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers A# Adaptec, Inc.             ljlamers at aol.com
Mr. Edward Fong        P  Amdahl Corp.              esf10 at amail.amdahl.com
Mr. Geoff Zech         O  AMP, Inc.                 ghzech at amp.com
Mr. Michael Wingard    P  Amphenol Interconnect     mikwingard at aol.com
Mr. Ron Roberts        A  Apple Computer            rkroberts at aol.com
Mr. Clifford E. Strang P  BusLogic                  skip at buslogic.com
Jr.
Mr. Joe Chen           P  Cirrus Logic Inc.         chen at cirrus.com
Mr. Edward Haske       P  CMD Technology
Mr. Peter Johansson    P  Congruent Software, Inc.  pjohansson at aol.com
Mr. Marc A. Noblitt    A# Conner Peripherals        marc.noblitt at conner.com
Mr. Louis Grantham     P  Dallas Semiconductor      grantham at dalsemi.com
Mr. Greg McSorley      V  Data General Corp.        greg_mcsorley at dgc.ceo.dg.
                                                    com
Mr. Charles Monia      P  Digital Equipment Corp.   monia at shr.dec.com
Mr. William Dallas     A# Digital Equipment Corp.   dallas at wasted.enet.dec.com
Mr. Robert Reisch      P  Eastman Kodak Co.         reisch at sector.kodak.com
Mr. I. Dal Allan       T  ENDL                      2501752 at mcimail.com
Mr. Ralph O. Weber     P  ENDL Associate            roweber at acm.org
Mr. Edward Lappin      P  Exabyte Corp.             tedl at exabyte.com
Mr. Gary R. Stephens   P  FSI Consulting Services   6363897 at mcimail.com
Mr. Andy Chen          A# Fujitsu Computer Prods    achen at fcpa.fujitsu.com
                          Amer
Mr. Stephen Holmstead  P  Hewlett Packard Co.       stephen at mail.boi.hp.com
Mr. Wanli Tseng        V  Hewlett Packard Co.       wtseng at ppg01.sc.hp.com
Mr. Anthony Yang       A# Hitachi America Ltd.      yang_a at halsp.hitachi.com
Mr. Zane Daggett       A# Hitachi Cable             74354.2576 at compuserve.com
                          Manchester,Inc
Mr. Thomas J. Kulesza  A  Honda Connectors
Mr. George Penokie     P  IBM Corp.                 gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Dan Colegrove      A# IBM Corp.                 colegrove at vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Duncan Penman      P  IIX Consulting            penman at netcom.com
Mr. Pat LaVarre        A# Iomega Corp.              p.lavarre at ieee.org
Mr. Lansing Sloan      V  Lawrence Livermore Nat'l  ljsloan at llnl.gov
                          Lab
Mr. Dean Wallace       P  Linfinity Micro           75671.3443 at compuserve.com
Mr. Pete McLean        P  Maxtor Corp.              pete_mclean at maxtor.com
Mr. Jay Neer           A  Molex Inc.                jneer at molex.com
Mr. Jack Chen          A# Oak Technology, Inc.      jackc at oaktech.com
Mr. Edward A. Gardner  V  Ophidian Designs          gardner at acm.org
Mr. Skip Jones         P  QLogic Corp.              sk_jones at qlc.com
Mr. Mark Evans         A  Quantum Corp.             mevans at qntm.com
Mr. Gene Milligan      P  Seagate Technology        Gene_Milligan at notes.
                                                    seagate.com
Mr. Stephen G. Finch   P  Silicon Systems, Inc.     steve.finch at tus.ssi1.com
Mr. Dick Scheel        A# Sony                      dicks at lsi.sel.sony.com
Mr. Robert N. Snively  P  Sun Microsystems Computer bob.snively at eng.sun.com
                          Co
Mr. John Lohmeyer      P  Symbios Logic Inc.        john.lohmeyer at symbios.com
Mr. Patrick Mercer     P  SyQuest Technology, Inc.  patrick.mercer at syquest.com
Mr. Steven Walker      P  Thomas & Betts            walkertnb at aol.com
Mr. Tokayuki Totani    O  Toshiba America           ttotaniAtaisdpd.geis.com
Mr. Kenneth J. Hallam  P  UNISYS Corporation        ken.hallam at mv.unisys.com
Mr. Paul D. Aloisi     P  Unitrode Integrated       Aloisi at uicc.com
                          Circuits
Mr. Francesco Liburdi  O  Wearnsi Hollingsworth
Mr. Jeff Stai          P  Western Digital           stai at dt.wdc.com
                          Corporation
Mr. Tom Hanan          A# Western Digital           hanan_t at a1.wdc.com
                          Corporation
Mr. Devon Worrell      A# Western Digital           worrell at dt.wdc.com
                          Corporation
Mr. Tak Asami          A  Western Digital           asami at dt.wdc.com
                          Corporation
Mr. Doug Piper         P  Woven Electronics         549.9900 at mcimail.com
Mr. Arnold Limjoco     O  Yamaichi Electronics      6371175 at mcimail.com
Mr. Don Johnson        V  Zitel Corporation         djohnson at zitel.com

57 People Present

Status Key:  P    -  Principal
             A,A# -  Alternate
             O    -  Observer
             L    -  Liaison
             V    -  Visitor




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