Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #10 7/13/95

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Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #10 in Colorado Springs, CO    X3T10/95-265r0



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                  John Lohmeyer, Chair X3T10

Subject:          Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #10
                  Colorado Springs, CO -- July 13, 1995


                                       Agenda

1. Opening Remarks

2. Approval of Agenda

3. Attendance and Membership

4. Approval of Minutes - May Meeting Harrisburg, PA (X3T10/95-211r1)

5. Document Distribution

6. Call for Patents

7. Review of Old Action Items

8. Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports
   8.1 Project Status Summary and X3/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]
   8.2 X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Hallam]
   8.3 SCSI Common Access Method (CAM) {Project 792-D} [Dallas]
   8.4 ATA Extensions (ATA-2) Status {Project 948-D} [Finch]
   8.5 SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status {Project 855-D} [Lamers]
   8.6 SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status {Project 856-D} [Penokie]
   8.7  SCSI  Common  Access  Method  -3 (CAM-3)  Status  {Project  990-D}
      [Dallas]
   8.8  SCSI-3  Generic Packetized Protocol (GPP) Status {Project  991-DT}
      [Stephens]
   8.9 SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status {Project 992-D} [Roberts]
   8.10  SCSI-3  Fiber  Channel  Protocol  (FCP)  Status  {Project  993-D}
      [Snively]
   8.11 SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status {Project 994-D} [Monia]
   8.12 SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status {Project 995-D} [Weber]
   8.13 SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) Status {Project 996-D} [Tewell]
   8.14 SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Lappin]
   8.15 SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) Status {Project 998-D} [Tewell]
   8.16  SCSI-3  Medium  Changer  Commands (SMC)  Status  {Project  999-D}
      [Oetting]
   8.17 SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) Status {Project 1047-D} [Penokie]
   8.18 Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]
   8.19  SCSI-3  Fast-20  Parallel  Interface (Fast-20)  {Project  1071-D}
      [Lamers]
   8.20   AT   Attachment-3  Interface  (ATA-3)  Status  {Project  2008-D}
      [Milligan]
   8.21 ATA Packet Interface (ATAPI) Status {Project 1120-D} [Milligan]
   8.22 Systems Issues Study Group [Penman]
   8.23 SPI-2 Study Group [Ham/Aloisi]
   8.24 High Availability Study Group [Sicola]

9. Old Business
   9.1 Clarification of international program fee [Allan]
   9.2  Addressability of TARGET RESET task management function (94-236r1)
      [Snively]
   9.3 Resolution of SCSI-3 SBP (0992-D) Public Review Comments
   9.4 Resolution of SCSI-3 SCC (1047-D) Public Review Comments
   9.5  Request for Blocks of Density Codes and Medium Type Codes for  QIC
      Tape Drives (95-201) [Freeman]

10. New Business
   10.1 Forwarding of SCSI-3 FCP (0993-D) to Second Public Review
   10.2 Forwarding of SCSI-3 SAM (0994-D) to Second Public Review
   10.3 Results of Letter Ballot on recommending Formation of an ATA TC
   10.4 Results of Letter Ballots on 10 Project Proposals
   10.5 Vendor-specific mode page codes for tapes (95-221r1) [Weber]
   10.6 Power Condition mode page (95-222r1) [Weber]

11. ISO Report [Milligan]

12. Liaison Reports
   12.1 X3T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]
   12.2 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
   12.3 IEEE P1394 [Marazas]
   12.4 IEEE P1285 Status [Pak]
   12.5 PCMCIA Report [McLean]

13. Review of Action Items

14. Meeting Schedule
   14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings

15. Adjournment




                              Results of Meeting

1.          Opening Remarks

John Lohmeyer, the X3T10 Chair, called the meeting to order at 1:00 p.m.,
Thursday July 13, 1995.  He thanked Symbios Logic for hosting the meeting and
saving him a trip.

John said that X3 Subgroup Membership forms and the X3T10 Mailing Subscription
form were available on the document table.  He said that people should use the
X3 forms to insure the X3 Secretariat has the latest membership information.
These forms should be mailed directly to the X3 Secretariat.

As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves and a copy of the
attendance list was circulated.  Copies of the draft agenda and general
information on X3T10 were made available to those attending.

2.          Approval of Agenda

The draft agenda was approved as written.

3.          Attendance and Membership

The membership requirements were reviewed.  X3 rules permit one vote per
organization.  An individual from a new organization must attend two out of
three consecutive plenary meetings.  He/she may apply for voting membership
the second meeting via a letter to the Chair of X3T10.  The individual may
vote at the second plenary meeting.  Working group meetings do not count
toward attendance requirements.

Organizations must also pay the X3 Service Fee ($300) to maintain membership.
The International Program Fee ($300) is billed separately directly from ANSI.

The Chair said he had sent letters to 14 people from 8 organizations informing
them that their membership was in jeopardy due to non-attendance (see 95-
028r0) and that their membership would be terminated if they did not attend
this meeting.  All organizations were represented at this meeting except:

AT&T
Interphase
Maxoptix

These organizations were `terminated' (that is, the principals were changed to
observers, first alternates, if any, were dropped, and any additional
alternates were changed to observers).  No organizations joined X3T10 at the
meeting.

There was some confusion about whether Francesco Liburdi of Wearnsi
Hollingsworth was eligible to vote during a later roll call vote.  The chair
ruled no at the time since there was no record of prior attendance from any
organization starting with `Wea'.  However, when processing attendance data
later, the chair found that Frank Liburdi of Hollingsworth had attended the
March `95 meeting.  The mis-match in organization names was the cause of the
ruling.  Mr. Liburdi is eligible to join X3T10 as a voting member upon
supplying a letter requesting membership to the chair.

The X3T10 membership is now at 56 organizations down from 59 organizations
last time.  Enclosure (1) is the list of the people present at the meeting and
enclosure (2) is the current X3T10 membership list.

4.    Approval of Minutes - May Meeting Harrisburg, PA (X3T10/95-211r1)

The minutes were approved as written.

5.          Document Distribution

Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Katrina Gray (kgray at itic.nw.dc.us) or Dan Arnold
(darnold at itic.nw.dc.us) at (202) 626-5741.

Larry Lamers requested that all documents for the next mailing be in his hands
by noon on Thursday July 27, 1995. Documents received after this date will go
into a subsequent mailing.

Larry Lamers reminded the committee of the requirements for document
submission to be included in the committee mailing.  Since X3T10 meets its
document archiving requirements by including the X3 Secretariat on the mailing
list, documents included in the mailing must be suitable for archiving.  This
means that high-quality, single-sided originals with adequate margins and
proper identification must be submitted.  Document X3T10/95-147 contains the
list of requirements for submissions.

In keeping with the X3T10 committee's new efforts for electronic document
filing and distribution, Larry requested that electronic copies of all
documents be made available to him.  The electronic copies can be sent
directly to Larry.  Or, the electronic document can be placed on the SCSI BBS.

As usual, minutes are also available on the SCSI BBS (719-574-0424) and will
be distributed to the ATA and SCSI Reflectors.  To be added to the ATA
Reflector, send an email to majordomo at dt.wdc.com with the line 'subscribe ata'
in the message body.  To subscribe to the SCSI Reflector, send an electronic
message to: scsi-request at symbios.com and include your mailing address in the
message body.

The current document register is enclosure (3).

John noted that the Global Engineering project to distribute committee draft
standards documents on CD-ROM is scheduled to have the first version available
in August 1995.

6.          Call for Patents

This is a regular agenda item to identify any potential patent issues with
developing standards.

John reported that Micropolis and Compaq have not responded to the letters he
sent following the March and May meetings, respectively.

A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge.  Annex I contains
the ANSI patent policy.

Gene Milligan reported that the Seagate patent policy is substantially the
same as the IBM patent policy, a copy of which he displayed.  Gene described
the differences as being that Seagate restricts its statement to those patents
related standards where Seagate participates in development of the standard.

At Gene's prodding, John Lohmeyer requested that Gene Milligan provide a
letter describing the Seagate patent policy.  Gene Milligan took an action
item to provide the letter (and completed the action item later in the
meeting).

7.          Review of Old Action Items

82)   Larry Lamers will include the X3T11 change control procedure in the
      next X3T10 mailing.  Complete.
84)   George Penokie will prepare a document (probably a technical report)
      describing the SPI fairness algorithm.  Carry over.
86)   John Lohmeyer will write a letter to Compaq Computer Corporation
      regarding patent 5,375,243, "Hard Disk Password Security System" and 
      issues with a similar scheme in ATA. Complete.
87)   Bill Dallas will prepare CAM revision 12b.  Complete.
88)   John will forward CAM 12b to X3 for final processing.  Complete.
89)   John will determine which persons lodging comments must be notified of
      the comments resolution.  All must be notified.  Complete.
90)   John will notify those who commented on FCP (as per the results of the
      previous action item) of the comments resolution and their obligation 
      appeal the resolution within 15 days.  Complete.
91)   John will notify those who commented on SAM of the comments resolution
      and their obligation appeal the resolution within 15 days.  Complete.
92)   John will write a letter to QIC requesting a delay in the assignment of
      a block of codes to QIC. Complete.
93)   Larry will conduct a letter ballot vote on the question of creating a
      new technical committee for ATA. Complete.
94)   Larry will conduct a letter ballot vote to approve the ATA+PI project
      proposal.  Complete.
95)   Larry will conduct letter ballots on the SPI-2, ESPC, FCP-2, SSA-S2P,
      SSA-S3P, SSA-TL1, SSA-TL2, SSA-PH1, and SSA-PH2 project proposals.
      Complete.

8.          Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports

      8.1   Project Status Summary and X3/OMC Liaison [Lohmeyer]

John said that the current X3T10 project status summary was included on the
backs of the meeting agendas and will be included in the mailing as usual.
John noted that the current group of project proposals will arrive too late
for action at the July OMC meeting.  He said that the project proposals will
be processed at the September OMC meeting.

      8.2   X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Hallam]

Ken Hallam reported that X3T10.1 met on June 28, 1995.  Samsung joined and
Honda Connectors was dropped due to lack of attendance.  X3T10.1 continues to
have 23 members.

X3T10.1 reviewed PH1 Physical Draft revision 4d. Some dimensions are still
needed for the external connector. Dimension changes were made for the
internal connector.  The committee removed the requirement for line fault
detection.  The document is near completion.  It may be ready for a letter
ballot in August.

X3T10.1 reviewed TL1 Transport Layer revision 5.  There will be a rewrite of
the SAT section to improve its clarity.  The document is aligning terms with
SCSI-3 SAM.  There have been many editorial changes.  A Services section has
been added to comply with SAM.  There still is lots of work to do.  An
editors' meeting is scheduled.

X3T10.1 reviewed S2P SCSI-2 Protocol revision 2.  A few editorial changes were
made.  ACA was changed to SCA, (name change only) to avoid conflict with SAM.
All devices will be required to implement SCA.  The committee voted down a
proposal to implement CA. The document is near completion.  It may be ready
for a letter ballot in August.

X3T10.1 reviewed the letter ballot comments on all 6 project proposals.
Responses were generated and approved and forwarded to X3T10.  Ken anticipated
that X3T10 will review the responses and forward the revised project proposals
to X3.

X3T10.1 reviewed a paper from Dell Computer regarding "Hot-Swap" (LRC).  Ken
reported that many open issues remain and a study group has been formed.

Ken Hallam moved and Larry Lamers seconded that X3T10 recommend to OMC that
X3T10.1 be authorized to have a seventh meeting in 1995 to assist in
realigning its meeting schedule.  The motion passed 30:1:0:25.

      8.3   SCSI Common Access Method (CAM) {Project 792-D} [Dallas]

In Bill Dallas' absence, John Lohmeyer reported that CAM revision 12 was sent
to X3 and is undergoing an X3 letter ballot.  John guessed that the letter
ballot will close in August.

      8.4   ATA Extensions (ATA-2) Status {Project 948-D} [Finch]

John reported that the first public review on ATA-2 will close August 8, 1995.

      8.5   SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status {Project 855-D} [Lamers]

John reported that SPI has passed the X3 approval letter ballot and has been
sent to ANSI for BSR approval.

      8.6   SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status {Project 856-D} [Penokie]

      George provided copies of SIP revision 5 to the committee.  Revision 5
incorporates a first pass at a SIP-to-SAM and a SIP-to-SPI interface.  George
reported that electronic versions are available on the BBS and the FTP site.
George noted that substantial SIP discussion occurred at the working group
meeting.  He expressed the belief that much work remains to be done on SIP.

      8.7   SCSI Common Access Method -3 (CAM-3) Status {Project 990-D} 
            [Dallas]

Ralph Weber reported for Bill Dallas, who was unable to attend these meetings.
Ralph reported that Lansing Sloan chaired the CAM Working Group meeting,
earlier this week.  The minutes from the meeting can be found in document 95-
275.  Only four people were present at the meeting.  The working group
recommended that CAM-3 contain information about mixing storage device and
network access on a fiber channel interconnect.

      8.8   SCSI-3 Generic Packetized Protocol (GPP) Status {Project 991-DT}
            [Stephens]

      John reported that the X3 Secretariat had some confusion about the
processing ANSI technical reports (since this is a new type of document).
Since GPP will be an ANSI Technical Report, a public review period is required
even though there is no obligation to accept any public review comments
received.

      8.9   SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status {Project 992-D} [Roberts]

Ron reported that the working group reviewed proposed responses to comments
(95-277).  He said that open/unresolved issues will be covered at working
group meetings planned for August.  He noted that isochronous sections will be
revised at the August meetings and incorporated into the document for review
in September.  He plans to present a revision for second public review in
September.  He described a planned request for approval of working group
meetings as follows:

      August 15 & 16     Sony America,  San Jose, CA
      September 12       Manchester,  NH

      8.10  SCSI-3 Fiber Channel Protocol (FCP) Status {Project 993-D}
            [Snively]

      Bob reported that FCP revision 12 has been published in the mailing and
is ready for a forwarding motion to second public review.

      8.11  SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status {Project 994-D} [Monia]

Charles reported that SAM revision 17 was mailed to principals and those who
submitted public review comments.  Charles reported that less than a dozen
editorial errors and one technical error have since been discovered.  There
will be a forwarding motion for second public review later in this meeting.

      8.12  SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status {Project 995-D} [Weber]

Ralph reported that revision 7 of the SPC was in the last committee mailing.
He reported that only minor changes have been approved for the SPC since
revision 7, but that four or five major change documents are working their way
to approval by the working group.  In view of these circumstances, Ralph felt
that rolling a new SPC revision would not be useful at this time.  Therefore,
Ralph reported that there will be no new revision of the SPC in the
July/August committee mailing.

      8.13  SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) Status {Project 996-D} [Tewell]

      In the absence of Rick Tewell, John reported that SBC revision 1 was in
the last mailing.

      8.14  SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) Status {Project 997-D} [Lappin]

      Ted reported that a new revision of the SSC will be in the next mailing.
He reported that a proposal for enhanced support of density handling is
undergoing substantial editing.  He also described several other topics
covered by a working group meeting earlier this week.  The minutes of the
working group meeting can be found in document number 95-284.

      8.15  SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) Status {Project 998-D} [Tewell]

In Rick's absence, no report was provided.

      8.16  SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands (SMC) Status {Project 999-D}
            [Oetting]

Eric reported on medium changer working group meeting.  The meeting minutes
can be found in document 95-284.  He also noted that SMC revision 4 is
available at this meeting and will be in the next mailing.

      8.17  SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) Status {Project 1047-D} [Penokie]

      George reported that SCC revision 6 is ready for forwarding to second
public review.  He described the resolution of public review comments
discussed at the general working group meeting.

      8.18  Multimedia Command Set (MMC) Status {Project 1048-D} [Roberts]

Ron reported that the working group has defined a need for a 4-bit field to
identify the MMC revision level.  The working group recommended byte 3 of
INQUIRY command.  Ron said that the working group reviewed the functional
requirements document, with architectural flows incorporated, from June
session.  The editor will review opcode usage within MMC document, again.  Ron
reported a planned request for approval of the following meeting schedule.

      August 2 & 3 at Philips, Sunnyvale, CA
      September  13in Manchester, NH
      October 3 & 4       at Western Digital, Irvine, CA

      8.19  SCSI-3 Fast-20 Parallel Interface (Fast-20) {Project 1071-D}
            [Lamers]

John reported that the first public review period for Fast-20 closes July 25, 
1995.

      8.20  AT Attachment-3 Interface (ATA-3) Status {Project 2008-D}
            [Milligan]

Gene Milligan provided the following AT Attachment status report.

ATAPI  Project 1120:

Tom Hanan distributed a revision 0.2 of the candidate working draft. The
document includes extractions from SFF-8020 intended to provide transport
mechanism and protocol details.  It does not redefine ATA signals.  The
document includes single device overlap but does not contain the proposed
proxy interrupt.

Tom plans to dedicate the ATAPI reflector for SFF-8020.  The ATA reflector
will be used for all of the  ATA related X3 projects.  Dal requested that the
ATAPI and MMC reflectors be merged.

Project 2008 Review of ATA-3 Revision 2 working draft:

Pete McLean provided an updated working draft (rev 2) including the items
approved at Harrisburg.

Concerning issues related to an added specific requirement for a 10 K pull up
resistor on the data line corresponding to the busy bit and the permissive
nature of prior pull up resistor requirements, a two step process was
advocated to determine if the resistor is useful and if it is to then develop
appropriate wording for the requirement. Farbod Fahkfarsa volunteered to do a
simulation.

In the next revision the timing for BSY will be measured from the trailing
edge of reset. The 31 seconds time-out also starts with the trailing edge of
reset.

The group recommended that  SFF 8034i, which provides recommendations on how
to deal with the sharing of some lines of a dual bus logical configuration on
a single physical bus  be included as an informative annex by a vote of 12:3.

A motion to incorporate SFF-8035i, which is the specification for S.M.A.R.T.,
into an annex of ATA-3 was deferred until the July meeting to allow the Chair
to seek Compaq's input on the motion since they were the only originator of
the specification not in attendance.

ATA and ATAPI differences:

Pete McLean had also prepared X3T10/95-254R0 a version of ATA that includes
material showing the differences between ATA and ATAPI. He concluded that the
only technical conflict he had noticed was the duplication of ID word numbers
between the ATA-3 revision information and an ATAPI ID word. The ad hoc agreed
to resolve the conflict by having Pete slide the revision words down to
eliminate the conflict. Although the group appreciated having the differences
spelled out, they rejected the use of 95-254R0 as the basis for ATA-3 by a
vote of 11-3.

Command Overlap and Queuing:

Curtis Stevens summarized the results of the 6/2/95 Command Overlap ad-hoc
meeting. That meeting took a straw poll on whether the proxy interrupt or the
wired-or approach should be taken on interrupts with 12 to 6 in favor of proxy
interrupts. That meeting also had a straw poll on the use of service & release
vs. overlap mode with 10 in favor of  service & release and 8 in favor of
overlap.

The differences between the two active proposals were:
1) Interrupts - Proxy vs. Wired-or
2) Drive Selection - Service/Release vs. CS0/CS1
3) TAGs - Extended Registers vs. New Registers vs. Reuse Registers
4) Enable - New Commands vs. Set Features

At the 21-22 June ad hoc Jim McGrath reported on agreements reached among some
of the participants on his questions in 95-257r0.

After discussion a motion passed 13:2 that the Service & Release Overlap
Proposal  (X3T10/95-258r0) be used as the basis for future work on command
overlap. Pete McLean was assigned the task of converting 95-258 into
specification format.

Project Proposal for ATA+PI:

The ad hoc reviewed the comments accompanying the ballot  and recommended
responses to the issues raised as follows:

They voted that:

      (1) a statement be added to the ATA+PI project proposal that it is a
follow-on project to ATA-3 (2008) and ATAPI (1120) as a response to the
comments from Dal Allan 16:0.

      (2) profiles/service interface for system issues per device type be
included in the scope of the ATA+PI project proposal 13:1.

      (3) Seagate comment #3 be rejected 12:2.

      (4) a note be added to legal considerations regarding the security
patents unanimous.

      (5) X3T10 reject the WD comment 12:3.

Comment Resolution on formation of  a new Technical Committee:

The ad hoc reviewed the comments accompanying the ballot  and recommended
responses to the issues raised as follows:

They voted that:

      1) the response to the comments concerning the requirement for
additional meetings, be that it is possible that a new technical committee
would only require one plenary meeting per year and that meeting could be co-
located with X3T10 and that technical issues could be discussed electronically
and via letter ballets thus limiting the need to hold additional meetings 6:4.

      2) comment (1) also addresses excessive travel and west coast meeting
location issues.

      3) the identified overlap of ATA and SCSI activities does not exist
today, as the bulk of the ATA technical activities are currently not co-
located with SCSI technical activities of X3T10 and the current ATA activity
during the X3T10 meetings is primarily an update on ATA activities and that a
report to X3T10 would be sufficient to meet these needs 8:1.

Document Strategy and Schedule:

The ad hoc passed a motion to recommend X3T10/95-259R0 as the schedule which
includes letter balloting of 2008 and 1120 in 11/95 followed by letter
balloting ATA + PI in 6/96 12:1.

Meeting Schedule:

The ad hoc recommends the following additional ad hoc meetings:

      July 18-20, 1995 at the Red Lion in San Jose, CA hosted by Quantum.
            July 19 12:00-3:00 Annex F, 3:00-5:00 Mode 3 DMA
      August 23-25, 1995 at the Crown Sterling Suites in Milpitas, CA hosted
by Quantum.
      September 20-22, 1995 at the Crown Sterling Suites in Milpitas, CA
hosted by Quantum.
      October 18-20, 1995 at the ??? in Irvine, CA hosted by Phoenix
Technologies.
      November 29-December 1, 1995 - at the ??? in Irvine, CA hosted by
Western Digital.

On behalf of the ad hoc group Gene Milligan moved that X3T10 accept the
recommendations of the ATA ad hoc including the three project schedules (note
recommendations of the ad hoc group regarding matters other than the project
schedules are to be dealt with separately).  The motion passed 39:0:0:17.

      8.21  ATA Packet Interface (ATAPI) Status {Project 1120-D} [Milligan]

Gene noted that ATAPI status was included in the AT Attachment report, above.

      8.22  Systems Issues Study Group [Penman]

Duncan reported that the meeting this week was a single topic meeting; greater
than 8 Mb boot device support on PCs.  The minutes of the study group meeting
are available in document 95-291.

      8.23  SPI-2 Study Group [Ham/Aloisi]

Paul Aloisi reported on the work of the study group meeting.  The minutes of
the meeting are in document 95-263.  Paul called for the controller designers
to review carefully the document provided at this meeting, 95-269r1.  Paul
reviewed study group recommendations for resolution of letter ballot comments
on the two project proposals coming from this group.

Paul reported that meeting requests will be made for:

      August 14    Denver (Hosted by Symbios at the Red Lion Hotel)
      Sept 11      in Manchester, NH

      8.24  High Availability Study Group [Sicola]

In the absence of Steve Sicola, John Lohmeyer reported that the High
Availability study group meeting entailed Steve Sicola's presentation about
fault tolerant controller configurations for SCSI about what they are, why
they should be standardized, and some options for standardization. George
Penokie joined the group and the SCC specification was discussed in detail.
The goal was to figure out how it would work in the configurations at issue
and to see if something was missing.

It turns out, almost everything is there. The unanswered needs are a couple
ASC/ASCQ's for Failover/Failback events and resolution of SCC Component
Association Naming, to get around problems in using serial numbers when
controllers can be swapped around, but the actual configuration remains
unchanged.

The high availability study group does need another meeting and would like it
to be Monday afternoon of the September plenary week.

9.          Old Business

      9.1   Clarification of international program fee [Allan]

In June, at the suggestion of Jean-Paul Emard (Director of the X3
Secretariat), Roger Cummings sent a letter to ANSI requesting that X3T10,
X3T11, and X3T12 members be billed only one IPF since they are collectively
represented by SC25/WG4 on international matters.  No response has been
received yet.  Roger Cummings reported on plans to meet with X3 and ANSI
leadership regarding this fee the following week.

Roger also reported on some financial figuring that he has been developing.
There are about twenty organizations that are getting "double taxed."  Several
aspects of the fee problem were discussed.

      9.2   Addressability of TARGET RESET task management function (94-236r1)
             [Snively]

At the request of Bob Snively, action on this item was deferred until the next
plenary meeting.

      9.3   Resolution of SCSI-3 SBP (0992-D) Public Review Comments

At the request of Ron Roberts, action on this item was deferred until the next
plenary meeting.

      9.4   Resolution of SCSI-3 SCC (1047-D) Public Review Comments

George presented the minor corrections to SCC revision 5 that resulted in
revision 6.  He described the editorial or technical nature of each change.

George Penokie moved and Gary Watson seconded that X3T10 accept the public
review comments resolutions in document 95-220, which resolves the first
public review comments, and that SCC rev 6 be forwarded to X3 for further
processing (second public review).  The motion passed 33:0:0:23.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward SCC revision 6 to X3 for further
processing (second public review).

      9.5   Request for Blocks of Density Codes and Medium Type Codes for QIC
            Tape Drives (95-201) [Freeman]

Ted Lappin reported that he believes that the new REPORT DENSITY command will
be an acceptable resolution to the issues raised by QIC.  John provided an
overview of the proposal.  He asked Alan Olson to take the information to QIC
and ask them to verify the acceptability of the REPORT DENSITY proposal.  Alan
took an action item to review the REPORT DENSITY proposal with QIC.

10.         New Business

      10.1  Forwarding of SCSI-3 FCP (0993-D) to Second Public Review

Bob Snively moved and Charles Monia seconded that FCP rev 12, which resolves
the first public review comments, be forwarded to X3 for further processing
(second public review). The motion passed 36:0:0:20.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward FCP rev 12 to X3 for further
processing (second public review).

      10.2  Forwarding of SCSI-3 SAM (0994-D) to Second Public Review

Charles Monia described a technical change required to correct an error in SAM
rev 17.  The change occurred on page 47, clause 5.3.  In the protocol service
indication, SCSI command received parameter list Task Address should be Task
Identifier.

Charles Monia moved and Bob Snively seconded that SAM rev 17 as modified at
this meeting to include several editorial corrections and the correction in
clause 5.3 (resulting in rev 18), which resolves the first public review
comments, be forwarded to X3 for further processing (second public review).
The motion passed 39:0:0:17.

Charles Monia took an action item to prepare SAM rev 18 for forwarding to
second public review.  John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward SAM rev 18
to X3 for further processing (second public review).

      10.3  Results of Letter Ballot on recommending Formation of an ATA TC

John described the letter ballot results for the recommendation to X3 that a
new TC be formed to deal with matters regarding ATA.  The results can be found
in document 95-034r2.

Gene Milligan moved that X3T10 accept the resolution to the letter ballot
comments, document 95-282.  Joe Chen seconded the motion.  A request was duly
made for a roll-call vote.  The motion passed 19:11:9:17 (=56) as follows:

Organization                 Person                     S Yes No Abs NP

3M Company                   Mr. Alan R. Olson          P   1
Adaptec, Inc.                Mr. Norm Harris            P   1
Advanced Micro Devices       Mr. Ron Apt                P          1
Amdahl Corp.                 Mr. Edward Fong            P   1
AMP, Inc.                    Mr. Charles Brill          P             1
Amphenol Interconnect        Mr. Michael Wingard        P          1
Ancot Corp.                  Mr. Jan V. Dedek           P   1
Apple Computer               Mr. Ron Roberts            A   1
Burr-Brown Corp.             Mr. Dennis R. Haynes       P             1
BusLogic                     Mr. Clifford E. Strang Jr. P   1
Ciprico Inc.                 Mr. Gerry Johnsen          P             1
Circuit Assembly Corp.       Mr. Ian Morrell            P             1
Cirrus Logic Inc.            Mr. Joe Chen               P   1
CMD Technology               Mr. Edward Haske           P             1
Congruent Software, Inc.     Mr. Peter Johansson        P      1
Conner Peripherals           Mr. Michael Bryan          P      1
Dallas Semiconductor         Mr. Louis Grantham         P   1
Digital Equipment Corp.      Mr. Charles Monia          P      1
Eastman Kodak Co.            Mr. Robert Reiseh          P   1
ENDL                         Mr. I. Dal Allan           P   1
Exabyte Corp.                Mr. Edward Lappin          P          1
FSI Consulting Services      Mr. Gary R. Stephens       P   1
Fujitsu Computer Products,Am Mr. Kevin R. Pokorney      A          1
Future Domain Corp.          Mr. Mark Woithe            P             1
Hewlett Packard Co.          Mr. Stephen Holmstead      P      1
Hitachi Micro Systems, Inc.  Mr. S. Nadershahi          P   1
Honda Connectors             Mr. David McFadden         P             1
IBM Corp.                    Mr. Dan Colegrove          A   1
IIX Consulting               Mr. Duncan Penman          P   1
Iomega Corp.                 Mr. Geoffrey Barton        P             1
Linfinity Micro              Mr. Dean Wallace           P             1
Madison Cable Corp.          Mr. Robert Bellino         P             1
Maxtor Corp.                 Mr. Pete McLean            P      1
Methode Electronics, Inc.    Mr. Bob Masterson          P             1
Molex Inc.                   Mr. Joe Dambach            P             1
NEC Technologies             Mr. Chris D'Iorio          P   1
Oak Technology, Inc.         Mr. Wayne Baldwin          A   1
Panasonic Technologies, Inc  Mr. Stephen F. Heil        P             1
QLogic Corp.                 Mr. Skip Jones             P      1
Quantum Corp.                Mr. James McGrath          P   1
Seagate Technology           Mr. Gene Milligan          P      1
Sequoia Advanced Tech., Inc. Mr. Thomas 'Rick' Tewell   P             1
Silicon Systems, Inc.        Mr. Stephen G. Finch       P             1
Sony Corp. of America        Mr. Dick Scheel            A#  1
Storage Technology Corp.     Mr. Erich Oetting          P          1
Sun Microsystems Computer Co Mr. Robert N. Snively      P      1
Symbios Logic Inc.           Mr. John Lohmeyer          P          1
SyQuest Technology, Inc.     Mr. Patrick Mercer         P      1
Tandem Computers             Mr. John Moy               P          1
Thomas & Betts               Mr. Harvey Waltersdorf     P             1
Trimm Technologies           Mr. Gary M. Watson         P      1
UNISYS Corporation           Mr. Arlan P. Stone         A          1
Unitrode Integrated Circuits Mr. Paul D. Aloisi         P      1
Western Digital Corporation  Mr. Tom Hanan              A#  1
Woven Electronics            Mr. Doug Piper             P             1
Zadian Technologies          Mr. Dennis P. Moore        P          1

                                                  Totals:  19 11   9 17 = 56

The following reasons were offered for the no votes.  Gene Milligan voted no
because the responses failed to respond to the issues raised.  Bob Snively and
Charles Monia agreed with the opinion expressed by Gene.  In addition, Charles
specifically objected to the non-responsive nature of the response to comment
1.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward the comments resolutions
document, roll-call vote results, and reasons for no votes to X3 OMC for their
consideration.

      10.4  Results of Letter Ballots on 10 Project Proposals

Ken Hallam described the letter ballots comments resolutions processed by
X3T10.1.  He noted that all the comments resolutions were accepted unanimously
by X3T10.1.  The comments resolutions can be found in X3T10/95-283r0.

Ken Hallam moved and Gene Milligan seconded that document X3T10/95-283r0 be
accepted as the resolution of comments on the project proposals for SSA-PH1,
SSA-PH2, SSA-TL1, SSA-TL2, SSA-S2P, and SSA-S3P and that the revised project
proposals be forwarded to X3.  The motion passed 31:0:0:25.

Gene Milligan changed his letter ballot no vote to a yes on the SCSI-2 mapping
document.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward the revised project proposals for
SSA-PH1, SSA-PH2, SSA-TL1, SSA-TL2, SSA-S2P, and SSA-S3P to X3 for further
processing.

Bob Snively moved and Ron Roberts seconded that document X3T10/95-278r0 be
accepted as the resolution of comments on the project proposal for FCP-2 and
that the revised project proposal be forwarded to X3.  The motion passed
34:0:0:22.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward the revised project proposal for
FCP-2 to X3 for further processing.

Paul Aloisi moved and Erich Oetting seconded that document X3T10/95-280r0 be
accepted as the resolution of comments on the project proposals for SPI-2 and
EPI and that the revised project proposals be forwarded to X3. The motion
passed 33:0:0:23.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward revised project proposals for SPI-
2 and EPI to X3 for further processing.

For the information of the committee, Gene noted that the votes on the ATA+PI
resolution recommendations is contained in his report.

Dal Allan moved and Gene Milligan seconded that document X3T10/95-281r0 be
accepted as the resolution of comments on the project proposal for ATA+PI and
that the revised project proposals be forwarded to X3. The motion passed
30:2:0:24.  Gene Milligan explained that his no vote is based on the rejection
of Seagate's comment number three.

Upon acceptance of the comments resolutions, Dal Allan changed his letter
ballot no vote to a yes.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward revised project proposal for
ATA+PI to X3 for further processing.

      10.5  Vendor-specific mode page codes for tapes (95-221r1) [Weber]

Ralph Weber moved and Ted Lappin seconded that 95-221r1 be accepted for
incorporation into SCSI-3.  The motion passed unanimously.

      10.6  Power Condition mode page (95-222r1) [Weber]

Gene Milligan moved that 95-222r2 be accepted with the additional note that
X3T10 intends that 0Dh be described in SBC as a non-preferred version of 1Ah.
George Penokie seconded the motion.

The committee expressed a strong desire that SBC devices be allowed continued
use of the 0Dh mode page code for the power condition mode page.  Ralph
explained that this is the intention of the proposal.  Instead of word-
smithing the proposal, the committee instructed the editors to allow 0Dh but
clearly indicate that 1Ah is the preferred mode page code.  The committee
assigned an action item to Rick Tewell to document the usage of the 0Dh mode
page code in SBC as per the wishes of X3T10.

After discussion, the motion passed unanimously.

11.         ISO Report [Milligan]

Gene Milligan, the X3T10 International Representative, gave an oral report and
provided the following electronic report:

                                  ISO Report
                                 10 July 1995
                                       
The principal ISO items to report concern the meeting of SC 25 and WG 4 in
Montreal in June.  Proposals for NWI ballots were reviewed for twenty-one
projects: Two for FDDI; Six for SCSI;  One for ATA; Two for HIPPI; and Ten for
FC. WG 4 agreed to draft resolutions to authorize relevant CD letter ballots
and DIS registrations upon receipt of the relevant contributions. In addition
three surveys were requested.

WG 4 encouraged the members of  SC 25 to indicate your willingness to
contribute to the development of New Work Items within the scope of WG 4, just
as they do in the plenary meetings, for all those proposed New Work Items
which the member body is not in opposition. WG 4 noted that they expect to be
able to apply the necessary resources for the completion of the work and they
appreciate the review by the member bodies during the CD and DIS ballots.

Publication of  two additional International Standards were completed for FDDI
Hybrid Ring Control (HRC) and the High Performance Peripheral Interface (HIPPI-
PH). This brings the total of published standards under the scope of WG4 to
twelve not counting those that have been subsequently withdrawn.

The survey on the preferred course of action for the FDDI to Synchronous
Optical Network (SONET) Physical Layer Mapping Function (FDDI SPM) will close
in July.

It was agreed to draft a resolution that one project on DIS 9318-5 IPI-2 Tape
be discontinued

The working group also reviewed the liaison reports with other organizations.
In particular they had very helpful presentations from Michel de Vecchis
concerning IEC TC 46 and IEC TC  86 and from Ed Kelly.

Numerous other agenda items were completed as reflected in the forty three
resolutions offered on behalf of WG 4 and passed by SC 25. Further reference
to the work is contained in the WG 4 minutes and its registry of  twenty-six
Montreal documents.

The resolutions were:

Resolution WG 4/1
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit FDDI PMD-ATS to the SC 25
Secretariat as ISO/IEC DIS 9314-20 for circulation, along with the Disposition
of Comments (if any) Report, to SC 25 and ITTF for registration as a DIS for a
four-month ballot upon successful completion of the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/2
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit FDDI LCF-PMD to the SC 25
Secretariat as ISO/IEC DIS 9314-9 for circulation, along with the Disposition
of Comments (if any) Report, to SC 25 and ITTF for registration as a DIS for a
four-month ballot upon successful completion of the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/3
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit FDDI MAC-ATS to the SC 25
Secretariat as ISO/IEC DIS 9314-26 for circulation, along with the Disposition
of Comments (if any) Report, to SC 25 and ITTF for registration as a DIS for a
four-month ballot upon successful completion of the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/4
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the proposed NWI JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4
N633 for a three part FDDI SMT-2 standard (FDDI Station Management -2 Common
Services (CS), Isochronous Services (IS), and Packet Services (PS)) to the JTC
1 Secretariat for a NWI ballot.

Resolution WG 4/5
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4 N632 FDDI
Station Management -2 Common Services (CS) as a CD ballot. It further
instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of the CD ballot if the
result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/6
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit FDDI SMT-2-CS to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/7
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4 N635 FDDI
Station Management -2 Isochronous Services (IS) as a CD ballot. It further
instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of the CD ballot if the
result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/8
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit FDDI SMT-2-IS to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/9
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4 N634 FDDI
Station Management -2 Packet Services (PS) as a CD ballot. It further
instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of the CD ballot if the
result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/10
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit FDDI SMT-2-PS to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/11
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the proposed NWI JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4
Montreal 6 for a FDDI Twisted Pair Physical Layer Medium Dependent (TP-PMD)
standard along with JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4 N631 Patent Addendum for the NWI to the
JTC 1 Secretariat for a NWI ballot.

Resolution WG 4/12
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4 N630 FDDI
Twisted Pair Physical Layer Medium Dependent (TP-PMD) as a CD ballot. It
further instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of the CD ballot if
the result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/13
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit FDDI TP-PMD to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/14
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to issue a survey among its national bodies
requesting input on the following topic:
* Is there a continued interest in completing the publication of ISO/IEC
Enhanced Small Device Interface (ESDI) (project 25.13.10.12)? If there is
continued interest is any national body willing to provide a new project
editor to complete the resolution of DIS letter ballot comments and to prepare
the final text?
If the outcome is negative, the secretariat is instructed to take the
necessary steps to withdraw the project.

Resolution WG 4/15
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the proposed NWI JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4
N645 for a SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) standard to the JTC 1 Secretariat
for a NWI ballot.

Resolution WG 4/16
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI)
upon receipt of a later revision to JTC 1/SC 25 N 644 Revision 15 as a CD
ballot. It further instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of the
CD ballot if the result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/17
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit SCSI-3 SPI to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/18
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the proposed NWI JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4
N637 for a SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) standard to the JTC 1 Secretariat
for a NWI ballot.

Resolution WG 4/19
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4 N644 SCSI-3
Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) as a CD ballot. It further instructs its Secretariat
to disregard the results of the CD ballot if the result of the NWI ballot is
negative.

Resolution WG 4/20
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit SCSI-3 SBP to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/21
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the proposed NWI JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4
N641 for a SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) standard to the JTC 1 Secretariat
for a NWI ballot.

Resolution WG 4/22
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM)
upon receipt of a later revision to JTC 1/SC 25 N 640 Revision 16 as a CD
ballot. It further instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of the
CD ballot if the result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/23
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit SCSI-3 SAM to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/24
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the proposed NWI JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4
N643 for a SCSI-3 Fast-20 standard to the JTC 1 Secretariat for a NWI ballot.

Resolution WG 4/25
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate SCSI-3 Fast-20 upon receipt of a
later revision to JTC 1/SC 25 N 642 Revision 5 as a CD ballot. It further
instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of the CD ballot if the
result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/26
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit SCSI-3 Fast-20 to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/27
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the proposed NWI JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4
N647 for a SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) standard to the JTC 1 Secretariat
for a NWI ballot.

Resolution WG 4/28
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC)
upon receipt of a later revision to JTC 1/SC 25 N 646 Revision 4 as a CD
ballot. It further instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of the
CD ballot if the result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/29
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit SCSI-3 SCC to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/30
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit to the SC 25 Secretariat ISO/IEC
DIS 14165-1 FC-PH, along with the Disposition of Report, for registration as a
DIS for a four-month ballot.

Resolution WG 4/31
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the proposed NWI JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4
N639 for a SCSI-3 Fibre Channel Protocol (FCP) standard to the JTC 1
Secretariat for a NWI ballot.

Resolution WG 4/32
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate SCSI-3 Fibre Channel Protocol
(FCP) upon receipt of a later revision to JTC 1/SC 25 N 638 Revision 10 as a
CD ballot. It further instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of
the CD ballot if the result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/33
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit SCSI-3 FCP to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/34
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to ask the UK national body, as the
originator, if there is interest in the confirmation of Eurobus A or will
withdrawal of IS 6951:1986 be supported.

Resolution WG 4/35
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit a proposed NWI for a AT Attachment
standard, upon receipt of a revised replacement, from the US national body,
for JTC 1 N 2443, to the JTC 1 Secretariat for a NWI ballot.

Resolution WG 4/36
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to  circulate an ATA text upon receipt of  a
replacement for JTC 1/SC 25/WG 4 DenHaag 20 as a CD ballot. It further
instructs its Secretariat to disregard the results of the CD ballot if the
result of the NWI ballot is negative.

Resolution WG 4/37
SC 25 authorizes the project editor to submit the ATA text to the SC 25
Secretariat, along with the Disposition of Comments (if any) Report, for
registration as a DIS for a four-month ballot upon successful completion of
the CD ballot.

Resolution WG 4/38
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to issue a survey among its national bodies
requesting input on the following topic:
* Is there interest in the development of an ISO/IEC standard for a common
SCSI access method? If there is interest, do the national bodies agree that
the desirable subcommittee to progress this work would be SC 25 in view of
their SCSI expertise, in cooperation with the subcommittee responsible for
computer operating systems?

Resolution WG 4/39
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to withdraw 9318-5 Intelligent Peripheral
Interface (IPI) Device-specific tape commands and to take the necessary steps
to close the project.

Resolution WG 4/40
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the following proposed NWIs to the
JTC 1 Secretariat for  NWI ballots:
   HIPPI ATM
   HIPPI SE

Resolution WG 4/41
SC 25 instructs its Secretariat to submit the following proposed NWIs to the
JTC 1 Secretariat for  NWI ballots:
   FC PH2
   FC FG
   FC LE
   FC SW
   FC AL
   FC GS
   FC PH3
   FC ATM
   FC FP
   FC SB

Resolution WG 4/42
SC 25 instructs its secretariat to appoint Mr. Milligan liaison to TC 46, TC
48, and TC 86 for JTC 1/SC 25/ WG 4 activity.

Resolution WG 4/43
WG 4 thanks the Standards Council of Canada along with their Canadian sponsors
(Northern Telecom, Digital, BNR, Siemens, Bell Canada, Conseil quebecois de la
domotique, CABA, Mitel, CSA, Hydro-Quebec, Alactel, Industry Canada Natural
Resources Canada Treasury Board Secretariat, and Gouvernement du Quebec
Minitere de l' Industrie, du Commerce, de la Science et de la Technologie) for
their kind hospitality, the excellent meeting arrangements, and the ambiance
of Montreal which has contributed so much to our successful meeting.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to add an agenda item to determine the X3T10
recommendation regarding continuation of the international ESDI project.

Larry Lamers took an action item to prepare a printed copy of the SPI revision
15a for the IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.

Charles Monia took an action item to prepare a printed copy of the SAM
revision 18 for the IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.

Larry Lamers took an action item to prepare a printed copy of FAST-20 revision
6 for the IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.

George Penokie took an action item to prepare a printed copy of the SCC
revision 6 for the IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.

Bob Snively took an action item to prepare a printed copy of the FCP revision
12 for the IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to add an agenda item covering possible
generation of new ISO work items concerning ATA and ATAPI.

John Lohmeyer took an action item to add an agenda item covering possible
submission of CAM to ISO.

John thanked Gene and Larry for their hard work at the ISO meeting in
Montreal.

12.         Liaison Reports

      12.1  X3T11 Liaison Report [Cummings]

X3T11  met  on  June  14,  1995  with  84 people  in  attendance.  Two  member
organizations  lost  membership because of failure to  return  Letter  Ballots
(Raytheon  and  Vitesse),  one lost membership for failure  to  pay  fees  (E-
Systems),  and  four  were added (Fujitsu, Panasonic,  McDonnell-Douglas,  EMF
Associates). The membership of X3T11 is now 59 organizations.

The  results  of two X3T11 LBs were announced. The Letter Ballot  on  HIPPI-FC
(Rev  4.1)  for  a  first  Public Review passed  with  F46-O00-DNV12  (1  with
comments).  The  Letter Ballot on FC-GS (Rev 1.5) for a  first  Public  Review
passed with F42-O01-DNV15 (4 with comments).

X3T11  recommended to JTC 1 TAG to take a position of approval of DIS  11518-2
(HIPPI-FP), 11518-3 (HIPPI-LE) and 11518-6 (HIPPI-SC) by identical  roll  call
votes of F44-O00-DNV15

HIPPI-FC  Revision  4.2  (including changes resulting from  the  X3T11  Letter
Ballot comments) was forwarded for a First Public Review by roll call vote  of
F43-O00-DNV16.

A   motion  to  withdraw  HIPPI  Serial  Standard  Project  Proposal,  and  to
simultaneously request that Project 1117-DT be converted to 1117-D, passed  by
a roll call vote of F43-O00-DNV15.

The FC-0 Ad Hoc group reported two serious issues:

  1)  Changes  have been noted in the IEC standard for SC connector  regarding
mechanical dimensions of ferrule tip. This may have compatibility issues  with
existing plant.

  2)  Issues  have been discovered during large-scale component  manufacturing
regarding  jitter and the techniques used to measure it. An Ad Hoc group  will
be urgently addressing this issue over the next few months.

A  change in scope for FC Switched Fabric (FC-SW) project was rejected and the
target  date  for forwarding a draft corresponding to the original  scope  was
slipped to February 1996.

The  Responses to the comments from the Arbitrated Loop (FC-AL)  first  Public
Review  were approved by a vote of F45-O00-DNV14. An X3T11 Letter  Ballot  was
authorized  on forwarding FC-AL Revision 4.5 for an OMC Review  and  a  second
Public Review if necessary.

A  draft  for the FC Link Encapsulation project (FC-LE, Rev 0.91) was reviewed
in  detail in an Ad Hoc meeting before the Plenary. A Draft for forwarding  is
still expected in August 1995.

The  editorship issues for the FC Implementation Guide (FC-IG) are still being
worked  with IBM. Again, any volunteers to help with the final editing of  the
draft for this project would be welcome.

An  X3T11  Letter Ballot on a draft for the 10 bit interface Technical  Report
project was also authorized.

The  next  meeting of X3T11 is on August 9 at the Marriott Hotel in Tarrytown,
NY.  The  phone  number for the hotel is (914) 631-2200 (note that  the  phone
number given in the first Meeting Announcements was in error).

      12.2  SFF Industry Group [Allan]

The SFF liaison report can be found in document 95-292.

      12.3  IEEE P1394 [Marazas]

Larry Lamers reported that the P1394 comments have been resolved and the
document is being sent to IEEE.

      12.4  IEEE P1285 Status [Pak]

John read the P1285 liaison report, found in document 95-279r0.  Peter
Johanssen complained that the following item in the report is incorrect:

      * Isochronous support in P1285 has been used in P1394 to achieve
        a disk drive capability that supports both asynchronous and
        isochronous activity.

Peter stated that P1394 has definitely not adopted anything from P1285.  Bob
Snively questioned other aspects of the liaison report.

      12.5  PCMCIA Report [McLean]

Pete McLean reported that the last PCMCIA meeting was two weeks ago.  The
meeting attendance was very low.  The major activity is development of an
errata for the document that went out recently.

13.         Review of Action Items

84)   George Penokie will prepare a document (probably a technical report)
      describing the SPI fairness algorithm.
96)   Gene Milligan will provide a letter describing the Seagate patent
      policy.
97)   Alan Olsen will review the REPORT DENSITY proposal with QIC.
98)   John Lohmeyer will forward SCC rev 6 to X3 for further processing
      (second public review).
99)   John Lohmeyer will forward FCP rev 12 to X3 for further processing
      (second public review).
100)  Charles Monia will prepare SAM rev 18 for forwarding to second public
      review.
101)  John Lohmeyer will forward SAM rev 18 to X3 for further processing
      (second public review).
102)  John Lohmeyer will forward the ATA TC comments resolutions document (95-
      282), roll-call vote results, and reasons for no votes to X3 OMC for 
      their consideration.
103)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised project proposals for SSA-PH1,
      SSA-PH2, SSA-TL1, SSA-TL2, SSA-S2P, and SSA-S3P to X3 for further
      processing.
104)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised project proposal for FCP-2 to X3
      for further processing.
105)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised project proposals for SPI-2 and
      EPI to X3 for further processing.
106)  John Lohmeyer will forward the revised project proposal for ATA+PI to
      X3 for further processing.
107)  Gene Milligan will draft a letter to X3 describing the problems with
      current ANSI patent policies with respect to Technical Reports.
108)  John Lohmeyer will add an agenda item to determine the X3T10
      recommendation regarding continuation of the international ESDI project.
109)  Larry Lamers will prepare a printed copy of the SPI revision 15a for
      the IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.
110)  Charles Monia will prepare a printed copy of the SAM revision 18 for
      the IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.
111)  Larry Lamers will prepare a printed copy of FAST-20 revision 6 for the
      IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.
112)  George Penokie will prepare a printed copy of the SCC revision 6 for
      the IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.
113)  Bob Snively will prepare a printed copy of the FCP revision 12 for the
      IR to forward to SC25 for CD ballot.
114)  John Lohmeyer will add an agenda item covering possible generation of
      new ISO work items concerning ATA and ATAPI.
115)  John Lohmeyer will add an agenda item covering possible submission of
      CAM to ISO.
116)  Rick Tewell will document the usage of the 0Dh mode page code in SBC as
      per the wishes of X3T10 expressed in item 10.6 of the meeting #10 
      minutes.
117)  X3T10.1 will produce a recommendation of how to represent the SSA
      roadmap in the SCSI-3 roadmap.

14.         Meeting Schedule

The next plenary meeting of X3T10 will be September 14, 1995, in Bedford, NH,
at the Sheraton Tara Wayfarer Inn (603-622-3766), hosted by Digital Equipment
Corp.  The meeting will begin at 1:00 p.m. on Thursday.

Gene Milligan moved that the September X3T10 Plenary start at 9am instead of
1pm and that the SFF meeting start after the X3T10 Plenary.  Skip Jones
seconded the motion.  After extensive debate, the motion failed 10:13.

The meeting list for the next plenary week is:

                           September '95 Meeting Map

Monday 9/11        9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===============================+
                   | SPI-2 and EPI Study Group     |                  (30)
                   +===============+===============+
                                   |High Avail. SG |                  (20)
                                   +===============+

Tuesday 9/12       9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   |  SCSI-3 WG                                |      (40)
                   +===============+===========================+
                   |  CAM-3 WG     |   SBP WG      |                  (10)
                   +===============+===============+

Wednesday 9/13     9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   | SCSI-3 WG                                 |      (40)
                   +===============+===========================+
                   | System Issues | MMC Working Group |              (25)
                   +===============+===================+
                   |SFF Form Factor| SFF/VHDCI WG      |              (40)
                   +---------------+-------------------+

Thursday 9/14      9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9
                   +---------------+===============================+
                   |  SFF          | X3T10 Plenary                 |  (40/80)
                   +===============+===============================+
                   |  SSC/SMC WG   |                                  (10)
                   +===============+

Friday 9/15    8   9   10  11  12

                   (No meetings planned for Friday)

    Meetings marked with == are X3T10-authorized meetings.
    Meetings marked with -- are authorized by other groups and may change
    without notice.

Meeting Map Abbreviation Key:
ATA:              AT Attachment (a.k.a. IDE)
ATA-2:            ATA Extensions
ATA-3:            Third Generation ATA
ATAPI:            ATA Packet Interface
CAM:              Common Access Method
CAM-3:            Next generation CAM for SCSI-3 (was called CAM-2)
ESPC:             Expanded System Physical Configuration
Fast-20:          Synchronous Data Transfer at 20 Megatransfers/second
FC-AL:            Fibre Channel - Arbitrated Loop (an X3T11 project)
I/F:              Interface
High Avail.:      High Availability
LB:               Letter Ballot
MMC:              SCSI-3 Multimedia Commands (CD-ROM)
P1394:            IEEE Project on High Performance Serial Bus (not an X3
activity)
PH:               Physical (Connectors, Cables, Transceivers, etc.)
Plenary:          Full Committee Meeting
RAB:              RAID Advisory Board (not an X3 activity)
RAID:             Redundant Array of Independent Devices
SBP:              SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (for 1394)
SCC:              SCSI-3 Controller Commands (RAID)
SCSI:             Small Computer System Interface
SFF:              SFF Industry Group (not an X3 activity)
SG:               Study Group
SMC:              SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands
SPI2:             Second Generation SCSI-3 Parallel Interface
SSA:              Serial Storage Interface
SSC:              SCSI-3 Stream Commands (includes Tape)
SSP:              Serial Storage Protocol (Protocol for SSA)
UIG:              User Interest Group (not an X3 activity)
VHDCI             Very High Density Cabled Interconnect
WG:               Working Group (same as Ad Hoc Group)
X3T10:            Lower Level Interfaces Technical Committee (was X3T9.2)
X3T10.1:          SSA Task Group of X3T10 (was X3T9.7)


Several other X3T10 events are also planned:

Event                Day/Date      Time     Location/contact
-------------------- -----------   -------- ----------------------------------
----
SBP Working Group    Tu 8/15-16    9 am     Sony in San Jose/Roberts
MMC Working Group    We 8/2-3      9 am     Philips in Sunnyvale/Roberts
MMC Working Group    Tu 10/3-4     9 am     WD in Irvine, CA/Roberts
ATA Working Group    Tu 7/18-20    9 am     Red Lion in San Jose/McGrath
ATA Working Group    We 8/23-25    9 am     Crown Sterling Suites
Milpitas/McGrath
ATA Working Group    We 9/20-22    9 am     Crown Sterling Suites
Milpitas/McGrath
ATA Working Group    We 10/18-20   9 am     Phoenix in Irvine, CA/
ATA Working Group    We 11/29-12/1 9 am     WD in Irvine, CA/
SPI-2 Study Group    Mo 8/14       9 am     Red Lion in Denver, CO/Lohmeyer
SI Study Group       last 1/2 day of each ATA Working Group, beginning August
25

For more information about X3T10 activities, please contact the following
people:

Activity                     Contact        Telephone/Email
---------------------------- -------------- ------------------------------
ATA-2                        Steve Finch    (714) 573-6808
                                            steve.finch at tus.ssi1.com
ATA-3 & ATAPI                Gene Milligan  (405) 324-3070
                                            Gene_Milligan at notes.seagate.com
CAM                          Bill Dallas    (603) 881-2508
                                            dallas at wasted.enet.dec.com
FCP                          Robert Snively (415) 336-5332
                                            Bob.Snively at eng.sun.com
GPP                          Gary Stephens  (602) 321-1725
                                            6363897 at mcimail.com
SAM                          Charles Monia  (508) 841-6757
                                            monia at starch.enet.dec.com
SBC and SGC                  Thomas Tewell  (415) 459-7978
                                            thomas.tewell at seqadvtech.com
SBP and MMC                  Ron Roberts    (408) 432-4322
                                            rkroberts at aol.com
SIP, SCC                     George Penokie (507) 253-5208
                                            gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
SMC                          Erich Oetting  (303) 673-2178
                                            Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
SPC                          Ralph Weber    (603) 881-1497
                                            roweber at acm.org
SPI,Fast-20,& SSA-xxx        Larry Lamers   (408) 957-7817
                                            ljlamers at aol.com
SSA-S2P & -S3P               John Scheible  (512) 823-8208
                                            Scheible at vnet.ibm.com
SSC                          Edward Lappin  (303) 447-7718
                                            tedl at exabyte.com
System Issues                Duncan Penman  (408) 730-2565
                                            penman at netcom.com
Other Activities             John Lohmeyer  (719) 573-3362
                                            john.lohmeyer at symbios.com

The long-term X3T10 meeting week schedule is:

Date              Location                   Host/Comments
--------------- ------------------------       --------------------------
Sep 10-15, 1995   Manchester, NH             Digital
Nov  5-10, 1995   Palm Springs, CA           Western Digital
Jan  8-12, 1996   Dallas, TX                 Quantum
Mar 11-15, 1996   Newport Beach, CA          QLogic
May  6-10, 1996   Ft. Lauderdale, FL         Adaptec
Jul 15-19, 1996   Colorado Springs, CO       Symbios Logic
Sep  9-13, 1996   Natick, MA (near Boston)   Digital
Nov  4- 8, 1996   Palm Springs, CA           Western Digital

      14.1  Authorization of Working Group Meetings

John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under the
same voting procedures as does X3T10 (that is, one vote per organization) and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee.  This
later requirement is why we have traditionally only used non-binding straw
polls in working group meetings.  Any issue where the voting rules would make
a difference should be deferred to the plenary group.  Nonetheless, task
groups and ad hoc groups should strive to achieve consensus prior to bringing
issues to X3T10.

In the absence of any objection, X3T10 authorized the X3T10-related meetings
and events in the list above.

15.         Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 6:50 p.m. on Thursday July 13, 1995.

                      Meeting Attendees -- Enclosure (1)

         Name          S        Organization         Electronic Mail Address
---------------------- -- ------------------------- -------------------------
Mr. Alan R. Olson      P  3M Company                arolson at mmm.com
Mr. Norm Harris        P  Adaptec, Inc.             nharris at eng.adaptec.com
Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers A# Adaptec, Inc.             ljlamers at aol.com
Mr. Ron Apt            P  Advanced Micro Devices    Ronald.Apt at amd.com
Mr. Edward Fong        P  Amdahl Corp.              esf10 at amail.amdahl.com
Mr. Michael Wingard    P  Amphenol Interconnect
Mr. Jan V. Dedek       P  Ancot Corp.               dedek at ancot.com
Mr. Ron Roberts        A  Apple Computer            rkroberts at aol.com
Mr. Dennis R. Haynes   P  Burr-Brown Corp.          haynes_dennis at bbrown.com
Mr. Clifford E. Strang P  BusLogic                  skip at buslogic.com
Jr.
Mr. Joe Chen           P  Cirrus Logic Inc.         chen at cirrus.com
Mr. Nicos Syrimis      A# Cirrus Logic Inc.         nicos at cirrus.com
Mr. Dhiru N. Desai     A# Cirrus Logic Inc.         ddesai at cirrus.com
Mr. Peter Johansson    P  Congruent Software, Inc.  pjohansson at aol.com
Mr. Paul Entzel        O  Conner                    paul.entzel at conner.com
Mr. Michael Bryan      P  Conner Peripherals        Mike.Bryan at conner.com
Mr. Louis Grantham     P  Dallas Semiconductor      grantham at dalsemi.com
Mr. Charles Monia      P  Digital Equipment Corp.   monia at shr.dec.com
Dr. William Ham        A# Digital Equipment Corp.   ham at subsys.enet.dec.com
Mr. Tom Coughlan       V  Digital Equipment Corp.   coughlan at star.enet.dec.co
                                                    m
Mr. Dave Race          O  Distributed Processing    Race at dpt.com
                          Tech.
Mr. Robert Reisch      P  Eastman Kodak Co.         reisch at sector.kodak.com
Mr. I. Dal Allan       P  ENDL                      2501752 at mcimail.com
Mr. Kenneth J. Hallam  A  ENDL                      70431.1202 at compuserve.com
Mr. Ralph O. Weber     A# ENDL Associate            roweber at acm.org
Mr. Edward Lappin      P  Exabyte Corp.             tedl at exabyte.com
Mr. Gary R. Stephens   P  FSI Consulting Services   6363897 at mcimail.com
Mr. Andy Chen          A# Fujitsu Computer Prods    achen at fcpa.fujitsu.com
                          Amer
Mr. Kevin R. Pokorney  A  Fujitsu Computer          pokorney at intellistor.com
                          Products,Am
Mr. Stephen Holmstead  P  Hewlett Packard Co.       stephen at mail.boi.hp.com
Mr. Anthony Yang       A# Hitachi America Ltd.      yang_a at halsp.hitachi.com
Mr. S. Nadershahi      P  Hitachi Micro Systems,    nnadersh at hitachi.com
                          Inc.
Mr. Thomas J. Kulesza  A  Honda Connectors
Mr. George Penokie     P  IBM Corp.                 gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Dan Colegrove      A# IBM Corp.                 colegrove at vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Duncan Penman      P  IIX Consulting            penman at netcom.com
Mr. Lansing Sloan      V  Lawrence Livermore Nat'l  ljsloan at llnl.gov
                          Lab
Mr. Robert Bellino     P  Madison Cable Corp.
Mr. Pete McLean        P  Maxtor Corp.              pete_mclean at maxtor.com
Mr. Bob Masterson      P  Methode Electronics, Inc. rwmast at aol.com
Mr. Jay Neer           A  Molex Inc.                jneer at usa.molex.com
Mr. Chris D'Iorio      P  NEC Technologies          CD-iorio at nectech.com
Mr. Peter Gossler      O  NSM Jukebox GmbH          73503.3467 at compuserve.com
Mr. Wayne Baldwin      A# Oak Technology, Inc.      wayneb at corp.oaktech.com
Mr. Kent Manabe        A# Panasonic
Mr. Skip Jones         P  QLogic Corp.              sk_jones at qlc.com
Mr. James McGrath      P  Quantum Corp.             JMCGRATH at QNTM.COM
Mr. Edward A. Gardner  A  Quantum Corp.             gardner at acm.org
Mr. Gene Milligan      P  Seagate Technology        Gene_Milligan at notes.seaga
                                                    te.com
Mr. Dick Scheel        A# Sony                      dicks at lsi.sel.sony.com
Mr. Erich Oetting      P  Storage Technology Corp.  Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
Mr. Roger Cummings     A  Storage Technology Corp.  Roger_Cummings at Stortek.co
                                                    m
Mr. Robert N. Snively  P  Sun Microsystems Computer bob.snively at eng.sun.com
                          Co
Mr. John Lohmeyer      P  Symbios Logic Inc.        john.lohmeyer at symbios.com
Mr. Patrick Mercer     P  SyQuest Technology, Inc.  patrick.mercer at syquest.co
                                                    m
Mr. John Moy           P  Tandem Computers          moy_john at tandem.com
Mr. Gary M. Watson     P  Trimm Technologies        trimm at netcom.com
Mr. Arlan P. Stone     A  UNISYS Corporation        arlan.stone at mv.unisys.com
Mr. Paul D. Aloisi     P  Unitrode Integrated       Aloisi at uicc.com
                          Circuits
Mr. Francesco Liburdi  O  Wearnsi Hollingsworth
Mr. Devon Worrell      A# Western Digital           worrell at dt.wdc.com
                          Corporation
Mr. Tom Hanan          A# Western Digital           hanan_t at a1.wdc.com
                          Corporation
Mr. Doug Piper         P  Woven Electronics         549.9900 at mcimail.com
Mr. Dennis P. Moore    P  Zadian Technologies       dmoore at netcom.com

64 People Present

Status Key:  P    -  Principal
             A,A# -  Alternate
             O    -  Observer
             L    -  Liaison
             V    -  Visitor




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