X3T10 Minutes (1/13/94)

John Lohmeyer jlohmeye at ncr-mpd.ftcollinsco.NCR.COM
Mon Feb 7 09:55:54 PST 1994


Accredited Standards Committee

                                                     Doc. No.: X3T10/94-016r2
                                                         Date: January 25, 1994
                                                      Project: 
                                                    Ref. Doc.: 
                                                     Reply to: John Lohmeyer

To:         Membership of X3T10

From:       Lawrence J. Lamers, Acting Secretary X3T10
            John B. Lohmeyer, Acting Chair X3T10

Subject:    Minutes of X3T10 Plenary Meeting #1
            San Diego, CA -- January 13, 1994


                                    Agenda


1.    Opening Remarks

2.    Approval of Agenda

3.    Attendance and Membership

4.    X3 Tutorial

5.    Approval of Minutes - November Meeting Colo Spgs, CO (X3T9.2/93-
      176r1)

6.    Document Distribution

7.    Call for Patents

8.    Review of Old Action Items

9.    Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports
   9.1   Project Status Summary [Lohmeyer]
   9.2   SCSI-2 Status [Lamers]
   9.3   SCSI Common Access Method (CAM) [Dallas]
   9.4   AT Attachment Status (ATA) [Lamers]
   9.5   ATA Extensions (ATA-2) [Finch]
   9.6   SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status [Monia]
   9.7   SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status [Lamers]
   9.8   SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status [Lamers]
   9.9   SCSI-3 Generic Packetized Protocol (GPP) Status [Stephens]
   9.10  SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status [Marazas]
   9.11  SCSI-3 Fiber Channel Protocol (FCP) Status [Snively]
   9.12  SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status [Weber]
   9.13  SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) [open]
   9.14  SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) [open]
   9.15  SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) [open]
   9.16  SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands (SMC) [open]
   9.17  Directly-Addressable Device Interface (DADI) []
   9.18  SCSI Common Access Method -2 (CAM-2) (93-082) [Dallas]
   9.19  SCSI-3 Serial Storage Protocol (SSP) [Scheible]
   9.20  SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) (93-130) [Hagerman]
   9.21  Replacement of ANSI X3.80-1988, Interfaces Between Flexible Disk
         Cartridges and Their Host Controllers, with ISO 9315:1989.
   9.22  RAID Study Group [Penokie]

10.   Old Business
   10.1  Technical Information Bulletins
   10.2  GPP: Standard or Technical Report? [Milligan] ()

11.   New Business
   11.1  X3T10 Subscription Mailing Program
   11.2  Review of new documents
   11.3  Task Set Basis Selection
   11.4  Delivery Mechanism Sequentiality
   11.5  SCC Project Proposal
   11.6  MMC Project Proposal

12.   ISO [Milligan]

13.   Liaison Reports
   13.1  X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Scheible]
   13.2  X3T9.3 Liaison Report [Cummings]
   13.3  Small Form Factor Industry Group [Allan]
   13.4  IEEE P1394 [Marazas]
   13.5  IT8 [Lohmeyer]
   13.6  IEEE P1285 Status [Pak]
   13.7  PCMCIA Report
   13.8  AIIM C21 [Podio]

14.   Review of Action Items

15.   Meeting Schedule
   15.1  Authorization of Working Group Meetings

16.   Adjournment



                              Results of Meeting

1.    Opening Remarks

John Lohmeyer, the Acting Chair, called the meeting to order at 1:00 p.m.,
Thursday January 13, 1994.  He thanked Rich Bailly of Vitro Corp. for
arranging and hosting the first meeting of X3T10.  John said that he had
copies of the call for volunteers to Chair X3T10 for anyone who wishes to
apply.

John said that X3 Subgroup Membership forms and X3T10 Mailing Subscription
form were available on the document table.  He said that people should use
the X3 forms to insure the X3 Secretariat has the latest membership
information.  The X3 Membership forms and the X3T10 Mailing Subscription
forms should be mailed to the X3 Secretariat.

He also announced that any eligible organization may join X3T10 at the
meeting by giving John a letter stating their interest in X3T10 and naming
the principal and alternate members.  Form letters were available for those
who forgot to bring a letter with them.

As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves and a copy of the
attendance list was circulated.  Copies of the draft agenda and general
information on X3T10 were made available to those attending.

2.    Approval of Agenda

The draft agenda was approved with the following additions:

11.3    Task Set Basis Selection
11.4    Delivery Mechanism Sequentiality
11.5    SCC Project Proposal
11.5    MMC Project Proposal

3.    Attendance and Membership

The membership requirements were reviewed.  X3 rules permit one vote per
organization.  An individual from a new organization must attend two out of
three consecutive plenary meetings.  He/she may apply for voting membership
the second meeting via a letter to the Chair of X3T10.  The individual may
vote at the second plenary meeting.  Working group meetings do not count
toward attendance requirements.  Since the meeting was the first meeting of
X3T10, it was a special case and those present were permitted to join without
prior attendance.

Organizations must also pay the X3 Service Fee ($300) to maintain membership. 
This year, the International Participation fee ($300) will be billed
separately directly from ANSI.

The X3 Secretariat will be invoicing all former X3T9.2 members for X3T10
membership.  Those that do not wish to join the new committee should return
their invoice marked "cancel".  New members of X3T10 who were not on the
X3T9.2 roster will receive an invoice eventually.

The initial X3T10 membership was 60 organizations.  Enclosure (1) is the list
of the people present at the meeting and enclosure (2) is the current X3T10
membership list.

4.    X3 Tutorial

Per the requirements in 4.6.2 of the Organization, Rules and Procedures of
X3 (SD-2), "Each newly formed TC shall establish time on its first agenda
prior to conducting any technical business for presentation of an overview
on X3 and its procedure."  John Hill of OMC was present to give the overview
(see X3T10/94-034).

5.    Approval of Minutes - November Meeting Colo Spgs, CO (X3T9.2/93-176r1)

The minutes were approved as written except that the motion regarding
postponement of consideration of the motion on changing GPP to a technical
report should have noted that the motion was postponed until January 13,
1994.  The minutes will not be re-distributed.

6.    Document Distribution

Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Katrina Gray at (202) 626-5741.

Larry Lamers requested that all documents for the next mailing must be sent
so as to be received by noon on Friday, January 21, 1994.  Documents received
after this date will go into a subsequent mailing.

Larry Lamers reminded the committee of the requirements for document
submission to be included in the committee mailing.  Since X3T10 meets its
document archiving requirements by including the X3 Secretariat on the
mailing list, documents included in the mailing must be suitable for
microfilming.  This means that high-quality, single-sided originals with
adequate margins and proper identification must be submitted.  Document
X3T9.2/92-84 R1 contains the list of requirements for submissions.

As usual, minutes are also available on the SCSI BBS (719-574-0424) and will
be distributed to the SCSI Reflector E-mail list.  To be added to the SCSI
Reflector, send an electronic message to: scsiadm at WichitaKS.NCR.COM.

The current document register is enclosure (3).

7.    Call for Patents

This is a regular agenda item to identify any potential patent issues with
developing standards.

A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge.  The last page
contains the ANSI patent policy.

X3 has recently approved two patent statements, one for the case where no
patents have been identified and another for the case where patent(s) have
been identified and the patent holder(s) have agreed to comply with the ANSI
patent policy.

Gene Milligan asked about a statement in the proposed SCSI-to-SSA mapping. 
John Scheible stated that the statement was only applicable to SSA physical
and will be removed from the proposed draft in the next revision.

8.    Review of Old Action Items

1)    John Lohmeyer will contact Marilyn Courtot regarding AIIM activity.
      Carry Over.
2)    John Lohmeyer will contact Fernando Podia regarding liaison reports. 
      Carry Over.

John Lohmeyer stated that for X3T10 action items would be numbered
sequentially without reusing previous numbers.

9.    Subgroup and/or Project Status Reports

9.1   Project Status Summary [Lohmeyer]

John Lohmeyer presented the current X3T10 project status summary.

9.2   SCSI-2 Status [Lamers]

John Lohmeyer reported that SCSI-2 was sent to the ANSI Board of Standards
Review and should be approved, but he had not yet seen the approval letter.

9.3   SCSI Common Access Method (CAM) [Dallas]

Ralph Weber reported.  Rev 5 has been prepared to address public review
comments.  There were significant editorial comments that need to be
reviewed.  The next working group will have expanded hours to deal with the
further editorial comments.  

Gene Milligan moved and Ralph Weber seconded that revision 5 be accepted as
the current working draft document for CAM.  The motion passed 35:0.

9.4   AT Attachment Status (ATA) [Lamers]

John Lohmeyer reported that ATA had passed its second public review and is
now ready for the X3 letter ballot.  The X3 Secretariat held up the ballot
waiting for X3T10 to incorporate the correct ANSI patent statement.  Since
no patents have been identified to date, the statement saying no patents have
been identified will be included by the technical editor and the document
will be released for X3 letter ballot.

9.5   ATA Extensions (ATA-2) [Finch]

The ATA extensions project is being driven to conclusion so that it can be
forwarded.

Project proposals for ATA-3 standards are being drafted.  ATA-3 will included
a layered document structure with faster transfer rates and added device type
support.

The first set of projects will deal with ATA-PH, ATA-XPT, ATA-BC, ATA-PI.

A reflector for ATA has been established.  Send an email to
majordomo at dt.wdc.com.  The email should contain a line in the body of the
message that states "subscribe ata yourinternetaddress".  Postings to the ATA
reflector should be sent to ata at dt.wdc.com.

9.6   SCSI-3 Architecture Model (SAM) Status [Monia]

Charles Monia reported responses have been prepared to the letter ballot
comments.  All responses will be or have been posted to the SCSI reflector.

There are two issues that need plenary action (see agenda items 11.3 and
11.4).

The next revision of SAM will be available prior to the next plenary. 
Charles will mail a copy of the document to anyone requesting it.  It most
likely will not be finished in time for the next mailing.

9.7   SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) Status [Lamers]

The SPI first public review is October 29, 1993 to February 26, 1994.  At its
September '93 meeting, X3T9.2 authorized its chairman to submit a public
review comment requesting that SCAM be incorporated into SPI as a normative
annex.

9.8   SCSI-3 Interlocked Protocol (SIP) Status [Lamers]

An editors meeting was held in December.  More work needs to be done. 
Another working group meeting will be scheduled.

9.9   SCSI-3 Generic Packetized Protocol (GPP) Status [Stephens]

Gary Stephens reported.  Several changes have been made to accommodate
comments received.  A revision is planned to be available at the next
meeting.

9.10  SCSI-3 Serial Bus Protocol (SBP) Status [Marazas]

Scott Smyers reported.  A working group meeting is scheduled for January 26,
1994 to resolve the letter ballot comments.

9.11  SCSI-3 Fiber Channel Protocol (FCP) Status [Snively]

Robert Snively reported.  Revision 7a is available and addresses all comments
received from the letter ballot.  Several items came to light in the review
at the last working group.  A revision 8 will be in the next mailing.

Bob requested a letter ballot be conducted to forward FCP in conjunction with
the next mailing.  The chair stated he would include a letter ballot if FCP
Rev 8 is available at the time of the mailing.

9.12  SCSI-3 Primary Commands (SPC) Status [Weber]

Ralph Weber reported.  An outline for the SPC document was in the mailing. 
A first draft will be available at the March meeting.  This topic will be on
the agenda for the next working group.

9.13  SCSI-3 Block Commands (SBC) [open]

A project editor is being sought.

9.14  SCSI-3 Stream Commands (SSC) [open]

Edward Lappin indicated that he is willing to act as project editor for the
SSC project.

9.15  SCSI-3 Graphics Commands (SGC) [open]

A project editor is being sought.

9.16  SCSI-3 Medium Changer Commands (SMC) [open]

A project editor is being sought.

9.17  Directly-Addressable Device Interface (DADI) []

No report.

9.18  SCSI Common Access Method -2 (CAM-2) (93-082) [Dallas]

This project is on hold until CAM-1 is ready to be returned to X3 for second
public review.

9.19  SCSI-3 Serial Storage Protocol (SSP) [Scheible]

John Scheible reported.  The project proposal is still in process.  A
proposal for an eventual working draft was in the last mailing.

9.20  SCSI-3 Controller Commands (SCC) (93-130) [Hagerman]

John Lohmeyer reported that while X3T9 did approve the SCC project proposal
in December, they failed to send it OMC for its meeting last week.  The
failure was due to misplacing the project proposal file.  Agenda item 11.5
was added to the agenda to re-forward the SCC project proposal to X3.

9.21  Replacement of ANSI X3.80-1988, Interfaces Between Flexible Disk
      Cartridges and Their Host Controllers, with ISO 9315:1989.

In April '93, X3T9.2 voted to recommend that simultaneous withdrawal of
X3.80-1988 and adoption of ISO 9315:1989 as an ANSI standard.  X3T9 accepted
this recommendation and voted to make the same recommendation to X3.  The
public review period began October 15, 1993 and closes February 13, 1994.

9.22  RAID Study Group [Penokie]

George Penokie reported.  Two meetings have occurred since the last plenary. 
The RAID model document has been revised.  An extended addressing proposal
has been developed and is stable.  It will be incorporated into the RAID
model.  

10.   Old Business

10.1  Technical Information Bulletins

Gary Stephens had prepared a TIB on the tape partition issue.  Folks are
advised to review it.  It is anticipated that a forwarding motion will be
taken as soon as SCSI-2 is approved.

10.2  GPP: Standard or Technical Report? [Milligan] ()

A motion on whether GPP should be a standard or technical report was
postponed until this meeting:

   Whereas having two I/O protocols for each SCSI physical interconnect is
   a problem for the industry although there may be some niche applications
   where GPP is useful,  Gene Milligan moved and Ed Gardner seconded that
   X3T9.2 take the appropriate steps to convert it from a dpANS and to
   publish it as a technical report. 

Neil Wanamaker moved and Jim McGrath seconded that the question be called. 
The motion passed: 22:8.

The main motion passed in a roll call vote:

Voting Organization       Name                        S Yes No Abs NP
------------------------- --------------------------- - --- -- --- --
3M Company                Mr. Alan R. Olson           P  1
AMP, Inc.                                             P             1
AT&T                      Mr. John Lohmeyer           P      1
Adaptec, Inc.             Mr. Norm Harris             P  1
Advanced Micro Devices    Mr. David Skinner           P  1
Amdahl Corp.              Mr. Neil T. Wanamaker       P      1
Ancot Corp.               Mr. Gary Porter             A      1
Apple Computer            Mr. Scott Smyers            P  1
BusLogic                  Mr. Clifford E. Strang Jr.  P  1
CMD Technology            Mr. Edward Haske            P  1
Ciprico Inc.              Mr. Gerry Johnsen           P      1
Circuit Assembly Corp.    Mr. Ian Morrell             A  1
Cirrus Logic Inc.         Mr. Dave Weber              A  1
Compaq Computer Corp.     Mr. Bill Galloway           P  1
Conner Peripherals        Mr. Joseph Wach             A  1
Dallas Semiconductor      Mr. Louis Grantham          P  1
Digital Equipment Corp.   Mr. Edward A. Gardner       A  1
Distributed Processing Te Mr. Tom Treadway            P  1
ENDL                      Mr. I. Dal Allan            P      1
Exabyte Corp.             Mr. Edward Lappin           P      1
FSI Consulting Services   Mr. Gary R. Stephens        P      1
Foxconn                                               P             1
Fujitsu                   Mr. Robert Liu              P  1
Future Domain Corp.       Mr. Mark Woithe             P  1
Harbor Electronics        Mr. Ray Kallio              P  1
Harting Electronik, Inc.                              P             1
Hewlett Packard Co.       Mr. Jeffrey L. Williams     P  1
Hitachi                   Dr. Sam Karunanithi         P  1
Honda Connectors                                      P             1
IBM Corp.                 Mr. George Penokie          P  1
Interphase Corp.          Mr. Varouj Der-Hacopian     A  1
JAE                       Mr. Guy R. Addis            A  1
Maxoptix Corp.            Ms. Donna Pope              P  1
Maxtor Corp.              Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers      A      1
Methode Electronics, Inc.                             P             1
Molex Inc.                Mr. Joe Dambach             P  1
NEC                       Mr. Bruce Anderson          P  1
National Semiconductor                                P             1
Oak Technology, Inc.                                  P             1
P. E. Logic Corp.                                     P             1
Pacific Electro Data Inc.                             P             1
Panasonic (Matsushita)    Mr. Charles I. Yang         A  1
Quantum Corp.             Mr. James McGrath           P  1
Rancho Technology, Inc.   Mr. Anuj Garg               A  1
Ricoh Corporation         Mr. Satwinder S. Mangat     A      1
Samsung Semiconductor     Mr. S. Jauher Zaidi         P  1
Seagate Technology        Mr. Gene Milligan           P  1
Silicon Systems, Inc.     Mr. Stephen G. Finch        P  1
Sony Electronics, Inc.    Mr. Mike Yokoyama           P  1
Storage Technology Corp.  Mr. Erich Oetting           P  1
Sun Microsystems, Inc.    Mr. Robert N. Snively       P  1
Tandem Computers          Mr. John Moy                P      1
Thomas & Betts                                        P             1
U.S. Design                                           P             1
UNISYS Corporation        Mr. Peter Dougherty         P      1
Unitrode                  Mr. Paul D. Aloisi          P  1
Western Digital Corporati Mr. Jeff Stai               P  1
Woven Electronics         Mr. Doug Piper              P  1

                          Totals:                       36  11  0  11  = 58

Note: The above tally is slightly different from the results tentatively
announced during the meeting.  Upon re-examining the membership list, it was
discovered that one observer organization erroneously was called during the
roll call (who voted in the affirmative).  This error was due to the inherent
difficulties in establishing the initial X3T10 membership and does not affect
the outcome of the vote.  Two organizations joined X3T10 after the roll call
vote was taken.


The chair requested a volunteer to revise the project proposal for GPP.  Gene
Milligan volunteered.

11.   New Business

11.1  X3T10 Subscription Mailing Program

Bob Snively moved and Jeff Williams seconded that X3T10 request the X3
Secretariat to initiate a Document Distribution Program for X3T10 and to
transfer the remaining funds from the X3T9.2 Document Distribution Program
to X3T10's fund.  The motion passed unanimously.

Steve Finch requested that consideration be given to combining the X3T10.1
task group mailing in the X3T10 mailing and allowing members of either
subgroup to subscribe to the combined mailing.  The chair stated he will
investigate the possibility.

11.2  Review of new documents

None.

11.3  Task Set Basis Selection

This item was added to the agenda at the request of the working group to
attempt resolution of this recurring topic.

Ralph Weber moved and Jeff Williams seconded that alternative task set
definitions (Annex A) be removed from SAM.  The motion carried 34:2.

11.4  Delivery Mechanism Sequentiality

Bob Snively moved and Scott Smyers seconded that in-order delivery not be 
required by SAM.  The motion carried 32:4.

11.5  SCC Project Proposal

Bob Snively moved and Steve Finch seconded that X3T10 forward the SCSI-3
Controller Commands project proposal (X3T10/94-035r0) to X3 for further
processing.  The motion carried 47:0:0:5.

11.6  MMC Project Proposal

Steve Finch moved and Jeff Stai seconded that X3T10 forward the SCSI-3 Multi-
Media Commands project proposal (X3T10/94-036r0) to X3 for further
processing.  The motion carried 47:0:0:5.

12.   ISO [Milligan]

Gene Milligan, the acting X3T10 International Representative, gave an oral
report.  The electronic report was as follows:

                             ISO Report
                            January 1994


The following is extracted from a letter sent by the IR to Walter
v. Pattay, Siemens Nixdorf: 

I have been trying to reach the SC 25 Secretariat for a while to
find out why nothing seems to have progressed since the June
meeting. When I called Barth the phone just rings without answer
and without voice mail. I was going to switch my enquiry to Prof.
Popovic this week to find out why we have heard nothing since the
meeting.

Last Thursday I heard a rumor that Hr. Barth had left Siemens and
that you had taken over  the Secretariat. So that added another
question to ask Prof. Popovic. I presume from your fax that the
rumor may be factual. So I will ask you the following questions,
instead of Popovic,  most of the questions  relate to the WG 4
report:

1) Would you please confirm what is the Status and Makeup of the SC
25 Secretariat. (Depending on the answer to this item please
address or ignore the following items.)

2) The FDDI HRC (Project 25.13.01.06) was submitted for ISO/IEC
publication. What is the publication status?

3) The ESDI  10 222 (Project 25.13.10.12) was submitted for ISO/IEC
publication. What is the publication status? This was a specific
resolved action item for the SC 25 Secretariat to check on from the
June meeting.

4) SCSI-2 9316-1 (was previously 10 288) (Project 25.13.10.12) was
to be issued as a DIS letter ballot. What is the status of the DIS
ballot?

5) IPI-6  (Project 25.13.10.14) was to be issued as 9318-6 CD 
letter ballot. What is the status of the CD ballot?

6) HIPPI-PH (Project 25.13.12.01) was to be issued as 11 518-1 DIS
letter ballot. What is the status of the DIS ballot?

7) HIPPI-FP (Project 25.13.12.02) was to be issued as 11 518-1 CD
letter ballot. What is the status of the CD ballot?

8) HIPPI-LE (Project 25.13.12.03) was to be issued as 11 518-1 CD
letter ballot. What is the status of the CD ballot?

9) FC-PH (Project 25.13.13.01) (WG 4 Den Haag 5) was to be issued
as a CD letter ballot. What is the status of the CD ballot? (Note:
If this CD has still not issued and if it would not cause much
further delay I could provide the latest X3T9 revision for the CD.)

Many of the questions have not yet been answered and it is not
known if Barth is still with Siemens. But Walter v. Pattay is the
new secretariat. He is now working down the backlog. As a first
step SCSI-2 has been processed and a DIS should now be forthcoming.
It seems reasonable to expect faster processing in the future.

13.   Liaison Reports

13.1  X3T10.1 Task Group Report [Scheible]

John Scheible reported orally.  See document 94-017 for details.

13.2  X3T9.3 Liaison Report [Cummings]

Roger Cummings provided the following report:

91 people attended the December X3T9.3 Plenary.  Final membership
in X3T9.3 was 45.

FC-PH Revision 4.2 is in Second Public Review, closing 2/15/94. 
FC-FP Revision 2.1 is in First Public Review, closing May 21,1994. 
FC-AL Revision 3.4 is in X3T9 Letter Ballot, closing 1/21/94.

HIPPI-ATM, FC-ATM, HIPPI-FP Amendement project proposals have beeen
approved.  FC-SB draft expected at 2/94 X3T11 Plenary for Letter
Ballot for First Public Review.

Activity starting in 2/94 on:
   Optical variants faster than 1062.5 megabaud
   Additional copper variants (e.g. STP-5)
   New features for FC-EP (fractional bandwidth etc.)

13.3  Small Form Factor Industry Group [Allan]

Dal Allan reported on the recent SFF activities.

The January meeting was held on Monday 1/10 at the Catamaran Hotel.

All documents being balloted passed, and the projects for >528MB and ATAPI
CD-ROM were approved.

The suggestion that the Unitized Parallel Connector (3-in-1) for Rack
Applications be dropped was opposed.  As a result of the discussion, it was
agreed that it is important to define the 3 1/2" from factor with the same
degree of precision as the 2 1/2". 

The call for a leader was met by Jay Neer, who volunteered to lead a SSWG
which will be held in the first week of February to consider the following:

 - Form factor of 3 1/2" drives
 - Extended form factor of 3 1/2" drives with Unitized Serial Connector
 -     "        "    "   " 2 1/2"    "     "     "      "       "
 -     "        "    "   " 5 1/4"    "     "     "      "       "
 - Placement of Serial Unitized Connector on 2 1/2" drives
 -     "        "    "   "      "       " 3 1/2" drives
 -     "        "    "   "      "       " 5 1/4" drives

An updated revision of the >528MB draft was presented by Hale Landis.

Bill Ham extended the description of the various wiring schemes (22 of 26 are
completed) between unlike connectors. 

ATAPI CD-ROM was distributed shortly before Christmas, and a SSWG will be
held in late January to address the remaining issues. 

13.4  IEEE P1394 [Marazas]

Scott Smyers reported.  The editing is on going - forwarding is expected in
March '94.  Sections 7 and 8 still need work.

13.5  IT8 [Lohmeyer]

No report.

13.6  IEEE P1285 Status [Pak]

Scott Smyers said that Dennis Pak had given him a report, which Scott had
forgotten to bring with him.  The report is in document 94-037.

13.7  PCMCIA Report

No report.

13.8  AIIM C21 [Podio]

No report.

14.   Review of Action Items

1)    John Lohmeyer will contact AIIM regarding AIIM activities.
2)    John Lohmeyer will contact Fernando Podia regarding liaison reports.
3)    Larry Lamers will incorporate the correct patent statement in the dpANS
      AT Attachment and will send a copy to the X3 Secretariat.
4)    On behalf of X3T10, John Lohmeyer will submit a public review comment
      against SPI requesting that SCAM be incorporated.
5)    John Lohmeyer to progress the SCC project proposal to X3.
6)    John Lohmeyer to progress the MMC project proposal to X3.
7)    John Lohmeyer to discuss combined TC/TG mailing with X3 Secretariat.
8)    Gene Milligan to revise project proposal on GPP.
9)    John Lohmeyer to contact the X3 Secretariat regarding electronic SDs.

15.   Meeting Schedule

The next plenary meeting of X3T10 will be March 17-18, 1994, in Newport
Beach, CA, at the Hyatt Newporter Hotel (714-729-1234), hosted by QLogic
Corporation.  The meeting will begin at 1:00 pm on Thursday and at 8:30 am
on Friday (if necessary).

The meeting list for the next plenary week is:

             Meeting Map -- March 14-18, 1994 -- Newport Beach, CA
                               (1/13/94 Version)

Sunday 3/13        9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5
                                     +=============+
                                     |Gen Edit Sess|              (10)
                                     +=============+

Monday 3/14        9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +-------------------+=======================+
                   | Small Form Factor | ATA Working Group     |  (40)
                   +-------------------+=======================+
                   | SCSI CAM Working Group                    |  (25)
                   +===========================================+

Tuesday 3/15       9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +---------------+===============+
                   | SSA-UIG       | X3T10.1 (SSA) |              (30)
                   +===============+===============+
                   | SBP LB Res    | P1394 Plenary |              (30)
                   +===============+---------------+
                   | RAID SG / RAB                 |              (40)
                   +===============================+
                   | P1394 Connector Task Group    |              (15)
                   +-------------------------------+

Wednesday 3/16     9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   | SCSI-3 WG                                 |  (55)
                   +===============================+===========+
                   | P1394 Plenary Meeting         |              (30)
                   +-------------------------------+

Thursday 3/17      9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +============+  +===========================+
                   | SSP WG     |  | X3T10 Plenary             |  (30/80)
                   +============+--+===========================+

Friday 3/18    8   9   10  11  12  1   2
                 +=====================+
                 | X3T10 Plenary       |                          (80)
                 +=====================+

Meetings marked with == are X3T10-authorized meetings.
Meetings marked with -- are authorized by other groups and may change
without notice.

Several other X3T10 events are also planned:
Event                           Day/Date  Time      Location/contact
------------------------------- --------- --------- -----------------------
ATA Working Group               Fri  1/28 9a - 5p   Milpitas/Finch
ATA Working Group               Wed  2/23 9a - 5p   Bay Area/Finch
ATA Working Group               Wed  3/30 9a - 5p   TBD/Finch
ATA-2 Editors Meeting           TBD                 TBD/Finch
MMC Study Group                 ~ 2/22 or 2/24      Bay Area/Harris
RAID Study Group                Tue  2/15 9a - 5p   Austin/Penokie

For more information about X3T10 activities, please contact the following
people:

Activity                     Contact        Telephone/Email
---------------------------- -------------- ------------------------------
CAM Working Group            Bill Dallas    (603) 881-2508
                                            dallas at wasted.enet.dec.com
ATA Working Group            Steve Finch    (714) 573-6808
                                            5723283 at mcimail.com
GPP Working Group            Gary Stephens  (602) 321-1725
                                            6363897 at mcimail.com
MMC Study Group              Norm Harris    (408) 945-8600 x2230
                                            nharris at adaptec.com
RAID Study Group             George Penokie (507) 253-5208
                                            gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
SAM Working Group            Charles Monia  (508) 841-6757
                                            monia at starch.enet.dec.com
SBP Working Group            Jerry Marazas  (407) 982-4423
                                            marazas at bcrvmpc2.vnet.ibm.com
SPI Contact                  Larry Lamers   (408) 432-4776
                                            71540.2756 at compuserve.com
SIP Contact                  Larry Lamers   (408) 432-4776
                                            71540.2756 at compuserve.com
SCAM Contact                 Ed Gardner     (719) 548-2247
                                            gardner at ssag.enet.dec.com
Other Activities             John Lohmeyer  (719) 573-3362
                                            john.lohmeyer at ftcollinsco.ncr.com

The long-term X3T10 meeting week schedule is:

Date             Location                  Host/Comments
---------------  ------------------------  --------------------------
Mar 14-18, 1994  Newport Beach, CA         Emulex
May 16-20, 1994  Harrisburg, PA            AMP
Jul 18-22, 1994  Manchester, NH            DEC
Sep 12-16, 1994  Houston, TX               Compaq
Nov 7-11,  1994  Southern California       Western Digital

John Lohmeyer presented a foil showing a proposal for future plenary weeks
(May '94 and beyond) that would move the ATA working group to Thursday
morning.  The idea is to make it easier for those interested in ATA to attend
the X3T10 meeting:

                 Proposed Future Meeting Map (after March '94)

Monday             9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   | SCSI CAM Working Group                    |  (25)
                   +=================+=============+===========+
                                     |Gen Edit Sess|              (10)
                                     +=============+

Tuesday            9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +---------------+===============+
                   | SSA-UIG       | X3T10.1       |              (30)
                   +===============+===============+
                   | RAID SG / RAB                 |              (40)
                   +===============================+
                   | IEEE P1394 Plenary            |              (30)
                   +-------------------------------+
                   | P1394 Connector Task Group (?)|              (15)
                   +-------------------------------+

Wednesday          9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===========================================+
                   | SCSI-3 WG                                 |  (45)
                   +===============================+===========+
                   | P1394 Plenary Meeting         |              (30)
                   +-------------------------------+

Thursday           9   10  11  12  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
                   +===============+===========================+
                   | ATA WG        | X3T10 Plenary             |  (40/80)
                   +===============+===========================+
                   | SSP WG (?)    |                              (30)
                   +===============+

Friday         8   9   10  11  12  1   2
                 +=====================+
                 | X3T10 (if needed)   |                          (80)
                 +=====================+
                 | Small Form Factor   |                          (40)
                 +---------------------+

Several variations of the above proposal were also discussed.  A decision on
the meeting schedule is planned for the March plenary meeting.

15.1  Authorization of Working Group Meetings

John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under the
same voting procedures as does X3T10 (that is, one vote per organization) and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee.  This
later requirement is why we have traditionally only used non-binding straw
polls in working group meetings.  Any issue where the voting rules would make
a difference is automatically deferred to the plenary group.

Jeff Stai moved and Ed Gardner seconded that X3T10 authorize the X3T10-
related meetings and events in the list above.  The motion passed
unanimously.

16.   Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 8:00 p.m. on Thursday January 13, 1994.


                       Meeting Attenders -- Enclosure (1)

         Name          S       Organization         Electronic Mail Address
---------------------- - ------------------------- -------------------------
Mr. Alan R. Olson      P 3M Company                usmmm5cd at ibmmail.com
Mr. Norm Harris        P Adaptec, Inc.             nharris at adaptec.com
Mr. David Skinner      P Advanced Micro Devices    David.Skinner at amd.com
Mr. Neil T. Wanamaker  P Amdahl Corp.              ntw20 at amail.amdahl.com
Mr. Jerrie L. Allen    O Amdahl Corp.              Jerrie.Allen at cccmvs.amdah
                                                   l.com
Mr. Charles Brill      P AMP, Inc.                 cbrill at cup.portal.com
Mr. Ken Scherzinger    V Amphenol Spectra Strip
Mr. Gary Porter        A Ancot Corp.               garyp at ancot.com
Mr. Scott Smyers       P Apple Computer            smyers.s at applelink.apple.
                                                   com
Mr. Christian Mollard  O BULL S.A.
Mr. Clifford E. Strang P BusLogic
Jr.
Mr. Gerry Johnsen      P Ciprico Inc.              gerry at cipric.mn.org
Mr. Dennis Lang        P Circuit Assembly Corp.
Mr. Ian Morrell        A Circuit Assembly Corp.
Mr. Dave Weber         A Cirrus Logic Inc.         davew at cirrus.com
Mr. Edward Haske       P CMD Technology
Mr. Bill Galloway      P Compaq Computer Corp.     billg at bangate.compaq.com
Mr. Joseph Wach        A Conner Peripherals        Joe_Wach+aDevelopment+aCo
                                                   lorado%conner at mcimail.com
Mr. Louis Grantham     P Dallas Semiconductor      grantham at dalsemi.com
Mr. Charles Monia      P Digital Equipment Corp.   monia at starch.enet.dec.com
Dr. William Ham        A Digital Equipment Corp.   ham at subsys.enet.dec.com
Mr. Ralph Weber        A Digital Equipment Corp.   weber at star.enet.dec.com
Mr. Douglas Hagerman   A Digital Equipment Corp.   hagerman at starch.enet.dec.
                                                   com
Mr. Edward A. Gardner  A Digital Equipment Corp.   gardner at ssag.enet.dec.com
Mr. Tom Treadway       P Distributed Processing    Treadway at dpt.com
                         Tech.
Mr. I. Dal Allan       P ENDL                      2501752 at mcimail.com
Mr. Kenneth J. Hallam  A ENDL                      khallam at endlas.com
Mr. Edward Lappin      P Exabyte Corp.             tedl at exabyte.com
Mr. Nick Ladas         P Foxconn
Mr. Gary R. Stephens   P FSI Consulting Services   6363897 at mcimail.com
Mr. Robert Liu         P Fujitsu Computer
                         Products,Am
Mr. Kevin R. Pokorney  A Fujitsu Computer          pokorney at intellistor.com
                         Products,Am
Mr. Joel Urban         A Fujitsu
                         Microelectronics/ECD
Mr. Mark Woithe        P Future Domain Corp.       markw at fdc.mhs.compuserve.
                                                   com
Mr. Ray Kallio         P Harbor Electronics
Ms. Sherry L. Johnson  P Harting Electronik, Inc.
Mr. Jeffrey L.         P Hewlett Packard Co.       jlw at hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
Williams
Mr. Paul Boulay        A Hitachi Computer Products p_boulay at hitachi.com
Dr. Sam Karunanithi    P Hitachi Micro Systems,    skarunan at hmsi.hitachi.com
                         Inc.
Mr. Thomas J. Kulesza  A Honda Connectors
Mr. George Penokie     P IBM Corp.                 gop at rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
Mr. John P. Scheible   A IBM Corp.                 Scheible at vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Robert Kembel      O IBM Corp.                 rkembel at vnet.ibm.com
Mr. Varouj             A Interphase Corp.          varouj at iphase.com
Der-Hacopian
Mr. Guy R. Addis       A JAE Electronics
Mr. Dean Wallace       P Linfinity Micro
                       Meeting Attenders -- Enclosure (1)

         Name          S       Organization         Electronic Mail Address
---------------------- - ------------------------- -------------------------
Mr. Robert Bellino     P Madison Cable Corp.
Ms. Donna Pope         P Maxoptix Corp.            6471084 at mcimail.com
Mr. Ron Roberts        P Maxtor Corp.              ron_roberts at maxtor.com
Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers A Maxtor Corp.              larry_lamers at maxtor.com
Mr. Bob Masterson      P Methode Electronics, Inc.
Mr. Joe Dambach        P Molex Inc.
Mr. Robbie Shergill    P National Semiconductor    rss at berlioz.nsc.com
Mr. John Lohmeyer      P NCR Corp.                 john.lohmeyer at ftcollinsco
                                                   .ncr.com
Mr. Charles Binford      NCR Corp.                 Charles.Binford at WichitaKS
                                                   .NCR.COM
Mr. Bruce Anderson     P NEC Technologies Inc.     banderson at nectech.com
Mr. Cliff Carlson      V NRAD                      wcarlson at nosc.mil
Mr. Peter Brown        P Oak Technology, Inc.      brown at oaktech.com
Mr. Earl J. Perera     P P. E. Logic Corp.
Mr. Thomas Steury      P Pacific Electro Data Inc.
Mr. Charles I. Yang    A Panasonic Industrial Co.
Mr. James McGrath      P Quantum Corp.             JMCGRATH at QNTM.COM
Mr. Anuj Garg          A Rancho Technology, Inc.
Mr. Satwinder S.       A Ricoh Corporation         mangat at str.ricoh.com
Mangat
Mr. S. Jauher Zaidi    P Samsung Semiconductor     syed at sam.com
Mr. Gene Milligan      P Seagate Technology        Gene_Milligan at notes.seaga
                                                   te.com
Mr. Gerald Houlder     A Seagate Technology        Gerry_Houlder at notes.seaga
                                                   te.com
Mr. Stephen G. Finch   P Silicon Systems, Inc.     5723283 at mcimail.com
Mr. Mike Yokoyama      P Sony Electronics, Inc.    masayuki at cppc.sel.sony.co
                                                   m
Mr. Erich Oetting      P Storage Technology Corp.  Erich_Oetting at Stortek.com
Mr. Roger Cummings     A Storage Technology Corp.  Roger_Cummings at Stortek.co
                                                   m
Mr. Robert N. Snively  P Sun Microsystems, Inc.    Bob.Snively at sun.com
Mr. John Moy           P Tandem Computers          moy_john at tandem.com
Mr. Bill Boyd          O Texas Instruments
Mr. Harvey Waltersdorf P Thomas & Betts
Mr. Chuck Duquette     P U.S. Design               dennis at usdc.com
Mr. Peter Dougherty    P UNISYS Corporation        peter.dougherty at mv-oc.com
Mr. Paul D. Aloisi     P Unitrode Integrated       Aloisi at uicc.com
                         Circuits
Mr. Jeff Stai          P Western Digital           stai at dt.wdc.com
                         Corporation
Mr. Tak Asami          A Western Digital           asami at dt.wdc.com
                         Corporation
Mr. Devon Worrell      A Western Digital           worrell at dt.wdc.com
                         Corporation
Mr. Doug Piper         P Woven Electronics         WOVEN ELECTRONICS / MCI
                                                   ID: 549-9900

82 People Present

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             A   -  Alternate
             O   -  Observer
             L   -  Liaison
             S,V -  Visitor
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